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Post by texs31 on Jul 16, 2017 9:13:19 GMT -5
I think it's the full amount based on calculation charts I've seen.
Based on some tweets I've seen, Semi will get a deal similar to Nader. That would suggest that they'll stretch the dead money on Jackson (unless, of course, someone claims him and picks up the tab).
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Post by texs31 on Jul 16, 2017 9:32:51 GMT -5
So outstanding business would be: 1. Sign Yabu 2. Officially sign Baynes 3. Sign 2 2-way players (Allen and Bird?) 4. MAYBE an extension for Smart?  Of course, we'd all like to see a trade for more rebounding but that's where we're at. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2017 7:23:07 GMT -5
So the 15 man roster has pretty much come into focus and it's what I expected about 7-10 days ago:
Ball handlers:
1. Thomas
2. Smart
3. Rozier
Wings:
4. Hayward
5. Crowder ***
6. Brown
7. 'Tatum ***
8. Morris ***
9. 'Nader
10. 'Ojeleye ***
11. 'Theis (only sort of ?)
Bigs:
12. Horford
13. Baynes
14. 'Zizic
15. 'Yabusele
*** wings who can play a small ball 4.
' indicates a rookie
That leaves 6 rookies on the team. 4 of them do have professional experience tho and they all have NBA ready bodies. Tatum is the only one who you can really argue needs to add weight to his base (his upper body while lean is pretty strong tho).
Don't take this as I don't want them to "win now" but I'm firmly in the camp
of still building this team to a long term sustained championship window and I think having all these young guys and the currently imperfect roster is part of that process.
Are there too many wings and not enough ball handlers and rebounding bigs? No on the ballhandlers (I think 3 is enough to be honest) but yes on the bigs.
Would instill rather in 2017-2018 have Ojeleye and or Nader than a vet minimum big? No doubt. You have these guys for 4 years now at cheap money. If one of these guys takes a step towards being a good 3 and d prospect at their size and length and positional versatility then that's a huge asset for the team. You can either then comfortably trade Crowder in a package to consolidate assets or deal one of them in same type of deal.
One thing is for sure - if we have 3 first round picks next year (Including 2 too 5 picks) then a trade has to happen. But that's not a bad position to be in. One pet peeve of mine is the view point that you've wasted a pick if you end up getting rid of them for roster space like Hunter or Young. To me, I think it's valuable to get the competition in the gym and let the strong survive. Hunter and Young didn't work out but maybe Rozier is better for having to fight against them. Maybe those are bad examples but focus less on the players than the fact that I don't mind competition and letting things fall where they may.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2017 12:51:03 GMT -5
On a Smart extension only if it's very team friendly. The money is drying up faster than lake mead. Teams are being so stupid! Unless Smart explodes he will not get a huge offer next year. So my offer would be mid level money for 3-5 years. Not a dime more untill his shooting improves.
I have no clue how Young, Hunter, Mickey, Jackson or Bentil helped us with competition. How did they help more than guys like Green, Jerebko, Zeller and KO? A good Vet can offer up better competition and can teach the young players more. Overall only Young really upsets me as he was a higher pick. At this point we need to stay away from the super raw prospects in the draft. We just don't have the time, minutes or roster spots to develop them.
Danny can finally make deals without having to worry about cap space and this team needs a trade. No need to force one, but I would expect Danny to be highly active. Look at next year, you can love Nader and Ojeleye all you want but without a trade they will have a hard time making next years team. So I don't see the benefits of having them on the roster, when another Vet could help more.
I see no role for Nader, Ojeleye, Yabu or Theis. Cutting Theis for Green makes sense. You add shooting, instant offense and a solid vet.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 17, 2017 13:14:08 GMT -5
I agree with much of that except the conclusion. If Green (or any other wing not currently on the roster) is getting playing time, it means something is NOT going the way we'd like it to.
EDIT: Let me restate that. The conclusion is more of a "meh". I'm not going to lose sleep over not having Theis (though, to be clear, my understanding is that he's more of big than a wing so, I suppose, he technically fills more of a "need" - loosely)
Love to have Green back if a trade for a big costs multiple wings but otherwise . . .
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2017 15:57:03 GMT -5
On a Smart extension only if it's very team friendly. The money is drying up faster than lake mead. Teams are being so stupid! Unless Smart explodes he will not get a huge offer next year. So my offer would be mid level money for 3-5 years. Not a dime more untill his shooting improves. I have no clue how Young, Hunter, Mickey, Jackson or Bentil helped us with competition. How did they help more than guys like Green, Jerebko, Zeller and KO? A good Vet can offer up better competition and can teach the young players more. Overall only Young really upsets me as he was a higher pick. At this point we need to stay away from the super raw prospects in the draft. We just don't have the time, minutes or roster spots to develop them. Danny can finally make deals without having to worry about cap space and this team needs a trade. No need to force one, but I would expect Danny to be highly active. Look at next year, you can love Nader and Ojeleye all you want but without a trade they will have a hard time making next years team. So I don't see the benefits of having them on the roster, when another Vet could help more. I see no role for Nader, Ojeleye, Yabu or Theis. Cutting Theis for Green makes sense. You add shooting, instant offense and a solid vet. I meant having young guys competing can't hurt. Yes a vet can have competition as well, no question, but I don't mind having multitple young players with upside competing and seeing who works out. More bites at the proverbial apple. I have no problems cutting Theis for almost anyone because he's older and I know nothing about him. But I'd have a problem cutting Nader or Ojeleye even if they don't have a clear role next year due to their longer-term upside. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 17, 2017 15:59:56 GMT -5
Pierce signing with Boston today, per Celtics. He'll be retiring as a Celtic.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 17, 2017 17:23:08 GMT -5
Per Bobby Marks, the Cs will use the stretch provision on the guaranteed portion of Jackson's salary. This results in a cap hit of 93k for the next 7 years.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2017 17:27:35 GMT -5
Per Bobby Marks, the Cs will use the stretch provision on the guaranteed portion of Jackson's salary. This results in a cap hit of 93k for the next 7 years. Another quirky rule under the cap and cba of the NBA. I 2iups have no idea this existed unless someone brought it up. The rules under the cap in the NBA are endless. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 17, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -5
Sounds like it gives the a chance to give Semi more money in year 1, potentially buYing down the year 2 guarantee (Bernardoni suggesting this might be the case, anyway).
