wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 24, 2017 19:49:21 GMT -5
The pick right after him was Robinson. So that's a great pick compared to him. Ross? I think Waiters is better, more upside. Lillard was a small school guy wasn't he? Three teams missed out on him. Drummond had one of the worst seasons of a high recruit every. He wasn't very good. Barnes just had his first big season in year 5. That's using a lot of hindsight. He wasn't a great pick, but a good one. Edit- In my opinion you can look at Randle and Saric as guys we missed out on. Both were being talked about at the time. It all comes down to if Smart can improve his shot. Drummond did not have one of the worst seasons ever for a high recruit. And again, even if we pretend Waiters was a good pick (he wasn't), they either didn't develop him or keep him around long enough to see it pay off. Only two of the FIVE top 5 picks they had are still on the roster, and they have zero flexibility because of that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 24, 2017 19:54:16 GMT -5
Really? You responded to my comments. That's my opinion. You again don't mention Thompson. If you don't like it whatever. Compared to the way other teams have drafted they did a good job. They weren't the Kings for example. That's being dreadful.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 24, 2017 20:03:48 GMT -5
Gotta ask. How do Marcus Smart and Dion Waiters compare as good or bad draft picks? That's a tricky question as one has played for 3 teams and one has only played for one team. Waiters has looked good when the coaches use him right. For example his second season was very good. Then all the changes in Cleveland, then he was traded. Last year was a great year for him. His 3 point shot is a weapon. He was a starter on a playoff team. Not a very skilled team either. He was one of there leading scorers. Smart won't be a starter level player till he increases his shooting. From what I've seen I don't know if that happens. That's always been my issue with him. I can't think of a starter on a good team that is anything like him. He's not as skilled as a Rondo or Rubio. He's not even close to a Tony Allen level defender. Right now he's a good back-up pg that plays good D. Now like I have always said if Smart can improve his shoot my opinion will change. For the record can we please just move on from this? You know my opinions yet you always feel the need, along with others to keep bring this up. Really wasnt intending to provoke with that q. I think your responses make a lot of sense. For the record, my only issue with your take on Smart was a semantical one (use of the word bust). Otherwise your thoughts on what he is and what he needs to improve are hard to argue. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 24, 2017 20:04:41 GMT -5
The pick right after him was Robinson. So that's a great pick compared to him. Ross? I think Waiters is better, more upside. Lillard was a small school guy wasn't he? Three teams missed out on him. Drummond had one of the worst seasons of a high recruit every. He wasn't very good. Barnes just had his first big season in year 5. That's using a lot of hindsight. He wasn't a great pick, but a good one. Edit- In my opinion you can look at Randle and Saric as guys we missed out on. Both were being talked about at the time. It all comes down to if Smart can improve his shot. Drummond did not have one of the worst seasons ever for a high recruit. And again, even if we pretend Waiters was a good pick (he wasn't), they either didn't develop him or keep him around long enough to see it pay off. Only two of the FIVE top 5 picks they had are still on the roster, and they have zero flexibility because of that. He averaged 10 points and 7.6 rebounds and had games were he just didn't have any effect in. He was a big disappointment. He was seen as one of the best C prospects in years. They got LeBron and wanted to compete. They traded Waiters for JR Smith. Wiggins and Bennett for Love. Three straight finals latter. Yea they did a terrible job. SMH. If that's bad, I would hate to think what you think good is. What only the Warriors? The bad moves were there later ones like giving up all there first round picks and not developing young talent. Thing is LeBron is mostly the reason for that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2017 7:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2017 15:34:45 GMT -5
Brooklyn finally gets Crabbe (in exchange for Andrew Nicholson).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2017 16:15:11 GMT -5
I said Crabbe's deal was going to be bad. Portland is exactly lucky the Nets made this deal. Still Portland is eating 20 million over 7 years to make him go away. The funny thing is that Leonards deal was even worse.
I can't firgure out what the Nets are doing. They had a nice chance to make a run at some restricted free agents, but didn't. Plumlee could have really helped them for example. I don't see Denver matching a decent contract for him after getting Millsap.
Rumors ard they have scouted Sullinger and might sign him. I really hope they don't. He could really help there weak frontcourt. It's going to be interesting to watch them next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 26, 2017 6:08:45 GMT -5
lol Sullinger.... guy is fat and had screws put in his foot then couldn't stick on a team after he was cleared. His days are done...
Nets will be interesting tho that's for sure. Crabbe has good shooting percentages but Portland was a lot worse when he played. Hopefully, that trend continues.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 26, 2017 6:30:54 GMT -5
NetsDaily.com thought he was going to China yesterday.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2017 4:44:45 GMT -5
No hip surgery for IT. That actually doesn't make me feel better about the situation. I'd rather just get this fixed. If this lingers all season, I don't know how you can give him a max contract or even close to it.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2017 9:15:42 GMT -5
Miami reportedly offering (or willing to deal) Dragic and Winslow for Irving.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 28, 2017 10:37:21 GMT -5
No hip surgery for IT. That actually doesn't make me feel better about the situation. I'd rather just get this fixed. If this lingers all season, I don't know how you can give him a max contract or even close to it. Well that's fair unless he's healed with therapy and rehab - I'm not a doctor, but I'd imagine that's perfectly possible and I doubt he would say no to surgery in the offseason if he actually needed it to heal |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 31, 2017 11:50:19 GMT -5
#1 2019 Prospect RJ Barrett reclassifies to 2018. If Bagley does too (and everyone lives up to expectation), the 2018 draft could be VERY deep at the top.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2017 12:15:15 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if Danny should have looked at top 8 protection, not top 5.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 31, 2017 13:00:46 GMT -5
If I am the Celtics, I would offer the Cavs Isaah, Brown, and the Lakers pick and see if they bite for the offer for Irving.
