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MLB to experiment starting runner at 2B in extras in Minors
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 11, 2017 1:24:09 GMT -5
What a bunch of trolls lol. Yet, you continue to listen to them and post in here about what they say. I just wanted to show how the Boston media views this subject. It just completely differs from any of the good fans who really enjoys baseball. I don't mean to take away from anything here. Just wanted to share it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 11, 2017 8:24:18 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball.
Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right.
This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 11, 2017 16:42:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball. Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right. This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game. Kids are gonna love baseball once this extra innings rule is in effect though. Problem solved, MLB, go home early, extra bonuses for everyone.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2017 17:28:08 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball. Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right. This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game. How could baseball ever compete with how exciting soccer is though? I love it when teams play for a tie early in a 0-0 game. At least they have shootouts sometimes which is about as exciting as a series of coin flips though.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Feb 11, 2017 17:56:15 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball. Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right. This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game. I've been hearing that for 10-15 years yet the game continues to grow.
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Post by costpet on Feb 11, 2017 20:04:54 GMT -5
Baseball is a summer game. It's meant to be relaxing and enjoyed. If the game is too long for you, shut it off or go home. Enjoy the game for what it is. Has there even been a Sox/Yanks game under 4 hours? No one shuts those off. Baseball has a certain pace and should not be curtailed. Stop the damn tinkering. Leave it alone. It's good as is.
They've changed the strike zone this year to above the knees, not below them. That should add some offence. But, the basic part of the game should be left alone.
If they don't like extra innings, then stop the game, say, at the end of the 10th. If it's still tied, call is a half a win for each team.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Feb 11, 2017 20:13:22 GMT -5
Baseball is a summer game. It's meant to be relaxing and enjoyed. If the game is too long for you, shut it off or go home. Enjoy the game for what it is. Has there even been a Sox/Yanks game under 4 hours? No one shuts those off. Baseball has a certain pace and should not be curtailed. Stop the damn tinkering. Leave it alone. It's good as is. They've changed the strike zone this year to above the knees, not below them. That should add some offence. But, the basic part of the game should be left alone. If they don't like extra innings, then stop the game, say, at the end of the 10th. If it's still tied, call is a half a win for each team. I did not hear about the strike zone, will that effect Porcello?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 12, 2017 9:29:48 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball. Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right. This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game. How could baseball ever compete with how exciting soccer is though? I love it when teams play for a tie early in a 0-0 game. At least they have shootouts sometimes which is about as exciting as a series of coin flips though. Listen I love baseball so I'm not knocking the game, just calling it like I see it. I also love soccer tho, but I watch more baseball than Soccer. That being said, it's how I grew up. That's changing. Soccer is an exciting game for the majority of the world. Most people here, especially older ones such as yourself just don't understand it therefore cannot appreciate it. Sure there are some boring teams and styles of play and games aren't high scoring but neither is hockey for the most part so what? A soccer game is continuous without commercials and if you do understand the game it's a great strategic game that's very good to watch. It's a great game where you need to see things before they happen. Also, watch a highlight reel of soccer highlights versus baseball highlights and it's not even close which is more impressive and exciting. I'm not endorsing one game versus the other. Just pointing out the appeal for soccer for many. There is a reason it's the most popular sport in the world and it's not even close.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 12, 2017 9:30:45 GMT -5
Sorry, I've said it before but the demographics of baseball is changing big time. Ratings and money into the game don't show it get because kids don't matter in those, but little leagues have lost half their teams in this area over the last 20 years or so and kids barely watch baseball. Oh by the way... the number of kids who watch soccer has blown up, when I was a kid barely anyone did and even if you wanted to you could barely find it. Now you can watch pretty much any big EPL or every Champions League game on regular tv. Of course it's blown up compared to next to nothing but those trends do support Felger being right. This isn't to say soccer is going to be bigger the MLB any time soon or at all here but MLB has a major problem down the road and they know it. It's a ways away before they see it in attendance and on their bottom line but there is a generation growing up for the first time that is turned off by the game. I've been hearing that for 10-15 years yet the game continues to grow. It depends how you measure growth.... it's not growing at the youth levels.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2017 15:26:56 GMT -5
Let me say this though... in Rookie ball and the WBC - the two places this is being implemented - the rule actually makes sense. Not for pace-of-play reasons, but because it's likely to end games quicker. Pitching being limited in both of those situations, I get it.
