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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 13:31:54 GMT -5
I think that makes sense. I never fully believed all those reports that Brown's were offering #12 and 2-3 second round picks. I have a feeling that Brown's were maybe offering pick #12 or 2-3 second rounders and the Patriots wanted more. I could never understand the Patriots turning down #12 and 2-3 second round picks.
While you would downgrade the QB spot this year, you could add a bunch of talent for the future. I also really like this QB class. They need time to develop, but there are a bunch of guys with major upside.
If you're going to deal either Garrapolo or Butler, I would deal Garrapolo. I just find it hard to believe that Bill would use the franchise tag on Jimmy and keep him for a year. He'd be making more than Brady!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 13:55:13 GMT -5
If there is one guy with enough balls to franchise a back up QB it's Bill. That's the only reason I don't discount that as a possibility.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 14:29:00 GMT -5
He could do it, nothing would surprise me. Thing is it goes against everything he's done forever. Which is to build the deepest teams he can. You would really limit your ability to resign and add guys next year if your paying your back up QB like 22-23 million. It also takes away your ability to tag players like Solder or Butler and keep them or trade them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 14:34:57 GMT -5
He could do it, nothing would surprise me. Thing is it goes against everything he's done forever. Which is to build the deepest teams he can. You would really limit your ability to resign and add guys next year if your paying your back up QB like 22-23 million. It also takes away your ability to tag players like Solder or Butler and keep them or trade them. It does but there is at least one major difference and possibly two that he's never been faced with before: 1. He's never been faced with Brady being at the end of his career 2. He's never had a backup who he thinks can be a top starter in the league. The second is the maybe, but also goes hand in hand with the first. The Quarterback position is so vital that it trumps all else. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2017 15:00:43 GMT -5
All depends on how much he likes Garrapolo. They did take a QB in third round last year, so they have to be very high on him. They didn't draft him just to be a backup for 4 games. I also find it hard to believe that Bill thinks he can't find another QB. He would only think that way if he thinks Garrapolo is truly special. We will find out one way or the other. If they don't trade him it will come out what the Browns actually offered.
If that report is true, #12 and a second next year, I think that says everything you need to know.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2017 15:02:33 GMT -5
Pete Prisco is just an ESPN deflate gate hack so I don't trust him.
But we will certainly find out.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 7:20:11 GMT -5
We find out today if the Bills match the Gillisley offer sheet. I hope they do not match. I think he's a potential steal for the Patriots. Watching the film on him I love the way he runs and hits the hole. I think it will upgrade over Blount big time and add an element this team has missed for a long time. Blount was too easy to stop with a stacked box and had a lot of negative plays. He was slow to the line and not in a Bell sort of way. Gillislee finds the hole and hits it hard almost violently with low pads and seems to always get something, plus he has an explosiveness we haven't had there. Blount is fast when he has a huge hole to build up speed but Gillisslee looks to have a burst right away. He's been hidden behind McCoy but still got a good amount of production. I think the way the Pats structured the deal with an over 4m cap hit this year makes it hard for the Bills to match. That's a lot of money for a back up RB when your starter has a big contract. Very excited about the possibilities he brings to the offense.
2 things I don't know about him are:
Is he a good blocking back?
Is he any kind of threat as a receiver? I know he's not a james white type but Blount was virtually a non factor, can Gillislee leak out a little more on play action than Blount?
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Post by digit on Apr 24, 2017 8:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by digit on Apr 24, 2017 10:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 10:51:47 GMT -5
I think you lose some advantage if you tried to do that with 4 backs. Doing it with 4 just means that 2 backs are covered by corners or DBs instead of those guys having to cover a WR. I'd rather have Cooks and Edelman on a corner vs a running back. You do those things to gain match up advantages.
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Post by digit on Apr 24, 2017 11:00:23 GMT -5
I don't mean playing all four RBs at the same time. Just many more two-back sets.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 11:43:58 GMT -5
Ahhh ok makes more sense
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2017 13:37:26 GMT -5
So I guess the Bills are going to take this to the last minute.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 13:39:11 GMT -5
Of course wouldn't you ?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 13:43:58 GMT -5
Don't think they did with Hogan last year. Declined to match almost immediately.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 13:45:22 GMT -5
I bet they match, btw.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 13:53:23 GMT -5
I bet they don't... if they do then they are dumb. First it is a lot of money for them and second they are holding him out of off season activities just to delay?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2017 14:00:16 GMT -5
Butler is most likely staying at least, so there's that. I don't think he can hold out either because he signed his tender. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 14:08:17 GMT -5
I bet they don't... if they do then they are dumb. First it is a lot of money for them and second they are holding him out of off season activities just to delay? It may not be that telling but why keep the tender number on your books for this long if you're not going to match. Meanwhile, you keep the offer # on NE's books for this whole time (he actually is on BOTH team's books for the 5 day period). Not sure it's THAT stupid for them to match. They have some room and will have more, I believe, when they get Aaron Williams' money off the books (June?). |
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Post by digit on Apr 24, 2017 14:13:11 GMT -5
There's really no practical reason why they can't wait till the last minute. I was rather surprised the Bills decided so quickly with Hogan... I think last year they must have -really- needed the cap space. This year there's no rush, I guess, so they'll go down to the wire, and maybe delay NE making other moves.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 14:17:33 GMT -5
The practical reason would be to get his tender number off your books (it's on their until they make their decision, if I understand correctly). Now, if they weren't planning on doing anything with that space during that time, then it's no big deal either way.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2017 14:44:00 GMT -5
The practical reason would be to get his tender number off your books (it's on their until they make their decision, if I understand correctly). Now, if they weren't planning on doing anything with that space during that time, then it's no big deal either way. Why do they need to get it off their books? There is no detriment to them. |
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Post by digit on Apr 24, 2017 14:56:08 GMT -5
Right now there isn't a pressing reason to get it off the books. Last year there was, I think, in that they had other players to sign. That's the basic difference between this year and last.
Although if Buffalo really wanted the player, there's no real practical reason to wait till the last minute, it seems like it would antagonize the player.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 14:56:12 GMT -5
Did you read the 2nd sentence? IF they have no plans for that space during that 5 days, then you're right. But, the tender is on their cap space. If the plan is not to match and IF they had a move to make, they could clear the room by declining sooner.
That's the practical reason.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2017 14:57:21 GMT -5
They can be in contact with the player. Isn't at least possible, they told him they are going to match but want to keep the money on NE's books for the full period?
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