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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 29, 2017 16:03:48 GMT -5
The staff spent time watching this kid and they were impressed. We need a thread to follow his exploits this year, so I'm starting this one.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 29, 2017 18:31:09 GMT -5
The staff spent time watching this kid and they were impressed. We need a thread to follow his exploits this year, so I'm starting this one. Glad for the report on Groome. When we grabbed him last year, projected by some as the #1 draft pick and throwing in the high 90s, it appeared that the gods had been uncommonly kind. The 'word' was that he slipped due to character or signability concerns. Those were quickly dispelled making us seemingly that much more blessed. I realize that he is only 18 and has a great curve. But his physique is reportedly mature beyond his years suggesting that future gains might be less than with others less mature at like age. He is throwing 90-92 and not "high 90s" and spring or not, that is what he threw last year. We now appear to view Groome as a possible 2 or 3 should he gain some velo and improve his change. Recalling similar early velocity reports on Ball, Owens and Johnson (yes velocity isn't everything) and given the fantasy inducing reports last year, it appears that expectations could be tempered. We are early in the game for sure but at present he sounds more like a workhorse innings eater than what one would envision from a lefty #1.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 30, 2017 7:33:31 GMT -5
I really can't get enough video of this guy. Awesome. His curveball is so pretty.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 30, 2017 7:40:46 GMT -5
His fastball looks a little deceptive too, or else the hitters were terrible. Everyone was swinging really late at it.
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Post by tookme55 on Mar 30, 2017 8:25:46 GMT -5
I'm more worried about being able to locate his fastball than the velocity. I think that will improve. I suspect he will top out around 94-95, which I don't think is unreasonable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 30, 2017 9:55:34 GMT -5
It was his first start (against another team) of the spring, so it's reasonable to expect another mph or two even early this season.
Lots of run on the pitch too, so I'm sure he'd have had no trouble going and getting, say, 94 with a four-seam.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 30, 2017 10:33:15 GMT -5
I'm more worried about being able to locate his fastball than the velocity. I think that will improve. I suspect he will top out around 94-95, which I don't think is unreasonable. You are probably right and I certainly hope so. The movement and run reported here is a factor that I didn't consider sufficiently.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 30, 2017 13:11:14 GMT -5
Those of you who haven't done so might want to listen to the latest podcast also. There's an extended discussion of Groome's outing. Again, there's a lot to like, starting with the age and what seems to be an advanced understanding of how to pitch - and the stuff of course
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 31, 2017 22:29:54 GMT -5
I laughed at the ambient voice sounds during the slo mo of his pitching video. Thanks for posting, that was great to see. We need some homegrown pitching success. After all, we will need bullpen help soon enough.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 31, 2017 23:34:53 GMT -5
Because Dumbrowski drafted him He is not going to be traded.
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Post by telluricrook on Mar 31, 2017 23:46:05 GMT -5
Good pitchers help themselves out there by landing in a good fielding position as well and it looks like Groome does just that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 1, 2017 1:05:47 GMT -5
Because Dumbrowski drafted him He is not going to be traded. That's not true at all. Dombrowski also drafted Randy Johnson and Andrew Miller and traded both.
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Post by SALNotes on Apr 5, 2017 12:17:43 GMT -5
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Post by keany on Apr 5, 2017 13:56:09 GMT -5
I guess they think Groome isn't even half the pitcher. 2nd vs 5th game.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2017 10:58:46 GMT -5
Didn't see this posted elsewhere. Hopefully a good sign.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 1, 2017 12:28:15 GMT -5
re: the above post fullcount.weei.com/Groome pitched in a game for the first time since suffering the injury on Tuesday when he appeared in an extended spring training game on the stadium field at JetBlue Park. The left-hander went two innings and all the reports were good. Since he missed so much time, the organization will keep him on an innings progression in Fort Myers before they consider promoting him back to Greenville.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 12, 2017 9:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 12, 2017 10:20:58 GMT -5
He was 90-92 and touched 93mph in his 1st GCL start last season. Was there with my wife. Threw multiple curves also that looked pretty good over 2 innings he worked as remember.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2017 19:12:34 GMT -5
Ryan Hannable @ryanhannable Spinners press release has Jason Groome being available at media day (June 16), so it appears he will be making return from injury in Lowell
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 5, 2017 11:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2017 11:11:37 GMT -5
He sounds a lot like Pomeranz at this point. But he has a lot of time to develop an average 3rd pitch.
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2017 11:33:03 GMT -5
On the new podcast I was surprised to hear Ian say it would not surprise him if Groome "flamed out" in high A. Ian also said he would not be surprised if Groome became a top of the rotation MLB pitcher. Is the "flame out" lower range based on make-up concerns? Of course Ian may shortly revise his opinion if he strings together a few more strong outings at Greenville (low A ).
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Post by bnich on Jul 5, 2017 12:45:25 GMT -5
He sounds a lot like Pomeranz at this point. But he has a lot of time to develop an average 3rd pitch. I get the comparison on stuff alone, but Groome is and was significantly younger than Pomeranz when they were drafted. Groome was a HS arm and Pomeranz was drafted out of college. I think this offers Groome a better comparison as far as career projection that merely Pomeranz. With that said I don't know who he would most favorably compare to.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 5, 2017 13:23:13 GMT -5
The staff spent time watching this kid and they were impressed. We need a thread to follow his exploits this year, so I'm starting this one. Glad for the report on Groome. When we grabbed him last year, projected by some as the #1 draft pick and throwing in the high 90s, it appeared that the gods had been uncommonly kind. The 'word' was that he slipped due to character or signability concerns. Those were quickly dispelled making us seemingly that much more blessed. I realize that he is only 18 and has a great curve. But his physique is reportedly mature beyond his years suggesting that future gains might be less than with others less mature at like age. He is throwing 90-92 and not "high 90s" and spring or not, that is what he threw last year. We now appear to view Groome as a possible 2 or 3 should he gain some velo and improve his change. Recalling similar early velocity reports on Ball, Owens and Johnson (yes velocity isn't everything) and given the fantasy inducing reports last year, it appears that expectations could be tempered. We are early in the game for sure but at present he sounds more like a workhorse innings eater than what one would envision from a lefty #1. To use your words, he is only 18. If I remember right Ball and Owens had and still have repeatability issues. He seems to be very smooth. He is also dealing with recovery from and injury, probably his first one. May be taking his time getting back to normal. Awful small sample size. Do we know what the coaching staff has him working on? Maybe it is not velocity. Give it some time. Do not rush to whether he is only, an innings eater 2 or 3.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 5, 2017 13:42:38 GMT -5
On the new podcast I was surprised to hear Ian say it would not surprise him if Groome "flamed out" in high A. Ian also said he would not be surprised if Groome became a top of the rotation MLB pitcher. Is the "flame out" lower range based on make-up concerns? Of course Ian may shortly revise his opinion if he strings together a few more strong outings at Greenville (low A ). If you read the scratch, it kind of explains this (although it doesn't make the connection to his comments explicitly). He's got enormous potential, but he's a long way off from reaching it. If the fastball were to sit in the low 90's forever and his command of the pitch not progress, and he fails to develop the changeup or any other third pitch, and his body gets away from him and he gets big (the frame is there if he doesn't watch it), then yeah, he definitely could flame out. No reason to think that'll happen, but it's just a point about how wide the error bars are for him. "High A" may have been a bit low and the product of the comment being off-the-cuff rather than prepared for publication, but the point mostly stands.
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