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Post by digit on Apr 18, 2017 15:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2017 18:05:26 GMT -5
Busy day as Pats sign James White to 3 year extension.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 18:05:57 GMT -5
Love that
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 18:08:32 GMT -5
I can't wait for the numbers - I've been hoping for this.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 18, 2017 18:36:17 GMT -5
Kevin Duffy wonders (not a rumor) if NE would include Lewis to get more in a Butler trade.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 18:49:17 GMT -5
Kevin Duffy wonders (not a rumor) if NE would include Lewis to get more in a Butler trade. Nah they are undefeated in games Lewis plays so naturally they are going to just let him play a few plays a game so they can protect him and win... Kidding of course... they would certainly include him for the right price. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 18, 2017 18:50:31 GMT -5
Any guesses as to the numbers for White? I'll go with 3/10
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2017 19:46:37 GMT -5
I would say 3 years 12 million.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 19, 2017 1:09:03 GMT -5
Players want to play. I'm not so sure a starting level player wants to come to a team that he will not get enough snaps. I understand wanting to build a solid roster of good players but good players want to play. This is a valid point but a few things to balance that a bit: 1. He's a competitor so he thinks he's better than other corners and he knows the best guys play here and salary doesn't matter. 2. Even if he was "only" the third corner, that's basically full time snaps in today's NFL and the fact that he's one of the best tackling corners may actually have him on the field over a guy like Gilmore on running downs. 3. So combining 1 and 2, if the Pats had Butler, Gilmore and McCourty then there probably wouldn't be a traditional top 2 cornerback random; situation and matchups would dictate. On true passing downs McCourty could be the third guy whereas on clear running downs he may be the top guy... 4. Rowe - I like him a lot more than others it seems; I think he's good and got better with the coaching here, but I don't think McCourty would look at him as a road block. I think there is plenty of room for 3 starting corners in this defense to get plenty of run. Beyond that you have: 1. He wants to play with his brother 2. He wants to win and play for a Super Bowl. So my conclusion is...it's going to come down to money more than opportunity. He's probably not ready to take short money as a vet trying to win something... but he could take a smaller one year deal here to be like a poor mans Revis. Try and win a Title, rebuild his value a bit by being healthy and in a scheme that uses his strengths then hit free agency again. With the Butler situation that may lead to a deal back here. The second only happens if he money around the league isn't to his liking. Did you see where Devin commented on his brother coming to NE and saying the same thing I did? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 19, 2017 1:14:03 GMT -5
Helluva day for the Pats.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 19, 2017 5:35:12 GMT -5
If you take for granted that the Bills don't match the offer for Gillislee, that makes six players in their prime that the Pats have added to the roster. It feels like BB has surprised us once again as he would normally add older vets playing for a song and looking for a ring. It seems like a concerted effort to add these types of guys. Add to that the lack of draft picks, at least for now, and it shows an unwillingness to wait for those picks to develop.
One way or another this roster seems to be built to win another SB or 2 in the next few years, I like that!! Freaking juggernaut and they still have cap room. Imagine if Gronk and the majority of guys stay healthy how unbeatable they will be.
One area that could still use some additions would be another edge guy and a LB, I could be getting a little greedy but why not.
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Post by rookie13 on Apr 19, 2017 6:27:02 GMT -5
While this isn't technically Pats news anymore, Aaron Hernandez killed himself in prison this morning.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 8:36:49 GMT -5
This is a valid point but a few things to balance that a bit: 1. He's a competitor so he thinks he's better than other corners and he knows the best guys play here and salary doesn't matter. 2. Even if he was "only" the third corner, that's basically full time snaps in today's NFL and the fact that he's one of the best tackling corners may actually have him on the field over a guy like Gilmore on running downs. 3. So combining 1 and 2, if the Pats had Butler, Gilmore and McCourty then there probably wouldn't be a traditional top 2 cornerback random; situation and matchups would dictate. On true passing downs McCourty could be the third guy whereas on clear running downs he may be the top guy... 4. Rowe - I like him a lot more than others it seems; I think he's good and got better with the coaching here, but I don't think McCourty would look at him as a road block. I think there is plenty of room for 3 starting corners in this defense to get plenty of run. Beyond that you have: 1. He wants to play with his brother 2. He wants to win and play for a Super Bowl. So my conclusion is...it's going to come down to money more than opportunity. He's probably not ready to take short money as a vet trying to win something... but he could take a smaller one year deal here to be like a poor mans Revis. Try and win a Title, rebuild his value a bit by being healthy and in a scheme that uses his strengths then hit free agency again. With the Butler situation that may lead to a deal back here. The second only happens if he money around the league isn't to his liking. Did you see where Devin commented on his brother coming to NE and saying the same thing I did? Yea I saw that before my post. He said he wasn't at the point in his career where we would go to a place he wouldn't play. But I still stand by what I said above as it covers that. It's late in the offseason, most teams have used the majority of their space. He's not getting a huge contract which makes it ripe for him here. I think it works with or without Butler, but watch the Butler situation. If he's traded we are talking a different ballgame. McCourty is bigger than Butler and he's a great tackler which fits what Bill has been building here. Edit: well kinda Gilmore isn't a great tackler I don't believe. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 8:40:58 GMT -5
If you take for granted that the Bills don't match the offer for Gillislee, that makes six players in their prime that the Pats have added to the roster. It feels like BB has surprised us once again as he would normally add older vets playing for a song and looking for a ring. It seems like a concerted effort to add these types of guys. Add to that the lack of draft picks, at least for now, and it shows an unwillingness to wait for those picks to develop. One way or another this roster seems to be built to win another SB or 2 in the next few years, I like that!! Freaking juggernaut and they still have cap room. Imagine if Gronk and the majority of guys stay healthy how unbeatable they will be. One area that could still use some additions would be another edge guy and a LB, I could be getting a little greedy but why not. This is somewhat misleading, unintentionally so... Bill added guy's in their prime, not making a ton of money (besides Gilmore) which sets them up for now and many years. It's not like they are going all in an mortgaging their future. Bill is always adapting and what I am about to say doesn't mean he doesn't like the draft or building thru it; quite the contrary but he's realized that draft picks take a couple years to develop then you get a couple good years before you have to pay them. Some of these trades just cut out the middle man. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 8:43:09 GMT -5
