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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 14, 2017 5:56:50 GMT -5
The twins have always wanted to play together and it would be a classic BB move. He probably knew this was a possibility all along and has been waiting in the bushes. Gives them the flexibility to trade Butler now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2017 11:42:49 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if Butler wants to play this year on the tender so he can get an unrestricted offer next year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 14, 2017 11:54:01 GMT -5
Why would we be surprised?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2017 11:55:56 GMT -5
Some people are talking like the Pats can easily sign McCourty then trade Butler but that's not really true unless they are just willing to dump him for a low pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 14, 2017 12:01:46 GMT -5
Well I think they could most likely get the Saints 2nd round pick if they wanted it. I don't think it happens though. I would bring in McCourty on a one year prove it deal and let him compete. Butler, Gilmore, Rowe and McCourty could be the best CB group in the league!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2017 12:03:24 GMT -5
Oh I agree, I'd signed McCourty and keep Butler.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 15, 2017 7:50:33 GMT -5
Players want to play. I'm not so sure a starting level player wants to come to a team that he will not get enough snaps. I understand wanting to build a solid roster of good players but good players want to play.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2017 8:16:46 GMT -5
Players want to play. I'm not so sure a starting level player wants to come to a team that he will not get enough snaps. I understand wanting to build a solid roster of good players but good players want to play. This is a valid point but a few things to balance that a bit: 1. He's a competitor so he thinks he's better than other corners and he knows the best guys play here and salary doesn't matter. 2. Even if he was "only" the third corner, that's basically full time snaps in today's NFL and the fact that he's one of the best tackling corners may actually have him on the field over a guy like Gilmore on running downs. 3. So combining 1 and 2, if the Pats had Butler, Gilmore and McCourty then there probably wouldn't be a traditional top 2 cornerback random; situation and matchups would dictate. On true passing downs McCourty could be the third guy whereas on clear running downs he may be the top guy... 4. Rowe - I like him a lot more than others it seems; I think he's good and got better with the coaching here, but I don't think McCourty would look at him as a road block. I think there is plenty of room for 3 starting corners in this defense to get plenty of run. Beyond that you have: 1. He wants to play with his brother 2. He wants to win and play for a Super Bowl. So my conclusion is...it's going to come down to money more than opportunity. He's probably not ready to take short money as a vet trying to win something... but he could take a smaller one year deal here to be like a poor mans Revis. Try and win a Title, rebuild his value a bit by being healthy and in a scheme that uses his strengths then hit free agency again. With the Butler situation that may lead to a deal back here. The second only happens if he money around the league isn't to his liking. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 15, 2017 11:27:53 GMT -5
That to go along with McCourty really wants to play with brother and has never been to the playoffs in 8 years. I really like Rowe but he also played safety in College if I remember right. So you could move them around and get them playing time based on match-up.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 15, 2017 12:49:45 GMT -5
All true!!
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2017 12:40:44 GMT -5
RapSheet reporting that Pats have signed Gillislee to an offer sheet (2 yrs, 6.4Mn with 4 of it in 1st year). Pats would have to give up 5th if not matched.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2017 12:55:09 GMT -5
And Field Yates reporting that Amendola, as most predicted, has agreed to restructure. No word on savings yet.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 13:22:33 GMT -5
RapSheet reporting that Pats have signed Gillislee to an offer sheet (2 yrs, 6.4Mn with 4 of it in 1st year). Pats would have to give up 5th if not matched. Early word is Bills won't match but we will see. I like it. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2017 13:31:05 GMT -5
Many are talking that way (and blasting Buffalo for only giving the low tender). Buffalo has $10Mn in space, btw.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 14:00:52 GMT -5
I bet his 4m salary in year one is guaranteed to mess with the Bills cap
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2017 14:07:39 GMT -5
Not a bad signing, but if you really wanted him why not go a few million higher? They can probably match if they wanted to. I wonder if this means no RB in draft now. I really liked Foreman and Conners.
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Post by digit on Apr 18, 2017 15:13:46 GMT -5
I bet his 4m salary in year one is guaranteed to mess with the Bills cap I really like this move - go figure, the Patriots picked up the running back ranked #1 in Football Outsiders’ DVOA rankings (admittedly, they were measuring by rate, not overall). Burkhead ranked #2. Doubt it matters which one is in the game, they all are fairly versatile players.
The Patriots doubled up on this position in free agency, so probably we can now assume they won't be looking at a RB.
The Buffalo GM gambled and lost his gamble, apparently - he tried to save about 900,000 and now if he wants to match it, he has to pay about 2 million more than if he'd offered a second round tender.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2017 15:29:25 GMT -5
Well his tender is like 1.8 million, so if that's 900,000 less than a second round tender it will cost them an extra 1.3 million.
I just have this feeling they are going to match. How many Bills players can you let leave and go to the team you need to beat. It's not sending a great message to there fans. For the Pat's it's a win win situation. You get a player you like or you make the Bills spend an extra 2.2 million.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 15:30:04 GMT -5
Not a bad signing, but if you really wanted him why not go a few million higher? They can probably match if they wanted to. I wonder if this means no RB in draft now. I really liked Foreman and Conners. Because you don't "over-pay" a guy. They want him at this price just like they want most players at a certain price. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 15:30:39 GMT -5
Well his tender is like 1.8 million, so if that's 900,000 less than a second round tender it will cost them an extra 1.3 million. I just have this feeling they are going to match. How many Bills players can you let leave and go to the team you need to beat. It's not sending a great message to there fans. For the Pat's it's a win win situation. You get a player you like or you make the Bills spend an extra 2.2 million. Yup exactly and they may match. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2017 15:37:33 GMT -5
Not a bad signing, but if you really wanted him why not go a few million higher? They can probably match if they wanted to. I wonder if this means no RB in draft now. I really liked Foreman and Conners. Because you don't "over-pay" a guy. They want him at this price just like they want most players at a certain price. Well that's what they did with Hogan last year. They paid him 6 or 7 million in year one, making it almost impossible for Bills to match. He made more than Edleman last year, for me that was a overpay to make sure you got a player they really wanted. This feels more like Sanders with Steelers years back. We want him, but only at a very good price. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 15:43:06 GMT -5
Because you don't "over-pay" a guy. They want him at this price just like they want most players at a certain price. Well that's what they did with Hogan last year. They paid him 6 or 7 million in year one, making it almost impossible for Bills to match. He made more than Edleman last year, for me that was a overpay to make sure you got a player they really wanted. This feels more like Sanders with Steelers years back. We want him, but only at a very good price. Well in that context fine but isn't that what they reportedly did by giving him 4m in year 1? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 15:47:23 GMT -5
Butler reportedly signed his tender
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Post by rookie13 on Apr 18, 2017 15:52:26 GMT -5
And the perfect off-season continues.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2017 15:53:05 GMT -5
With Hogan they paid him almost 4 times his tender amount in year one. At 4 million your just over twice his tender amount. Nevermind I think Gillislee was a bigger part of there offense last year than Hogan was the year before.
I hope it works out like Hogan and not Sanders.
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