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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2016 0:04:24 GMT -5
The thing that gets me, is you go out and get Sale, but then want to stay under the luxury tax. If your going to mortgage our future for Sale, then you should go all in for the next 3 years. Not saying you sign EE, but when we can't even get Beltran and Holliday I wonder what DD is doing. You get Sale in part because he only counted $6.5M against the CBT. I see nothing inconsistent here.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 7, 2016 1:51:55 GMT -5
The thing that gets me, is you go out and get Sale, but then want to stay under the luxury tax. If your going to mortgage our future for Sale, then you should go all in for the next 3 years. Not saying you sign EE, but when we can't even get Beltran and Holliday I wonder what DD is doing. Along with Chris' point, the young guys will become expensive and will also get extensions beginning in 2018. So if they get under this year then they can 'be in' on Otani, Machado, Harper, etc. and keep most of the band together
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Post by redsoxfan2001 on Dec 7, 2016 3:23:53 GMT -5
It's not Mitch Moorland I'm worried about, it's Haley's productivity as a DH.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 7, 2016 7:48:54 GMT -5
It's not Mitch Moorland I'm worried about, it's Haley's productivity as a DH. Why would you be concerned about that? In limited at bats he's always hit better as a DH
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 7, 2016 8:33:12 GMT -5
You know it's a bad signing when your like you couldn't have got Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez? You really need to consider defensive value. Carter and Alvarez are poor defenders, Moreland is a good one. If he's used correctly, and that means strictly as a left-handed platoon option, he's a much better option than either of those stiffs. I'm in agreement that he and Young could be a deadly combo. That's with smart platooning.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 7, 2016 8:53:09 GMT -5
Didn't Moreland win a Gold glove last year? One of the legitimate ones too? With Xander and whoever is playing third I think that's a big plus. Also provided us with the type of lefty bat that can be plugged into the 5/6 hole, or maybe put between Hanley and Xander? not necessarily where JBJ excels.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2016 8:56:14 GMT -5
You know it's a bad signing when your like you couldn't have got Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez? You really need to consider defensive value. Carter and Alvarez are poor defenders, Moreland is a good one. If he's used correctly, and that means strictly as a left-handed platoon option, he's a much better option than either of those stiffs. I'm in agreement that he and Young could be a deadly combo. That's with smart platooning. Carter and Alvarez are better offensive players, but not much better in terms of overall value (assuming they play a lot of 1B). Steamer projections per 600 PAs: Moreland: 0.8 Carter: 0.7 Alvarez: 1.3
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 7, 2016 9:04:21 GMT -5
You know it's a bad signing when your like you couldn't have got Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez? You really need to consider defensive value. Carter and Alvarez are poor defenders, Moreland is a good one. If he's used correctly, and that means strictly as a left-handed platoon option, he's a much better option than either of those stiffs. I'm in agreement that he and Young could be a deadly combo. That's with smart platooning. Unfortunately, John Farrell is still the manager of this team.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 7, 2016 9:16:19 GMT -5
If we stay under the cap, next off-season could be a blockbuster free agent year. I'm not sure though how that affects Otani, specifically. It doesn't affect Otani one bit because the new CBA has ensured that he won't be joining MLB next off-season.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 7, 2016 9:16:47 GMT -5
You really need to consider defensive value. Carter and Alvarez are poor defenders, Moreland is a good one. If he's used correctly, and that means strictly as a left-handed platoon option, he's a much better option than either of those stiffs. I'm in agreement that he and Young could be a deadly combo. That's with smart platooning. Carter and Alvarez are better offensive players, but not much better in terms of overall value (assuming they play a lot of 1B). Steamer projections per 600 PAs: Moreland: 0.8 Carter: 0.7 Alvarez: 1.3 Alvarez gives some positional flexibility too though. It's tough to dignify giving Moreland 450+ plate appearances, and it's also tough to carry a backup defensive first baseman with a four-man bench.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2016 10:00:36 GMT -5
Alvarez's defense at 3B is so bad that it's hard to see him as anything more than an emergency option there. Hell, his defense at 1B is pretty bad, and Steamer is giving him more defensive value than he really deserves.
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Post by sarcasmo on Dec 7, 2016 10:15:59 GMT -5
The last time the Sox acquired a former Gold Glove winning 1B it worked out pretty well. ;-p
Moreland isn't perfect, but if used correctly his a solid addition for a relatively cheap price. He's LH, has some pop (despite contact issues), uses all fields, and plays GG level defense at 1B.
