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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 11, 2017 10:20:30 GMT -5
Reported as $5M. Bit above where I've heard the Sox were willing to go.
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2017 11:25:04 GMT -5
He also has a better shot at playing time with the As than he would have had in Boston.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 11, 2017 19:57:03 GMT -5
To me, it appears that baseball parity is going to be taking a major hit. The Sox, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Cubs and Dodgers all look like potential runaway division winners.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 11, 2017 22:08:40 GMT -5
Mariners have been really busy this past week. I think they've made 4 trades in the past week. Totaling 7 total trades the whole offseason. That's crazy. Talk about transforming a roster. Jerry Dipoto is claiming his stamp on the Mariners.
I got to say too, if I had to pick between Smyly and Walker, I would take the dependability of Smyly. Good on Dipoto.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 11, 2017 22:34:25 GMT -5
Mariners have been really busy this past week. I think they've made 4 trades in the past week. Totaling 7 total trades the whole offseason. That's crazy. Talk about transforming a roster. Jerry Dipoto is claiming his stamp on the Mariners. I got to say too, if I had to pick between Smyly and Walker, I would take the dependability of Smyly. Good on Dipoto. Eh, Smyly was awful in '15 and just pretty bad in '16. I wouldn't call him dependable. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11760&position=PWalker's a lot younger and has more upside, even with the flyball/HR issues. I'd take Walker over Smyly, but obviously DiPoto sees something he likes there.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 11, 2017 22:39:01 GMT -5
To me, it appears that baseball parity is going to be taking a major hit. The Sox, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Cubs and Dodgers all look like potential runaway division winners. I'm trying to think of (pseudo?) sleepers, and outside of the Giants, maybe Tigers (if several things break right, including Fullmer doing a full year of his first half), maybe Rangers if Darvish is back to form, and Mets (finding some offense somewhere), I think you're right.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 11, 2017 23:37:02 GMT -5
To me, it appears that baseball parity is going to be taking a major hit. The Sox, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Cubs and Dodgers all look like potential runaway division winners. I'm trying to think of (pseudo?) sleepers, and outside of the Giants, maybe Tigers (if several things break right, including Fullmer doing a full year of his first half), maybe Rangers if Darvish is back to form, and Mets (finding some offense somewhere), I think you're right. This could hypothetically be the deadest trade deadline in a lot of years.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 12, 2017 4:45:15 GMT -5
Mariners have been really busy this past week. I think they've made 4 trades in the past week. Totaling 7 total trades the whole offseason. That's crazy. Talk about transforming a roster. Jerry Dipoto is claiming his stamp on the Mariners. I got to say too, if I had to pick between Smyly and Walker, I would take the dependability of Smyly. Good on Dipoto. Eh, Smyly was awful in '15 and just pretty bad in '16. I wouldn't call him dependable. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11760&position=PWalker's a lot younger and has more upside, even with the flyball/HR issues. I'd take Walker over Smyly, but obviously DiPoto sees something he likes there. Well I was talking about in terms of innings but looking back at Smyly, he also has a injury history too I guess. I thought he had been more durable but I guess I thought wrong. Smyly did go 175 innings this past year but Walker pitched 170 the year before. So I guess neither one of them in dependable. Didn't know why I thought Smyly was and Walker wasn't. Just seems like Walker is always on the DL for something for a month or two. You're right though, Walker has mid rotation upside while Smyly surely seems like back end rotation upside at most.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 12, 2017 9:48:01 GMT -5
Geez, I had to look up the Smyly trade because I thought the Mariners traded Walker for him from how you were talking.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 12, 2017 12:32:39 GMT -5
To me, it appears that baseball parity is going to be taking a major hit. The Sox, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Cubs and Dodgers all look like potential runaway division winners. At least we're not the NBA.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 12, 2017 14:58:31 GMT -5
Geez, I had to look up the Smyly trade because I thought the Mariners traded Walker for him from how you were talking. The Mariners had targeted Smyly all winter, so yes I think trading Walker was always a plan of the Mariners and acquiring Smyly was also in the plans. The Mariners like Smyly over Walker or they would have found another way to acquire a short stop type.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 12, 2017 21:47:01 GMT -5
To me, it appears that baseball parity is going to be taking a major hit. The Sox, Indians, Astros, Nationals, Cubs and Dodgers all look like potential runaway division winners. Seems more like a one year fluke than a real erosion of parity though. With maybe the exception of the Dodgers, none of those teams are (presumably) running away with their divisions because of some incredible structural advantage they have over everyone else.
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Post by rookie13 on Jan 13, 2017 18:08:27 GMT -5
Am I the only one surprised by the Wil Myers extension? Not that he got extended, but that it was for 6/80MM. I know he's had plenty of injuries, but I feel like he'll be worth a lot more than 80MM over the next 6 years.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 14, 2017 3:54:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one surprised by the Wil Myers extension? Not that he got extended, but that it was for 6/80MM. I know he's had plenty of injuries, but I feel like he'll be worth a lot more than 80MM over the next 6 years. Zips recommended 94 mil for a 6 year extension. So certainly a discount with a 16.7 mil / year open market estimate. He's been worth about that per year so far and if his baserunning/defense from 2016 hold up, it could be a nice deal for the Padres.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 14, 2017 8:31:08 GMT -5
I just have no idea why Will Myers would even take less money to stay in San Diego. Maybe the nice weather? I don't know, I don't see any appeal to stick around for a rebuild. Maybe winning isn't all that important to Will.
