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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 6:41:54 GMT -5
Per reports the Celtics have inquired about Irving. Which makes sense. Anytime a young player with Irvings skill hits the trade market the Celtics should be interested.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 6, 2017 8:48:44 GMT -5
That's called doing their due diligence. Ainge also likes trying to be the third team in these deals, so who knows if they were successful targeting Kyrie specifically.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 6, 2017 9:24:12 GMT -5
Phoenix supposedly willing to offer Bledsoe, Bender and Miami's first
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 6, 2017 9:30:07 GMT -5
We only get Lakers pick if it's 2-5. Right now I would say you might have a 20% chance at getting that pick. Heck that might be high. The Lakers have added a lot of talent. Now injuries could happen, maybe the players don't gel or something like that happens. With other teams tanking, the Lakers just don't look that bad. They also want to win to attract free agents next year. Then if you don't get the Lakers pick we get the Kings the following year. The Kings have done a decent job adding talent. Give that team two years to Gel add another lottery pick next year. They don't look like a bottom 5 team to me. Again they would have no reason to tank. They also added a bunch of Vets. I almost think Danny out smarted himself here. We are going to get a lottery pick most likely, but it sure looks like it could be more in the range of 7-10, not top 5 pick. With next years class I would rather have had a top 8 or 9 Lakers pick than hoping the Kings suck in 2019. So for me the Nets pick is something I don't trade, I would trade the Lakers pick in the right deal. Is Irving the right deal? That is a very hard question. He is an upgrade over Thomas going forward. He still has upside. He can still improve his D for example. Thomas is maxed out. So you have to at least look at making a trade. I wouldn't trade Brown and the Lakers pick, along with Thomas though. Nevermind the salaries don't match. Thomas, Brown and let's say Yabu for Irving. I might do that. Maybe add a late first round pick if that's what it takes. The only thing is that Irving has to want to play in Boston. If he leaves in two years it could be bad. How could Danny predict that far in the future on wether to get 2-8 rather than 2-5, maybe he tried and couldn't get that either way he still deserves and "A" for the hoarding of draft picks.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 6, 2017 9:41:28 GMT -5
But Brown + a potential Top 5 pick for the improvement between Isaiah and Kyrie?? I just think those assets should be used to improve on something we don't have anything close to. If that isn't available, I'd rather bank on the young guys (including Brown) improving and/or wait until something IS available. I don't think Isaah will be Isaah next year, due to the hip. I'm not sure if I'm sold on Brown too (though he does have the talent to turn into a superstar, I admit). Irving is a superstar and is controllable and he's 25. IF IT is not IT next year it would be because of the hip and therefore a deal would not happen because the med reports would catch it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 18:39:39 GMT -5
That's called doing their due diligence. Ainge also likes trying to be the third team in these deals, so who knows if they were successful targeting Kyrie specifically. No one knows anything for sure, just reports that Danny has called the Cavs about Irving. Hence why we are talking about. We certainly don't know that Danny doesn't want to trade for Irving. Knowing Danny I don't buy that. More like if he can get Irving for a good price, he trades for him. I love Thomas, but if we are talking long-term Irving is a better bet. The type of player you don't mind giving a 5 year max deal. It's a long-shot, but that's why we are talking about it. Irving is a special player. A guy Bradley said was easily the hardest guy to guard in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 18:52:46 GMT -5
We only get Lakers pick if it's 2-5. Right now I would say you might have a 20% chance at getting that pick. Heck that might be high. The Lakers have added a lot of talent. Now injuries could happen, maybe the players don't gel or something like that happens. With other teams tanking, the Lakers just don't look that bad. They also want to win to attract free agents next year. Then if you don't get the Lakers pick we get the Kings the following year. The Kings have done a decent job adding talent. Give that team two years to Gel add another lottery pick next year. They don't look like a bottom 5 team to me. Again they would have no reason to tank. They also added a bunch of Vets. I almost think Danny out smarted himself here. We are going to get a lottery pick most likely, but it sure looks like it could be more in the range of 7-10, not top 5 pick. With next years class I would rather have had a top 8 or 9 Lakers pick than hoping the Kings suck in 2019. So for me the Nets pick is something I don't trade, I would trade the Lakers pick in the right deal. Is Irving the right deal? That is a very hard question. He is an upgrade over Thomas going forward. He still has upside. He can still improve his D for example. Thomas is maxed out. So you have to at least look at making a trade. I wouldn't trade Brown and the Lakers pick, along with Thomas though. Nevermind the salaries don't match. Thomas, Brown and let's say Yabu for Irving. I might do that. Maybe add a late first round pick if that's what it takes. The only thing is that Irving has to want to play in Boston. If he leaves in two years it could be bad. How could Danny predict that far in the future on wether to get 2-8 rather than 2-5, maybe he tried and couldn't get that either way he still deserves and "A" for the hoarding of draft picks. Why couldn't he? I predicted an issue the minute the deal was made. Sure you couldn't predict ever move, but the Lakers were going to be better. They added a great young player in Ball, other young players getting better and you knew they were trying to win. They have zero reason to tank next year. Magic was brought in to win and set up the team for 2018 free agency. All reports have said Danny was the one to set the protections to make sure he got a high pick. The Sixers obviously added the #1 pick protection. Sure Danny has done a great job hoarding picks. I just think he might have out smarted himself this time. 2018 was a highly rated draft, so why not just get the Lakers pick next year?
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Post by texs31 on Aug 9, 2017 7:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 9, 2017 14:15:47 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense. The money has dried up, only elite restricted free agents are getting offers. So we have two years to see how Smart develops before having to deside about giving him a long term deal. Unless he wants a very team friendly deal, no extension for you.
