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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 10, 2017 6:10:36 GMT -5
Logan Ryan to the Titans. 3 years at 30 million.
Good luck Logan. You were never seeing that money in New England.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 7:48:07 GMT -5
I know it seems unlikely as it looks as though the Butler is headed to NO, but a Butler Gilmore tandem at CB would be very very good. After the season that Tom and this set of WR's had I still just don't get the push for Cook, especially if it costs Butler. Love the fact Branch is coming back and Harmon for that matter. This has already been an eventful FA period. Does it look likely tho? Name me one trade the Patriots have made that was talked about or publicized beforehand? I can't think of any.... Butlers agent also finally came out and said he's not looking for the moon and we haven't had talks about a contract since last year to quiet the rumors... That being said - IF they cannot sign longterm and they think Cooks is a legit number 1 then having him for at least 2 years cheaply makes a lot of sense, but I do prefer they keep Butler and run out that backfield. CB1: Butler CB2: Gilmore CB3: Rowe S1: McCourty S2: Chung S3: Harmon Yes please that's a versatile and strong backfield. Looks like a lot more press coverage is coming next year which makes sense considering the teams they need to play. I also don't buy the notion they lack a corner who can play in the slot. I'm still hopefully both Butler and Hightower get long term deals. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 10, 2017 7:49:48 GMT -5
I could see this possibly happening: Someone offers Butler a contract the Pats won't match and the Pats get a 1st round pick. Then Cleveland offers their 1st overall pick and a 2nd this year and next for Jimmy G. I don't think the Pats could refuse that. So, Cleveland still has a 1st round pick and a ton of other picks to build their team. And, Pats end up with 3 firsts and 2 seconds.
Then Pats use 2 of the 1st round picks for a DE and TE and trade they other 1st round for a next year 1st round and a 2nd this year. And on and on. It would be like Christmas x 10 for Bill.
Dream a little dream with me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 7:51:18 GMT -5
I so wish I knew the Patriots true thinking on Jimmy Garoppolo... Schefter is doubling down. He said last night he got a text from a Patriots employee that said "do the Browns not know we aren't trading Jimmy?"
I know most of you doubt that's true, but assuming it is true for a minute, I seriously doubt they wouldn't take the 12th pick plus for him just for one year of protection. I'm not sure how they keep him past this year but it sure looks like they want to if he's not traded.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 7:57:28 GMT -5
I could see this possibly happening: Someone offers Butler a contract the Pats won't match and the Pats get a 1st round pick. Then Cleveland offers their 1st overall pick and a 2nd this year and next for Jimmy G. I don't think the Pats could refuse that. So, Cleveland still has a 1st round pick and a ton of other picks to build their team. And, Pats end up with 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Then Pats use 2 of the 1st round picks for a DE and TE and trade they other 1st round for a next year 1st round and a 2nd this year. And on and on. It would be like Christmas x 10 for Bill. Dream a little dream with me. The trading a current year first for a current year second plus a next year first doesn't work anymore. At least it's a lot harder than it used to be. Also, if a team signs Butler for 12m a year I bet the Patriots match instead of taking the first. I actually feel like the Patriots are taking care of other business first then will go back the Butler. It doesn't make sense for Bill to do it now, all they lose is flexibility if that happens. Flexibility to trade him, flexibility to not actually extend him now should something else fall into their lap, etc. Paying Gilmore 13 and him 12 is very doable under he cap, especially when you consider they spend a lot less at other positions than other teams. They don't pay big at WR, OL, Running back or DL. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 11:02:38 GMT -5
But what is the rest of the contract? The report I saw just said he's going to receive 16m next year. Could be a 3 year 30m deal with 16m paid out in year 1 when they have a ton of cap room. It's not the same as getting 16m per year. Reports don't have full contract details yet. Never said it was per year. It really doesn't matter because I see him as a 2 year 16 million or 3 years 24 million type player. Marshall just got 2 years 12 million. Its almost unheard of to pay over 50% of contract in year one, so I would guess it's a lot more than 3 years and 30 million. This contract actually turned out to be a very reasonable one. 5/47.5 w/ 17 guaranteed. He was the 8th rated receiver per PFF last year. Is he a top 10 receiver? No but he's a very good one and he's averaging 9.5m per year. That's pretty good for the team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2017 13:21:16 GMT -5