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Post by gerry on Jan 14, 2017 11:45:14 GMT -5
I just have no idea why Will Myers would even take less money to stay in San Diego. Maybe the nice weather? I don't know, I don't see any appeal to stick around for a rebuild. Maybe winning isn't all that important to Will. In the first place 6 years is a long time, enough for a young family to put down substantial roots in one of the best towns in the country. He can build a wonderful life there, for himself and especially for his family. Especially with $13M guaranteed income for those 6 years, and being a local face of franchise. Above average schools, universities, medical (Scripps), sailing, fishing, surfing, golf, locally grown organic veggies and fruits, fresh fish and meats, plenty of good restaurants and night life right around downtown's Petco with the Gaslamp District, Little Italy, marinas, waterfront. A short drive brings you to nearly 100 wineries, great beaches, apple, avocado, citrus and olive groves and horse country, and the weather is almost always in the 70's. Don't like nice weather? Snow and skiing on several mountains a few hours away. San Diego is pretty special. Baseball? With the Chargers and Clippers gone to L.A., it's literally the only game in town and fans throughout SD county and into the Inland Empire and Mexico love the Padres and their downtown ballpark, and Don Orsillo.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 14, 2017 19:21:03 GMT -5
In the first place 6 years is a long time, enough for a young family to put down substantial roots in one of the best towns in the country. He can build a wonderful life there, for himself and especially for his family. Especially with $13M guaranteed income for those 6 years, and being a local face of franchise. Above average schools, universities, medical (Scripps), sailing, fishing, surfing, golf, locally grown organic veggies and fruits, fresh fish and meats, plenty of good restaurants and night life right around downtown's Petco with the Gaslamp District, Little Italy, marinas, waterfront. A short drive brings you to nearly 100 wineries, great beaches, apple, avocado, citrus and olive groves and horse country, and the weather is almost always in the 70's. Don't like nice weather? Snow and skiing on several mountains a few hours away. San Diego is pretty special. Baseball? With the Chargers and Clippers gone to L.A., it's literally the only game in town and fans throughout SD county and into the Inland Empire and Mexico love the Padres and their downtown ballpark, and Don Orsillo. Your post reads like Bob Barker introducing the first prize on the Showcase Showdown. Very smooth.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 15, 2017 1:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Jan 15, 2017 4:01:55 GMT -5
But those dark waters exist in every community, from baseball towns to small towns to churches to university and medical communities. I moved from Boston in part to escape its racism and bias which thrived at every level, Irish to Italian to Portuguese to Asian to Jew to Hispanic to Black; Catholic to Protestant to Hindu; Yankee to immigrant, Ivy League to Boston College to Bridgewater State. It was a mess, dominated by good Ole boys from each group. When my career took me to several states around this nation, I learned that the same systems exist everywhere. San Diego is no different and.no better or worse in this regard. There is so much wrong everywhere that while we have to fight it constantly, we also need to live and thrive in the best place we can find, for ourselves and our families. . That said, San Diego is one of those places that if I were fortunate enough to be a young ballplayer offered a king's ransom to live and work and play and settle down in San Diego, warts and all, I would happily do so.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 15, 2017 11:58:45 GMT -5
But those dark waters exist in every community, from baseball towns to small towns to churches to university and medical communities. I moved from Boston in part to escape its racism and bias which thrived at every level, Irish to Italian to Portuguese to Asian to Jew to Hispanic to Black; Catholic to Protestant to Hindu; Yankee to immigrant, Ivy League to Boston College to Bridgewater State. It was a mess, dominated by good Ole boys from each group. When my career took me to several states around this nation, I learned that the same systems exist everywhere. San Diego is no different and.no better or worse in this regard. There is so much wrong everywhere that while we have to fight it constantly, we also need to live and thrive in the best place we can find, for ourselves and our families. . That said, San Diego is one of those places that if I were fortunate enough to be a young ballplayer offered a king's ransom to live and work and play and settle down in San Diego, warts and all, I would happily do so. Yeah San Diego is a beautiful city. If I wasn't from here, I would want to live there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 15, 2017 12:19:46 GMT -5
Maybe Wil Myers is loyal and a team first guy who values winning a lot but wants to do it with his team. Help build something and be one of the main guys why. Who the hell knows?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 15, 2017 12:30:43 GMT -5
Maybe he's had one good season and $80m sounded pretty good to him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 15, 2017 12:43:02 GMT -5
Maybe he's had one good season and $80m sounded pretty good to him. And half of that value was his freakishly good baserunning season. I never saw a player with 5, 6 and 5 stolen bases in 3 seasons get 28 the 4th season. A 1B with a 115 wRC+ isn't that great.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 15, 2017 14:00:01 GMT -5
Maybe he's had one good season and $80m sounded pretty good to him. And half of that value was his freakishly good baserunning season. I never saw a player with 5, 6 and 5 stolen bases in 3 seasons get 28 the 4th season. A 1B with a 115 wRC+ isn't that great. It's not so jarring when you look at his times on base number: 132, 106, 85, 227. He's probably never stealing 28 bases again, but 10-15 on top of being a generally good base runner will sustain that value. If you take out his 2015 season, he's been worth in the neighborhood of 3.5 WAR per 650 PA pretty consistently. 6/$80 for three arb eligible years and the first three FA years feels about right. Best case scenario for the Padres is he chips away a bit at the strikeouts and add about 20 points to his OBP. It's hard to think of a case of buying high and selling low than the Rays pulled on Myers. They traded still-good James Shields and Wade Davis for him, then flipped him and Ryan Hanigan two years later for Steven Souza.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 15, 2017 23:54:41 GMT -5
The Jays are about to resign Jose Bautista. Well that possibility was fun to talk about while it lasted.
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