While this isn't technically Pats news anymore, Aaron Hernandez killed himself in prison this morning. Saved the tax payers money. I am pretty sure his not guilty verdict costs the Patriots a 3.5 cap credit for next year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 12:58:07 GMT -5
If you take for granted that the Bills don't match the offer for Gillislee, that makes six players in their prime that the Pats have added to the roster. It feels like BB has surprised us once again as he would normally add older vets playing for a song and looking for a ring. It seems like a concerted effort to add these types of guys. Add to that the lack of draft picks, at least for now, and it shows an unwillingness to wait for those picks to develop. One way or another this roster seems to be built to win another SB or 2 in the next few years, I like that!! Freaking juggernaut and they still have cap room. Imagine if Gronk and the majority of guys stay healthy how unbeatable they will be. One area that could still use some additions would be another edge guy and a LB, I could be getting a little greedy but why not. This is somewhat misleading, unintentionally so... Bill added guy's in their prime, not making a ton of money (besides Gilmore) which sets them up for now and many years. It's not like they are going all in an mortgaging their future. Bill is always adapting and what I am about to say doesn't mean he doesn't like the draft or building thru it; quite the contrary but he's realized that draft picks take a couple years to develop then you get a couple good years before you have to pay them. Some of these trades just cut out the middle man. They keep adding players and trading draft picks and you just keep saying the same exact thing. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:05:05 GMT -5
This is somewhat misleading, unintentionally so... Bill added guy's in their prime, not making a ton of money (besides Gilmore) which sets them up for now and many years. It's not like they are going all in an mortgaging their future. Bill is always adapting and what I am about to say doesn't mean he doesn't like the draft or building thru it; quite the contrary but he's realized that draft picks take a couple years to develop then you get a couple good years before you have to pay them. Some of these trades just cut out the middle man. They keep adding players and trading draft picks and you just keep saying the same exact thing. Yea? What's your point exactly? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 13:08:23 GMT -5
They keep adding players and trading draft picks and you just keep saying the same exact thing. Yea? What's your point exactly? That the Patriots are going all in for Tom Brady's final years. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:10:42 GMT -5
They aren't sacrificing their future to do that. Bill is building a great team that can be sustainable for a long time. Business as usual.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:13:05 GMT -5
Explain how they are going all in but they haven't traded a back up QB that could easily net at least the 12 pick and likely more.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 13:14:18 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I find the timing of Hernandez hanging very fishy and really question if he took his own life. It makes zero sense. If he lost his last case I could totally understand it, but he won. His new attorney was all pumped up saying he wanted to do the appeal and he's one of the best in the Country. Saying he saw holes in the case. It just makes no sense right now. If he lost his appeal I could totally see him doing it, but not right now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2017 13:17:23 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I find the timing of Hernandez hanging very fishy and really question if he took his own life. It makes zero sense. If he lost his last case I could totally understand it, but he won. His new attorney was all pumped up saying he wanted to do the appeal and he's one of the best in the Country. Saying he saw holes in the case. It just makes no sense right now. If he lost his appeal I could totally see him doing it, but not right now. I agree with this. All I can think of is he felt guilty for killing Odin Lloyd. If he killed him because he thought he knew about the double murder and now he's not guilty of said double murder then maybe the guilt of killing a guy he didn't have to kill got to him. Then I think he's a sociopath and they don't feel that way which then brings back the question of would a socio path kill themselves? Of course Hernandez is a big dude - hard to kill him without there being a fight. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 13:18:12 GMT -5
If trading draft picks isn't sacrificing the future, then what is?
They are going all in, so they want the best depth they can. You've been leading the don't trade Jimmy parade for ever. Saying we can win with him in case Brady gets injured, have you not?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2017 13:20:07 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I find the timing of Hernandez hanging very fishy and really question if he took his own life. It makes zero sense. If he lost his last case I could totally understand it, but he won. His new attorney was all pumped up saying he wanted to do the appeal and he's one of the best in the Country. Saying he saw holes in the case. It just makes no sense right now. If he lost his appeal I could totally see him doing it, but not right now. I agree with this. All I can think of is he felt guilty for killing Odin Lloyd. If he killed him because he thought he knew about the double murder and now he's not guilty of said double murder then maybe the guilt of killing a guy he didn't have to kill got to him. Then I think he's a sociopath and they don't feel that way which then brings back the question of would a socio path kill themselves? Of course Hernandez is a big dude - hard to kill him without there being a fight. That's the thing a true sociopath would never kill himself. He would love prison as it gave him more chances to hurt people and control them. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 19, 2017 13:20:50 GMT -5
Things I've heard/read:
1. The sound bite from the lawyer basically said that IF he was hired (ie paid) he thinks he could win. Also said that Hernandez had no money. Would need friends to step up.
2. Under MA law, if you die prior to exhausting all legal steps to prove innocence (don't know if I have the terminology exactly correct), you're status is returned to what it was prior to the ruling. I don't quite understand law but this could have positive financial impacts to his family.
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