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How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? (This Year)
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Post by patford on May 27, 2017 10:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2017 9:54:45 GMT -5
Just to check back in here, Bradley's hitting .206/.357/.441 since the thread started. Would like to get that average up a bit (that said, .192 BABIP), but that's a useful major league outfielder. So I'll go ahead and congratulate dmaineah on a masterful reverse jinx. If you could start a thread about how horrible it is that Pedroia is hurt next, that'd be appreciated. Also maybe a "why hasn't a mysterious donor paid off all of Chris's law school loans" thread if you have the time.
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Post by James Dunne on May 30, 2017 10:02:05 GMT -5
Just to check back in here, Bradley's hitting .206/.357/.441 since the thread started. Would like to get that average up a bit (that said, .192 BABIP), but that's a useful major league outfielder. So I'll go ahead and congratulate dmaineah on a masterful reverse jinx. If you could start a thread about how horrible it is that Pedroia is hurt next, that'd be appreciated. Also maybe a "why hasn't a mysterious donor paid off all of Chris's law school loans" thread if you have the time. "How long should we wait for James Dunne's 16-month old to start sleeping for more than three hours" would be REALLY appreciated right about now.
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Post by Smittyw on May 30, 2017 10:18:12 GMT -5
Just to check back in here, Bradley's hitting .206/.357/.441 since the thread started. Would like to get that average up a bit (that said, .192 BABIP), but that's a useful major league outfielder. So I'll go ahead and congratulate dmaineah on a masterful reverse jinx. If you could start a thread about how horrible it is that Pedroia is hurt next, that'd be appreciated. Also maybe a "why hasn't a mysterious donor paid off all of Chris's law school loans" thread if you have the time. "How long should we wait for James Dunne's 16-month old to start sleeping for more than three hours" would be REALLY appreciated right about now. 2 more weeks before he/she gets designated for assignment.
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Post by James Dunne on May 30, 2017 10:30:02 GMT -5
"How long should we wait for James Dunne's 16-month old to start sleeping for more than three hours" would be REALLY appreciated right about now. 2 more weeks before he/she gets designated for assignment. "I'm his three-year-old sister and I endorse this message."
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Post by bluechip on May 30, 2017 14:06:26 GMT -5
Centerfield has for many teams become a glove first position. Kiermaier, Pillar, and JBJ are all prime examples of this.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2017 21:50:12 GMT -5
So is this thread officially dead yet?
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Post by rivenp on May 31, 2017 5:32:13 GMT -5
Centerfield has for many teams become a glove first position. Kiermaier, Pillar, and JBJ are all prime examples of this. i wouldn't lump jbj in with those other two considering his ops the past two years has been .833 / .835 which off the top of my head without looking the others up i would think might be close to a hundred points higher...
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Post by mandelbro on May 31, 2017 16:23:18 GMT -5
Centerfield has for many teams become a glove first position. Kiermaier, Pillar, and JBJ are all prime examples of this. It already is. Of the 22 qualified CF in the major leagues this year (Jackie is not one of them but Benintendi is, go figure), 7 have a wRC+ over 100. At 91, JBJ would be 15th out of 23 right now, behind Dexter Fowler (93) and ahead of Adam Jones (91). Now, JBJ has his flaws. And I have wondered if trading him and keeping Margot (or moving Betts to CF permanently) would have been a better idea. But a cursory look at the leaderboards tells you that it is very difficult to upgrade from Jackie Bradley Jr.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 14, 2017 20:47:38 GMT -5
With 2 more hits tonight he's hitting .250/.350/.450 ish. Not bad for a good fielding CF.
OP, would you mind starting a thread for Hanley?
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Post by rivenp on Jun 15, 2017 6:20:04 GMT -5
what i find funny is that opposing managers still keep running out lefties to face jbj...think he has pretty significant reverse splits so far this year...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 15, 2017 11:01:30 GMT -5
Since the knee-brace came off, on May 31st, Bradley is hitting .347/.439/.551. His OPS for the season is .807 and his OPS+ is 110 - both higher than Benintendi's. That's largely due to his outstanding OBP which is nearly 100 points above his average. Throw in the defense and he's been worth two wins over a replacement-level player. Assume he plays another 90+ games during the regular season and he's on a pace for over 5.5 wins (I pro-rated the current wins for the 48 of the team's 65 games he's played).
The eyeball test works also. Anyone watching the games can see that he's absolutely been crushing the ball. There were a limited number of choices for his first hit last evening: a laser over the fence it nearly cleared, the hard-rebound single he got, or a hole in the wall. With any luck at all he'd be hitting over .300 and slugging over .500. He's killing it. And yes, the thread should be retired.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 15, 2017 15:26:45 GMT -5
I wasn't 100% confident JBJ could be as good as he was last year back in April but I thought I had seen enough after his struggles to be confident he is an MLBer.
Perhaps he got off to a slow start, perhaps he's a 5+ WAR player, perhaps he's something in between but I believe JBJ has done enough and come back from enough slumps to instill some level of confidence in him.
He's a big leaguer....and he's here to stay.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 15, 2017 18:20:56 GMT -5
By fWAR hes their 3rd best position player and on the upswing with the bat. Hes good.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 15, 2017 21:30:22 GMT -5
The one thing I know about JBJ is that while his slumps are bad... few players in the league, forget about on the Red Sox, can streak as hot as him. If you said he'd hit .450 with 12 HR in a month I wouldn't blink. Just like if he went 0-30 after it.