This isn't an end-game signing. There's more to do. For that I say solid pickup.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 10:43:08 GMT -5
The thing that gets me, is you go out and get Sale, but then want to stay under the luxury tax. If your going to mortgage our future for Sale, then you should go all in for the next 3 years. Not saying you sign EE, but when we can't even get Beltran and Holliday I wonder what DD is doing. You get Sale in part because he only counted $6.5M against the CBT. I see nothing inconsistent here. Sure he's cheap, which is great. I just fear that in season we'll need another hitter and DD will trade more prospects because they are worried about saving money right now.
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Post by sarcasmo on Dec 7, 2016 10:48:45 GMT -5
Who said we are done signing bats? It's December 7.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 10:52:52 GMT -5
You know it's a bad signing when your like you couldn't have got Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez? You really need to consider defensive value. Carter and Alvarez are poor defenders, Moreland is a good one. If he's used correctly, and that means strictly as a left-handed platoon option, he's a much better option than either of those stiffs. I'm in agreement that he and Young could be a deadly combo. That's with smart platooning. I get that, it's the only thing he has going for him. His D is only going to be a huge upgrade if he plays a ton of games and at that point his bat is going to neutralize the value of his D in my opinion. Would have rather went with Alvarez big bat at DH, splitting time with Young. I'm worried about hitting now that we traded Shaw and don't have insurance at 3B. I would have went out and got the best bat I could for a 1 year small money deal and Moreland isn't that guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 10:57:50 GMT -5
Who said we are done signing bats? It's December 7. DD wanting to stay under tax limit and the amount of roster spaces we have. The guys with big bats that were cheap were 1B/DH guys, your not signing another one of those guys now.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2016 11:40:15 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2016 12:06:43 GMT -5
If Moreland could play above average D at 3B I would really like the signing, but he's going to play 1B and DH.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2016 12:13:16 GMT -5
It sounds like they're sold on Sandoval at 3B, and if that's the case, Shaw was going to play a lot of 1B anyways. I don't mean to downplay Shaw's defensive flexibility (which would have been hugely valuable), but just wanted to flag that Moreland is not exactly useless at the plate.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 7, 2016 13:08:03 GMT -5
The last time the Sox acquired a former Gold Glove winning 1B it worked out pretty well. ;-p Moreland isn't perfect, but if used correctly his a solid addition for a relatively cheap price. He's LH, has some pop (despite contact issues), uses all fields, and plays GG level defense at 1B. This isn't an end-game signing. There's more to do. For that I say solid pickup. If you're talking about Adrian Gonzalez, you may want to take another look at how that story ended.
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Post by sarcasmo on Dec 7, 2016 13:55:21 GMT -5
The last time the Sox acquired a former Gold Glove winning 1B it worked out pretty well. ;-p Moreland isn't perfect, but if used correctly his a solid addition for a relatively cheap price. He's LH, has some pop (despite contact issues), uses all fields, and plays GG level defense at 1B. This isn't an end-game signing. There's more to do. For that I say solid pickup. If you're talking about Adrian Gonzalez, you may want to take another look at how that story ended. Lol. Damn. I forgot about him. I was referring to Mientkiewicz.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 7, 2016 16:42:33 GMT -5
Should of kept Shaw. Signing Moreland for $5.5m to replace Shaw and acquire Thornburg is a bad move.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2016 17:04:23 GMT -5
Should of kept Shaw. Signing Moreland for $5.5m to replace Shaw and acquire Thornburg is a bad move. Moreland was arguably the league's biggest BABIP underachiever and Thornburg is a good 7/8th inning guy. We needed a high leverage reliever and Shaw was god awful after April last year. Can't make everyone happy, but the hole we opened with Shaw leaving is much smaller than the hole we filled in the pen IMO. I'm more bummed to see Dubon leave than Shaw to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:27:06 GMT -5
Should of kept Shaw. Signing Moreland for $5.5m to replace Shaw and acquire Thornburg is a bad move. I actually think the Moreland signing was a sneaky good signing. Any time you remove the weakest defensive player on the field (Hanley) and replace him with a gold glover, that's a good thing. He also hits righties pretty well. If he's used correctly, I think he could hit around .260ish with 18-20 home runs while playing a gold glove 1B. I'm fairly optimistic that he will outperform his $5.5 million salary.
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Dec 7, 2016 21:39:45 GMT -5
Brian Daubach-like offense with gold glove defense, on this team. I like it. I hope he his not as streaky as Dauber was.
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