I have sincere doubts this will ever be used in a non-complex league.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 12, 2017 17:57:35 GMT -5
Early returns on Manfred are that he's a complete and utter disaster.
The games flow so much better with pitchers who work quickly, so adding the pitching clock is such a no-brainer it makes you wonder if the people running this league have brains. On top of that, make it so managers really only have two challenges.
Aside from that, let baseball be baseball.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2017 18:33:54 GMT -5
Early returns on Manfred are that he's a complete and utter disaster. The games flow so much better with pitchers who work quickly, so adding the pitching clock is such a no-brainer it makes you wonder if the people running this league have brains. On top of that, make it so managers really only have two challenges. Aside from that, let baseball be baseball. And make it so managers have to decide immediately whether they want to challenge without video help so they only challenge the gross errors. I have zero interest in watching a replay 100 times to see if someone's foot came off the bag for 1/100th of a second.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 12, 2017 18:42:22 GMT -5
Early returns on Manfred are that he's a complete and utter disaster. The games flow so much better with pitchers who work quickly, so adding the pitching clock is such a no-brainer it makes you wonder if the people running this league have brains. On top of that, make it so managers really only have two challenges.Aside from that, let baseball be baseball. If you strictly limit challenges, you're inviting a scenario where there's been a blown call, they have the video to overturn in, but they can't look at it because a manager used his challenges already. Just get rid of challenges entirely; review is at the ump's discretion, managers can ask nicely if they like. A challenge system, if actually enforced, just adds this weird little mini-game of managerial strategy that's totally outside of anything baseball has ever been. And we know how much fun it is to watch MLB managers try to do strategy.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 12, 2017 18:54:41 GMT -5
Early returns on Manfred are that he's a complete and utter disaster. The games flow so much better with pitchers who work quickly, so adding the pitching clock is such a no-brainer it makes you wonder if the people running this league have brains. On top of that, make it so managers really only have two challenges.Aside from that, let baseball be baseball. If you strictly limit challenges, you're inviting a scenario where there's been a blown call, they have the video to overturn in, but they can't look at it because a manager used his challenges already. Just get rid of challenges entirely; review is at the ump's discretion, managers can ask nicely if they like. A challenge system, if actually enforced, just adds this weird little mini-game of managerial strategy that's totally outside of anything baseball has ever been. And we know how much fun it is to watch MLB managers try to do strategy. It actually is kinda fun to watch, just because you get to see how painful it is for them to try to think something through in real time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 12, 2017 18:54:47 GMT -5
Early returns on Manfred are that he's a complete and utter disaster. The games flow so much better with pitchers who work quickly, so adding the pitching clock is such a no-brainer it makes you wonder if the people running this league have brains. On top of that, make it so managers really only have two challenges. Aside from that, let baseball be baseball. And make it so managers have to decide immediately whether they want to challenge without video help so they only challenge the gross errors. I have zero interest in watching a replay 100 times to see if someone's foot came off the bag for 1/100th of a second. If you have to immediately challenge AND you're limited to two, you're really inviting disaster. Also, what's "immediately"? Are we going to institute some kind of challenge clock? I do think they need to do something about these overturned calls on stolen bases. If a player beats the tag and doesn't actively give up the base, he shouldn't be called out because his hand or foot bounces for a split second. The stolen base is an endangered species in a game that's more and more dominated by strikeouts and home runs. Athleticism in the game has never been higher, but it's going to waste on an increasingly static game. Baseball needs to find a way to increase action on the base paths, and the current review rules are not helping.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2017 19:44:08 GMT -5
And make it so managers have to decide immediately whether they want to challenge without video help so they only challenge the gross errors. I have zero interest in watching a replay 100 times to see if someone's foot came off the bag for 1/100th of a second. If you have to immediately challenge AND you're limited to two, you're really inviting disaster. Also, what's "immediately"? Are we going to institute some kind of challenge clock? I do think they need to do something about these overturned calls on stolen bases. If a player beats the tag and doesn't actively give up the base, he shouldn't be called out because his hand or foot bounces for a split second. The stolen base is an endangered species in a game that's more and more dominated by strikeouts and home runs. Athleticism in the game has never been higher, but it's going to waste on an increasingly static game. Baseball needs to find a way to increase action on the base paths, and the current review rules are not helping. I'd define immediately as the manager throwing something on the field before the next pitch. No standing on top of the dugout with his hand up while the video is reviewed for 30 seconds by the team.
