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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2017 8:45:28 GMT -5
And Chris Sale looks like he'll need to go on 6 days rest half the time to be any good in the post-season. The Sox don't even sniff the playoffs without Sale this year. The rotation wouldn't of gotten you there with a injured Price and Wright. The Yankees would be 5+ games ahead and the Sox would probably be desperate and trade Kopech for Darvish at the deadline. We will see what Sale is made out of in the postseason. Maybe he is waiting to empty the tank for just that time and he's pacing himself at this point in time. His stuff isn't as crisp right now, but maybe he's doing that on purpose, just like he changes speeds throughout the course of a game on purpose. I don't think Sale is struggling on purpose. This has been his historical pattern. I don't know that we see 1st half Sale in October. When his stuff isn't as crisp he gives up the long ball. There is no way the Sox are in 1st place without Sale. No doubt about it. This is a deal that's a huge help for this decade, but by next decade, unless the Sox either re-sign and get more good seasons from Sale at a much higher price or lose him via free agency and hit well on the draft compensation, the Red Sox will be done receiving their value from the deal while the White Sox will should be getting a lot of value into the next decade and both Moncada and Kopech mature. Moncada doesn't appear to be the kind of guy who will reach Altuve levels because unless he cuts his Ks his BA won't get that high, but he should still hit for a respectable enough BA with a lot of Ks and a lot of walks, a lot of deep counts that will grind down pitchers, excellent speed, and I believe the HR will be there. This guy will crank out 30/year in his prime. That's an all-star caliber player and this will be occurring as Pedroia ages and declines. Meanwhile Kopech has established he's just about got the best minor league arm, and if he harnesses his control enough he has ace written all over him, but that's the big if. If the walks are too high, then he's out by the 6th inning and doesn't reach his ceiling. I don't think the walks are Henry Owens like, and if I'm the White Sox I'm optimistic that he can be an ace. At worst he's a definite high leverage reliever. The Sale was a great now and immediate future deal for the Red Sox and a great future deal for the White Sox. Both teams are getting what they want. I just hope that when 2020 becomes the present for the Red Sox, the Red Sox will have enough of a replenished system to be able to fill in some of the gaps as players reach free agency and/or age and decline.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 17, 2017 11:02:53 GMT -5
And Chris Sale looks like he'll need to go on 6 days rest half the time to be any good in the post-season. The Sox don't even sniff the playoffs without Sale this year. The rotation wouldn't of gotten you there with a injured Price and Wright. The Yankees would be 5+ games ahead and the Sox would probably be desperate and trade Kopech for Darvish at the deadline. We will see what Sale is made out of in the postseason. Maybe he is waiting to empty the tank for just that time and he's pacing himself at this point in time. His stuff isn't as crisp right now, but maybe he's doing that on purpose, just like he changes speeds throughout the course of a game on purpose. Every human being on the planet thought we'd win this trade this year. Included in that were many scenarios where Sale means the difference between making and missing the playoffs. The question is how soon you start to regret the trade. Would you trade making the playoffs this year instead of missing them, for missing the playoffs two or three times instead of making them in the future? As recently as a month or two ago, there were a lot of folks on board with the idea that Moncada might end up being a merely good player rather than a superstar. Well, he's the same age as Benintendi and on a per game basis he's crushing him in value. Kopech has become the best SP prospect in MLB. The notion that these two guys may be Cameron Maybin and young Andrew Miller (the two guys DDo traded for Cabrera) seems less likely now. Re Sale, it seems like you didn't look at the thread I started about him. The short version is that he's the best pitcher in MLB through 9 starts / 70 IP, then he starts a steady decline, to the point where he's a #4 starter by the time he hits the post-season, if he goes on regular rest. But it appears as if giving him 6 days returns the bite to his slider and turns him back into a monster, and it seems likely that the extra rest buys you a second very good game as well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 19, 2017 11:38:46 GMT -5
I propose we let this thread finally die, eh? Let's only revive it if the discussion is about the trade itself - there's a Sale thread and a former prospects thread.
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Post by jmei on May 7, 2018 11:45:23 GMT -5
I moved some Dombrowski discussion to a more appropriate thread. This thread should be reserved for discussion of the Sale trade specifically, not Dombrowski generally.
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