Anyone remember when Lavarnway turned into Babe Ruth for like 3 weeks in Portland? That was awesome.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 10, 2017 14:11:24 GMT -5
Since his batting average high of .285 on July 5th JBJ has:
Had 113 ABs with 23 hits, 4 Doubles, 2 HRs, 8 RBIs, Scored 9 Runs, Walked 6 times & Stuck Out 38 times
For a Batting Average of .204, An OBP of .248, Slugged .292 & an OPS of .540
From April 3rd through June 10th; In 151 ABs his BA was .232, his OBP was .328, his SLG was .437 & his OPS was .765 From June 10th through July 5th; In 99 ABs his BA was .364, his OBP was .427, his SLG was .566 & his OPS was .993
By Month he has a; AVG OBP SLG OPS April - .209 .271 .326 .596 May - .221 .341 .468 .808 June - .353 .431 .578 1.009 July - .231 .263 .333 .596 Aug ( so far) .192 .250 .308 .558
Just like last year, as a Hitter, he is excellent for about 100 ABs and even very good for about a total of 200 ABs. But, the rest of the time he is a dark hole in the line up. He is an EXCELLENT DEFENDER but I think the Sox should move him in the off season and get a better more consistent bat into this line up.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2017 14:13:04 GMT -5
I think you should move on in the offseason.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2017 14:16:49 GMT -5
Okay, he has been bad for a little while now. Which means he's due to get hot in probably the best time of the year to get hot.
I'd rather move on from Xander than JBJ at any point. At least JBJ can play defense.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2017 14:20:54 GMT -5
but I think the Sox should move him in the off season and get a better more consistent bat into this line up. Yes, you've made that clear when you've posted it every time he's gone into a slump for five straight seasons.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 10, 2017 15:58:08 GMT -5
dmaineah, it's clear that Bradley's streakiness bothers you. But I ask - what player should they move on to that would actually be an improvement?
It's very easy to just say "they should get a better guy here," but I think you will be surprised how few "better guys" exist if you look. Bradley is 35th among MLB outfielders in fWAR. Do you really want to pay the high cost to upgrade from Bradley, in players and/or money, just so that the guy is less streaky?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2017 16:37:40 GMT -5
Bradley is streaky. His up and downs are extreme. Not a big issue for me, as he makes a ton of great defensive plays even when his bat is cold.
The bigger issue for the last two years is the whole offense is streaky. If we get hot in playoffs we can win it all. If we are cold, see last year. It's why I wanted to add another slugger to the bench. A Bruce or Duda type player. Giving you more options when players are slumping.
Let's hope Bradley gets red hot in Sept and Oct.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -5
Dmainer is correct that when Bradley gets hot he gets blazing hot and then he's ice cold for long stretches. And yeah, the hot stretches have a way of making his numbers, in balance, look good, but I think Dmainer is missing several points as have already been pointed out.
I would add that I think it would help Bradley perhaps get out of those stretches if Farrell would give him a breather day or two the way he just did with Benintendi.
I get that Farrell doesn't want to do without JBJ's defense in CF, but he does have two other CFs on the roster. I don't think a day or two in CF would destroy Benintendi or Betts.
So in a way JBJ's bat gets punished because his defense is too good and Farrell refuses to do without it, pencils him in the lineup every day and the slumps worsens until finally he busts out of it with a vengeance.
Perhaps he'd bust out sooner if he had a day or two to clear his head and catch his breath?
And I think it's the same for Mookie this year (he finally got a day recently) and it certainly was the same for Xander last year where he desperately needed some time off.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2017 17:38:09 GMT -5
Bradley is streaky. His up and downs are extreme. Not a big issue for me, as he makes a ton of great defensive plays even when his bat is cold. The bigger issue for the last two years is the whole offense is streaky. If we get hot in playoffs we can win it all. If we are cold, see last year. It's why I wanted to add another slugger to the bench. A Bruce or Duda type player. Giving you more options when players are slumping. Let's hope Bradley gets red hot in Sept and Oct. I wanted Bruce too but Bruce and Duda are just as streaky as this offense. It's mostly luck and good fortune combined with talent that will make this offense either go or not in October. They clearly have enough talent with Devers here now.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 10, 2017 20:53:51 GMT -5
The organization should be open minded about replacing him, at the very least. He's probably all he is ever going to be, so you'd be selling him at good value. He could fetch a nice return.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 10, 2017 21:19:23 GMT -5
Since his batting average high of .285 on July 5th JBJ has:
Had 113 ABs with 23 hits, 4 Doubles, 2 HRs, 8 RBIs, Scored 9 Runs, Walked 6 times & Stuck Out 38 times
For a Batting Average of .204, An OBP of .248, Slugged .292 & an OPS of .540
From April 3rd through June 10th; In 151 ABs his BA was .232, his OBP was .328, his SLG was .437 & his OPS was .765 From June 10th through July 5th; In 99 ABs his BA was .364, his OBP was .427, his SLG was .566 & his OPS was .993
By Month he has a; AVG OBP SLG OPS April - .209 .271 .326 .596 May - .221 .341 .468 .808 June - .353 .431 .578 1.009 July - .231 .263 .333 .596 Aug ( so far) .192 .250 .308 .558
Just like last year, as a Hitter, he is excellent for about 100 ABs and even very good for about a total of 200 ABs. But, the rest of the time he is a dark hole in the line up. He is an EXCELLENT DEFENDER but I think the Sox should move him in the off season and get a better more consistent bat into this line up.
Doesn't seem fair for you to constantly say they should replace him, without saying who they should replace him with. I'd love to see who the upgrade would be and what the cost to acquire said upgrade would be.
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