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Post by okin15 on Feb 13, 2017 8:47:13 GMT -5
I don't hate the rule, but agree it shouldn't be until the 12th inning or later. I also don't mind the first base variant to avoid all the silly bunting and sac flies that will be almost mandatory in order to protect against the other team doing the same. But it's not really changing the game, other than the reliever stats.* At the very least, this makes sense up through a-ball, and can we wait until it has been tested before we react? Isn't that the point of testing it???
But I also agree that they actually need to address regulation pace of play more urgently. Install the pitch clock. Also, if you're extra concerned about extra innings, shorten THOSE inning breaks, again beginning in inning 12. They can't be selling commercials in the 17th for the same price as in the fifth... and the waiting is what kills people's attention, not the playing.
*Just pretend you went for an extra long pee break between innings and the first batter got a double off of Rob Manfred or Joe Torre. Then the manager pulled him. Boy, Manfred's ERA is gonna be putrid!
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Post by okin15 on Feb 13, 2017 8:50:07 GMT -5
If you have to immediately challenge AND you're limited to two, you're really inviting disaster. Also, what's "immediately"? Are we going to institute some kind of challenge clock? I do think they need to do something about these overturned calls on stolen bases. If a player beats the tag and doesn't actively give up the base, he shouldn't be called out because his hand or foot bounces for a split second. The stolen base is an endangered species in a game that's more and more dominated by strikeouts and home runs. Athleticism in the game has never been higher, but it's going to waste on an increasingly static game. Baseball needs to find a way to increase action on the base paths, and the current review rules are not helping. I'd define immediately as the manager throwing something on the field before the next pitch. No standing on top of the dugout with his hand up while the video is reviewed for 30 seconds by the team. Before the wind-up begins. Otherwise it's a balk and a ball, or for the batting team, a strike. I agree that waiting it out is getting brutal. Also, see pitch clock.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 13, 2017 20:36:19 GMT -5
Let me say this though... in Rookie ball and the WBC - the two places this is being implemented - the rule actually makes sense. Not for pace-of-play reasons, but because it's likely to end games quicker. Pitching being limited in both of those situations, I get it. I have sincere doubts this will ever be used in a non-complex league. Would anyone complain if they allowed ties in minor league games? (not playoff of course) This wouldn't help the majors but it would make pitch counts and development/fatigue easier to manage in the minors. As far as the majors - what about starting everyone out at 1-0 in innings 10-12 and 2-0 after? (although i don't believe extra inning games are a serious problem in MLB as I have always enjoyed them)
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 15, 2017 8:24:47 GMT -5
Let me say this though... in Rookie ball and the WBC - the two places this is being implemented - the rule actually makes sense. Not for pace-of-play reasons, but because it's likely to end games quicker. Pitching being limited in both of those situations, I get it. I have sincere doubts this will ever be used in a non-complex league. I'll echo wcsoxfan. In the complex leagues, is this cockamamie rule actually better than a tie? Like, if it's tied after nine, play a 10th. If it's tied after 10, go home! Why is it so imperative to determine a winner in leagues where the outcomes so clearly don't matter? ------ My rule for increasing the pace of play is that the batter only gets one timeout per at-bat. Other than that, the pitcher can throw the ball whenever he wants. And it has the secondary benefit of encouraging quick pitches. The quick pitch is the best.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2017 10:21:21 GMT -5
Great point. Bang it after 10 in the complexes. It's not even like you have paying fans to cater to.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2017 0:37:19 GMT -5
How could baseball ever compete with how exciting soccer is though? I love it when teams play for a tie early in a 0-0 game. At least they have shootouts sometimes which is about as exciting as a series of coin flips though. Listen I love baseball so I'm not knocking the game, just calling it like I see it. I also love soccer tho, but I watch more baseball than Soccer. That being said, it's how I grew up. That's changing. Soccer is an exciting game for the majority of the world. Most people here, especially older ones such as yourself just don't understand it therefore cannot appreciate it. Sure there are some boring teams and styles of play and games aren't high scoring but neither is hockey for the most part so what? A soccer game is continuous without commercials and if you do understand the game it's a great strategic game that's very good to watch. It's a great game where you need to see things before they happen. Also, watch a highlight reel of soccer highlights versus baseball highlights