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Post by texs31 on Jul 18, 2017 13:48:06 GMT -5
1 yr, 1.5 for Willie Reed and the Clippers. Was interested in him and, unlike, Dedmon, we could've made that work.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 18, 2017 17:31:28 GMT -5
Reed got a minimum level deal, the money has dried up. Nice player, I just don't love the fit for Clippers with Jordan. Speights was a perfect fit for them last year. As he added shooting.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 18, 2017 20:52:05 GMT -5
Meant to say, prior to agreeing with Baynes, we could've made it work.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2017 6:53:57 GMT -5
Meant to say, prior to agreeing with Baynes, we could've made it work. Baynes seems like an interesting player tho; I'm interested to see him actually play. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 19, 2017 7:15:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't hate the signing at all. Nor am I going to lose sleep over not getting Reed. Just thought he'd be an interesting target when we had the room/exception.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 19, 2017 7:42:30 GMT -5
Tatum made second team Summer League stars and looked solid shooting and rebounding. I think his scoring will be in a more workmanlike manner.
Jackson is a fantastic athlete. He looks special just running the floor. I believe that he was voted to the first team. Surprise MVP was Ball, considering his awful first game. Kuzma also impressed for them. I think the Lakers have bottomed out and will surprise.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 19, 2017 11:36:43 GMT -5
So the 15 man roster has pretty much come into focus and it's what I expected about 7-10 days ago: Ball handlers: 1. Thomas 2. Smart 3. Rozier Wings: 4. Hayward 5. Crowder *** 6. Brown 7. 'Tatum *** 8. Morris *** 9. 'Nader 10. 'Ojeleye *** 11. 'Theis (only sort of ?) Bigs: 12. Horford 13. Baynes 14. 'Zizic 15. 'Yabusele *** wings who can play a small ball 4. ' indicates a rookie That leaves 6 rookies on the team. 4 of them do have professional experience tho and they all have NBA ready bodies. Tatum is the only one who you can really argue needs to add weight to his base (his upper body while lean is pretty strong tho). Don't take this as I don't want them to "win now" but I'm firmly in the camp of still building this team to a long term sustained championship window and I think having all these young guys and the currently imperfect roster is part of that process. Are there too many wings and not enough ball handlers and rebounding bigs? No on the ballhandlers (I think 3 is enough to be honest) but yes on the bigs. Would instill rather in 2017-2018 have Ojeleye and or Nader than a vet minimum big? No doubt. You have these guys for 4 years now at cheap money. If one of these guys takes a step towards being a good 3 and d prospect at their size and length and positional versatility then that's a huge asset for the team. You can either then comfortably trade Crowder in a package to consolidate assets or deal one of them in same type of deal. One thing is for sure - if we have 3 first round picks next year (Including 2 too 5 picks) then a trade has to happen. But that's not a bad position to be in. One pet peeve of mine is the view point that you've wasted a pick if you end up getting rid of them for roster space like Hunter or Young. To me, I think it's valuable to get the competition in the gym and let the strong survive. Hunter and Young didn't work out but maybe Rozier is better for having to fight against them. Maybe those are bad examples but focus less on the players than the fact that I don't mind competition and letting things fall where they may. Theis is a post, but everything else looks spot on. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 20, 2017 8:32:38 GMT -5
Apparently the Celtics signed Shane Larkin to an NBA comeback deal. He's giving up over 6m to take a league minimum deal. Makes me think he has some assurances he's making the roster or that he's confident he can just get that money if he doesn't make it. Not sure how that works.
It also makes me wonder what's going on with Yabu.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 20, 2017 11:36:53 GMT -5
Yabusele is still going to be signed, barring a huge change in plans.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 20, 2017 11:52:13 GMT -5
Theis also signed.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2017 7:56:56 GMT -5
So basically, on unexpected player is getting cut or they are making a trade.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 21, 2017 9:35:10 GMT -5
Does this mean no spot for Bird?
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Post by texs31 on Jul 21, 2017 10:50:09 GMT -5
You can have up to 20 in camp. It was the same with Perry Jones a couple of years ago. 16 guarantees for 15 spots. Worst case, someone gets cut and you have a little dead money.
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Post by giatree12 on Jul 21, 2017 15:21:38 GMT -5
So Kyrie has told Gilbert he wants out. Things are about to get real interesting in the Land
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 21, 2017 15:56:07 GMT -5
I just lost a ton of respect for Irving. Wants to be the man. So playing with the best player in the game is a bad thing? Then says he wants to go to Knicks, Heat, Spurs or Timberwolves. I just don't see how any of those teams can trade for him. You don't trade him for Melo and the Unicorn makes little sense given there roster.
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