That's probably the best package they could get for him.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 31, 2017 13:06:16 GMT -5
But Brown + a potential Top 5 pick for the improvement between Isaiah and Kyrie?? I just think those assets should be used to improve on something we don't have anything close to.
If that isn't available, I'd rather bank on the young guys (including Brown) improving and/or wait until something IS available.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 31, 2017 13:56:38 GMT -5
If I am the Celtics, I would offer the Cavs Isaah, Brown, and the Lakers pick and see if they bite for the offer for Irving. That's probably the best package they could get for him. Like the idea but, it does not address rebounding, which is what they need he most. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 31, 2017 14:00:55 GMT -5
#1 2019 Prospect RJ Barrett reclassifies to 2018. If Bagley does too (and everyone lives up to expectation), the 2018 draft could be VERY deep at the top. If I am Danny I do not trade any of the 1st rounders, especially next year. 8 to 10 VERY good prospects, maybe 3 or 4 elite players. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 1, 2017 10:56:37 GMT -5
So I misspoke. Looks like Barrett reclass makes him eligible for 2019 draft (instead of 2020). Bagley would be for 2018 draft if he's reclassified.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 2, 2017 2:01:50 GMT -5
But Brown + a potential Top 5 pick for the improvement between Isaiah and Kyrie?? I just think those assets should be used to improve on something we don't have anything close to. If that isn't available, I'd rather bank on the young guys (including Brown) improving and/or wait until something IS available. I don't think Isaah will be Isaah next year, due to the hip. I'm not sure if I'm sold on Brown too (though he does have the talent to turn into a superstar, I admit). Irving is a superstar and is controllable and he's 25. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2017 11:54:27 GMT -5
We only get Lakers pick if it's 2-5. Right now I would say you might have a 20% chance at getting that pick. Heck that might be high. The Lakers have added a lot of talent. Now injuries could happen, maybe the players don't gel or something like that happens. With other teams tanking, the Lakers just don't look that bad. They also want to win to attract free agents next year.
Then if you don't get the Lakers pick we get the Kings the following year. The Kings have done a decent job adding talent. Give that team two years to Gel add another lottery pick next year. They don't look like a bottom 5 team to me. Again they would have no reason to tank. They also added a bunch of Vets.
I almost think Danny out smarted himself here. We are going to get a lottery pick most likely, but it sure looks like it could be more in the range of 7-10, not top 5 pick. With next years class I would rather have had a top 8 or 9 Lakers pick than hoping the Kings suck in 2019.
So for me the Nets pick is something I don't trade, I would trade the Lakers pick in the right deal.
Is Irving the right deal? That is a very hard question. He is an upgrade over Thomas going forward. He still has upside. He can still improve his D for example. Thomas is maxed out. So you have to at least look at making a trade. I wouldn't trade Brown and the Lakers pick, along with Thomas though. Nevermind the salaries don't match.
Thomas, Brown and let's say Yabu for Irving. I might do that. Maybe add a late first round pick if that's what it takes. The only thing is that Irving has to want to play in Boston. If he leaves in two years it could be bad.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 2, 2017 12:14:18 GMT -5
But Brown + a potential Top 5 pick for the improvement between Isaiah and Kyrie?? I just think those assets should be used to improve on something we don't have anything close to. If that isn't available, I'd rather bank on the young guys (including Brown) improving and/or wait until something IS available. I don't think Isaah will be Isaah next year, due to the hip. I'm not sure if I'm sold on Brown too (though he does have the talent to turn into a superstar, I admit). Irving is a superstar and is controllable and he's 25. I agree with this. Brown does not seem to be able to shoot well. Maybe you teach, but from my experience most of shooting is you either have or not. Not saying you can not improve it with practice, IT has hit probably the high water mark. Hip could be the start down the slippery slope. If this package gets Irving, then I say go for it. Still need rebounding. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 2, 2017 12:15:56 GMT -5
We only get Lakers pick if it's 2-5. Right now I would say you might have a 20% chance at getting that pick. Heck that might be high. The Lakers have added a lot of talent. Now injuries could happen, maybe the players don't gel or something like that happens. With other teams tanking, the Lakers just don't look that bad. They also want to win to attract free agents next year. Then if you don't get the Lakers pick we get the Kings the following year. The Kings have done a decent job adding talent. Give that team two years to Gel add another lottery pick next year. They don't look like a bottom 5 team to me. Again they would have no reason to tank. They also added a bunch of Vets. I almost think Danny out smarted himself here. We are going to get a lottery pick most likely, but it sure looks like it could be more in the range of 7-10, not top 5 pick. With next years class I would rather have had a top 8 or 9 Lakers pick than hoping the Kings suck in 2019. So for me the Nets pick is something I don't trade, I would trade the Lakers pick in the right deal. Is Irving the right deal? That is a very hard question. He is an upgrade over Thomas going forward. He still has upside. He can still improve his D for example. Thomas is maxed out. So you have to at least look at making a trade. I wouldn't trade Brown and the Lakers pick, along with Thomas though. Nevermind the salaries don't match. Thomas, Brown and let's say Yabu for Irving. I might do that. Maybe add a late first round pick if that's what it takes. The only thing is that Irving has to want to play in Boston. If he leaves in two years it could be bad. Key words here irving has GOT TO WANT to play in Boston. Not exactly sure he fits into Brad's system. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 2, 2017 14:28:10 GMT -5
Irving is a guy you build your system around. Brad Stevens would have a easy time fitting Irving on this team.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 5, 2017 7:53:44 GMT -5
Why in the world are we talking about Kyrie? The Celtics don't want to trade for him.
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