and it's not even close which is more impressive and exciting. I'm not endorsing one game versus the other. Just pointing out the appeal for soccer for many. There is a reason it's the most popular sport in the world and it's not even close. I would argue that it's the most popular sport in the world because it requires no equipment other than a ball. It's accessible to the most destitute of the third world for that reason. There's no lower poverty limit. And that's it. I played organized soccer, at center/L halfback, and it was great. I was always in the game. But I think it's dull as hell to watch. At the same time, people watch golf, too. Soccer's worldwide audience will likely never shrink because the number of people who play/have played so vastly outmatches participation in any other sport. There's a massive base of people raised on the game, and as long as 85% of earth's people live in poverty, there will continue to be.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 21, 2017 5:51:59 GMT -5
Listen I love baseball so I'm not knocking the game, just calling it like I see it. I also love soccer tho, but I watch more baseball than Soccer. That being said, it's how I grew up. That's changing. Soccer is an exciting game for the majority of the world. Most people here, especially older ones such as yourself just don't understand it therefore cannot appreciate it. Sure there are some boring teams and styles of play and games aren't high scoring but neither is hockey for the most part so what? A soccer game is continuous without commercials and if you do understand the game it's a great strategic game that's very good to watch. It's a great game where you need to see things before they happen. Also, watch a highlight reel of soccer highlights versus baseball highlights and it's not even close which is more impressive and exciting. I'm not endorsing one game versus the other. Just pointing out the appeal for soccer for many. There is a reason it's the most popular sport in the world and it's not even close. I would argue that it's the most popular sport in the world because it requires no equipment other than a ball. It's accessible to the most destitute of the third world for that reason. There's no lower poverty limit. And that's it. I played organized soccer, at center/L halfback, and it was great. I was always in the game. But I think it's dull as hell to watch. At the same time, people watch golf, too. Soccer's worldwide audience will likely never shrink because the number of people who play/have played so vastly outmatches participation in any other sport. There's a massive base of people raised on the game, and as long as 85% of earth's people live in poverty, there will continue to be. Well cleats, shin guards, and high socks are really helpful but not needed if you enjoy playing with extreme pain. I can see a lot of third world countries playing with pain to play however.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 21, 2017 23:20:16 GMT -5
I would argue that it's the most popular sport in the world because it requires no equipment other than a ball. It's accessible to the most destitute of the third world for that reason. There's no lower poverty limit. And that's it. I played organized soccer, at center/L halfback, and it was great. I was always in the game. But I think it's dull as hell to watch. At the same time, people watch golf, too. Soccer's worldwide audience will likely never shrink because the number of people who play/have played so vastly outmatches participation in any other sport. There's a massive base of people raised on the game, and as long as 85% of earth's people live in poverty, there will continue to be. Well cleats, shin guards, and high socks are really helpful but not needed if you enjoy playing with extreme pain. I can see a lot of third world countries playing with pain to play however. I'm talking about on a field with a ball at age 6. Even with baseball, or basketball, it's much tougher to improvise. Basketball requires a flat surface and a bouncable ball. Baseball requires multiple players. Soccer just needs a little space and something that doesn't hurt when you kick it. Goals can be marked with sticks or rocks. You can play barefoot. Soccer's also been around longer. But it can be played nearly anywhere, anytime. And its major skills can be practiced alone, which isn't really possible to the same extent with other sports. It's the ultimate pick-up game...who doesn't get a chuckle out of nutmegging their buddy in a hallway with a balled-up piece of paper?
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Post by danr on Feb 22, 2017 1:07:38 GMT -5
This is a country of more than 320 million people, the third most populous country in the world. Unless Trump succeeds in stopping immigration, we will be 400 million in not too long in the future. Baseball is in no danger of fading away. The profits being made now are incredible and they only are going to get better. There is no reason to adopt this stupid idea of putting a player on 2nd in the 10th. If the game has gotten to the 10th, the fans of both teams deserve to have it played out. I don't like soccer and one of the reasons I don't is they have that shootout in case of a tie. I think baseball fans would hate this idea.
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