Reports don't have full contract details yet. Never said it was per year. It really doesn't matter because I see him as a 2 year 16 million or 3 years 24 million type player. Marshall just got 2 years 12 million. Its almost unheard of to pay over 50% of contract in year one, so I would guess it's a lot more than 3 years and 30 million. This contract actually turned out to be a very reasonable one. 5/47.5 w/ 17 guaranteed. He was the 8th rated receiver per PFF last year. Is he a top 10 receiver? No but he's a very good one and he's averaging 9.5m per year. That's pretty good for the team. Per ESPN he is getting 20 million guaranteed and they gave the signing a grade of C+. He's a #2 WR that will be 31 next year, it's not a good deal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 13:22:19 GMT -5
Pro football focus gives it an A so there's a difference of opinion.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2017 13:47:06 GMT -5
I know it seems unlikely as it looks as though the Butler is headed to NO, but a Butler Gilmore tandem at CB would be very very good. After the season that Tom and this set of WR's had I still just don't get the push for Cook, especially if it costs Butler. Love the fact Branch is coming back and Harmon for that matter. This has already been an eventful FA period. Does it look likely tho? Name me one trade the Patriots have made that was talked about or publicized beforehand? I can't think of any.... Butlers agent also finally came out and said he's not looking for the moon and we haven't had talks about a contract since last year to quiet the rumors... That being said - IF they cannot sign longterm and they think Cooks is a legit number 1 then having him for at least 2 years cheaply makes a lot of sense, but I do prefer they keep Butler and run out that backfield. CB1: Butler CB2: Gilmore CB3: Rowe S1: McCourty S2: Chung S3: Harmon Yes please that's a versatile and strong backfield. Looks like a lot more press coverage is coming next year which makes sense considering the teams they need to play. I also don't buy the notion they lack a corner who can play in the slot. I'm still hopefully both Butler and Hightower get long term deals. The fact the Patriots haven't talked contract with Butler for a year is very telling, isn't it? If you wanted to sign him you would be talking. It's not a given, but this is really starting to look like Jones and Collins 2.0. If they don't sign him, they will trade him. While they have the money, just look at the numbers. Are they really going to spend 25% of cap on DBs? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2017 13:49:27 GMT -5
Pro football focus gives it an A so there's a difference of opinion. They are a rebuilding team, he's a 31 year old WR being paid top of the market money for a #2 WR. If you give that an A you need your head looked at. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2017 15:58:25 GMT -5
Pats get Kony Ealy and Carolina's 3rd rounder in exchange for their 2nd rounder (a swap of 8 spots).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 16:01:47 GMT -5
Pro football focus gives it an A so there's a difference of opinion. They are a rebuilding team, he's a 31 year old WR being paid top of the market money for a #2 WR. If you give that an A you need your head looked at. Under 10m a year isn't top of the market money and I don't know if it's fair to characterize him as a number 2... he's not an elite 1 but he's better than you are giving him credit for. Anyways, I wasn't defending the Niners signing him but the contract for him isn't bad. How good it is depends on what the money to the team is in years 3-5... if the Niners should sign him in another conversation |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2017 16:03:07 GMT -5
Pryor just signed with Washington. 1yr/8mn
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 16:04:02 GMT -5
Does it look likely tho? Name me one trade the Patriots have made that was talked about or publicized beforehand? I can't think of any.... Butlers agent also finally came out and said he's not looking for the moon and we haven't had talks about a contract since last year to quiet the rumors... That being said - IF they cannot sign longterm and they think Cooks is a legit number 1 then having him for at least 2 years cheaply makes a lot of sense, but I do prefer they keep Butler and run out that backfield. CB1: Butler CB2: Gilmore CB3: Rowe S1: McCourty S2: Chung S3: Harmon Yes please that's a versatile and strong backfield. Looks like a lot more press coverage is coming next year which makes sense considering the teams they need to play. I also don't buy the notion they lack a corner who can play in the slot. I'm still hopefully both Butler and Hightower get long term deals. The fact the Patriots haven't talked contract with Butler for a year is very telling, isn't it? If you wanted to sign him you would be talking. It's not a given, but this is really starting to look like Jones and Collins 2.0. If they don't sign him, they will trade him. While they have the money, just look at the numbers. Are they really going to spend 25% of cap on DBs? If that report is accurate then sure it is. Who's to say that's accurate? By the way, Collins wasn't traded because of his contract. They were clearly prepared to let him play out the year. It was his play and attitude that ultimate ran him out of town. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 16:04:24 GMT -5
Pryor just signed with Washington. 1yr/8mn Wow cheap |
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Post by ramireja on Mar 10, 2017 16:36:30 GMT -5
Pats get Kony Ealy and Carolina's 3rd rounder in exchange for their 2nd rounder (a swap of 8 spots). Thievery |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2017 16:42:10 GMT -5
Pryor is actually 6 plus 2 in incentives, I guess.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2017 17:02:34 GMT -5
They are a rebuilding team, he's a 31 year old WR being paid top of the market money for a #2 WR. If you give that an A you need your head looked at. Under 10m a year isn't top of the market money and I don't know if it's fair to characterize him as a number 2... he's not an elite 1 but he's better than you are giving him credit for. Anyways, I wasn't defending the Niners signing him but the contract for him isn't bad. How good it is depends on what the money to the team is in years 3-5... if the Niners should sign him in another conversation For a #2 WR it is top of market money. It's the biggest deal for a WR this offseason. He's going to make more than Jeffrey next year. I just don't see how he's a #1 receiver, doesn't mean he isn't good, he's just a #2. When you grade a deal it has to be about the contract and team fit. A team that was a contender next year, that deal wouldn't be horrible. It's the fact he's 31 to start next year and that team is like 3 years away from doing anything. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2017 17:07:32 GMT -5
The fact the Patriots haven't talked contract with Butler for a year is very telling, isn't it? If you wanted to sign him you would be talking. It's not a given, but this is really starting to look like Jones and Collins 2.0. If they don't sign him, they will trade him. While they have the money, just look at the numbers. Are they really going to spend 25% of cap on DBs? If that report is accurate then sure it is. Who's to say that's accurate? By the way, Collins wasn't traded because of his contract. They were clearly prepared to let him play out the year. It was his play and attitude that ultimate ran him out of town. His agent made a statement, I don't think it's wrong. Why would you question what his agent said? I just don't see why his agent would lie about last time him and team had contract talks. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2017 17:15:34 GMT -5
Love this Kony Ealy trade!! Once again BB moves back a few spots in the draft and picks up a guy who will be able to contribute more than a rookie would. Just like Allen. He could be very good in the right system if he is willing to work.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 17:27:41 GMT -5
If that report is accurate then sure it is. Who's to say that's accurate? By the way, Collins wasn't traded because of his contract. They were clearly prepared to let him play out the year. It was his play and attitude that ultimate ran him out of town. His agent made a statement, I don't think it's wrong. Why would you question what his agent said? I just don't see why his agent would lie about last time him and team had contract talks. Agents lie it's not out of realm of imagination that he could have been saying that to protect his clients rep. Which actually is why he even made the statement to begin with. They also said they had "brief" conversation a few days prior. So now we get into the semantics of what constitutes contract discussions or negotiations. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 19:41:39 GMT -5
TRADE! The Patriots have traded their #32 & 3rd #103 pick to the Saints for wide receiver Brandin Cooks & their 4th #118 pick per sources
7:37 PM · Mar 10, 2017
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 19:41:53 GMT -5
Get to keep butler
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2017 19:43:25 GMT -5
Now we don't have a pick until the 3rd round
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Post by rookie13 on Mar 10, 2017 19:46:32 GMT -5
Well, it seems more likely that Butler stays now. This has to mean the Pats are confident in receiving a strong offer for Garropolo, right?
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