Teams are going to have a hard time for the next couple of years. Agents will want 2016 money for there players and teams will want current market prices.
Makes you wonder why the players union didn't want a step up increase like the league wanted. It would have helped more players get more money. Rather than just the 2016 class being grossly overpaid. Then this huge market correction we are currently going through. Nevermind how dumb so many teams were, like Portland. I love our GM, overpaying Zeller on basically a one year deal. It was brilliant.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 9, 2017 18:15:38 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense. The money has dried up, only elite restricted free agents are getting offers. So we have two years to see how Smart develops before having to deside about giving him a long term deal. Unless he wants a very team friendly deal, no extension for you. Teams are going to have a hard time for the next couple of years. Agents will want 2016 money for there players and teams will want current market prices. Makes you wonder why the players union didn't want a step up increase like the league wanted. It would have helped more players get more money. Rather than just the 2016 class being grossly overpaid. Then this huge market correction we are currently going through. Nevermind how dumb so many teams were, like Portland. I love our GM, overpaying Zeller on basically a one year deal. It was brilliant. You can thank LeBron and co for that. (And by you, I mean they)
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Post by texs31 on Aug 11, 2017 15:10:30 GMT -5
Jabari Bird signed to a 2-way deal (as many suspected he would). So they have 16 guaranteed contracts (for 15 spots) and 2 two-way deals (Allen and Bird).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 25, 2017 6:30:44 GMT -5
Now that the Celtics have 14 guaranteed contracts after the trade, I'd like to see the Celtics add another Center possibly on a veteran minimum level deal.
Maybe Tyler Zeller wants to come back for that?
He would be a great option to round out the bench and he knows Brad Stevens system obviously.
They got enough guards and forwards imo. Need some depth at the big man position, especially after losing Zicic in the trade.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2017 22:35:26 GMT -5
They brought in Thomas Robinson for a workout. Some reports think they will sign him if the deal goes through. I like it. Robinson can really rebound.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 29, 2017 0:18:29 GMT -5
They brought in Thomas Robinson for a workout. Some reports think they will sign him if the deal goes through. I like it. Robinson can really rebound. I'd take anything the Celtics can get with the rebounding issues being a glaring hole on this team. It's their only real weakness on this team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2017 8:00:34 GMT -5
If we want to talk about rotations, adding a player to the roster and all that it should probably go back in this thread.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 9:51:23 GMT -5
If we want to talk about rotations, adding a player to the roster and all that it should probably go back in this thread. Ok sounds good to me. Is it correct that the Celtic's now have 2 spots open on the roster?
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 31, 2017 10:14:08 GMT -5
How good is Theis? Can he jump? Can he rebound, shot block, shoot at the NBA level, range? Is he better-worse than Zizic?
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 10:32:34 GMT -5
They brought in Thomas Robinson for a workout. Some reports think they will sign him if the deal goes through. I like it. Robinson can really rebound. I'd take anything the Celtics can get with the rebounding issues being a glaring hole on this team. It's their only real weakness on this team. Robinson certainly will help with the rebounds. Is Bogut still in play with the Celtic's?
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2017 10:45:59 GMT -5
One question I have on Robinson and/or Bogut is how much time would we expect them to get and how much impact would they provide in that time?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2017 12:00:55 GMT -5
How good is Theis? Can he jump? Can he rebound, shot block, shoot at the NBA level, range? Is he better-worse than Zizic? Zizic was a top international prospect that put up very good numbers at a young age. Theis wasn't drafted, not even in second round. I can't find any scouting reports, so he wasn't even close to getting drafted. From the little I know he seems like an energy big. He's kind of an unknown.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2017 12:12:14 GMT -5
One question I have on Robinson and/or Bogut is how much time would we expect them to get and how much impact would they provide in that time? With Baynes on the team I want Robinson. I want the younger, more athletic player. I also still think Robinson has some upside left. I think he can become a very good defensive player and he can really rebound. I don't expect him to play a lot unless we have injuries. Last year in 11.7 mins he averaged 5 points and 4.6 rebounds. He had a 17.3 PER and a 21.8 TRB%. That rebounding % is better than any player we had last year by a good amount. He is the type of player we needed last year for the backend of our bench.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 31, 2017 12:24:06 GMT -5
Big question with Robinson is that he averaged 11.7 mins in an ungodly awful Lakers team and before that he averaged less than 13 minutes in an even worse Nets team. He can't get playing time in legendarily awful teams? I'd take Bogut all day erryday, Al should be a 4 anyway.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2017 12:49:18 GMT -5
Who's the better player right now Boguts or Robinson? It's Boguts. I look at Baynes as a younger version of Boguts though. So for me it's do you want two similar players in todays NBA? Robinson is a smaller way more athletic player, yet he can hold his own at center rebounding. Let Steven's coach him up. The other huge factor is at this point Boguts will most likely not stay healthy and won't be available for the playoffs. It keeps happening year after year. If we didn't have Baynes I would like Boguts, but not now.
Robinson is a specialist right now. A great rebounder and ok defender. He is very limited offensively. A very bad FT shooter. A guy that doesn't have a high floor. So why would a rebuilding team play him a ton of minutes? I see upside, but it's that of a good role player. So it makes sense the Lakers would play the younger guys like Randle and Nance Jr. They didn't want to win games either. It was all about developing their young players.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 31, 2017 14:29:50 GMT -5
This team is looking to win this year now with the trade. For that reason alone, I'd want Bogut.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 15:53:54 GMT -5
This team is looking to win this year now with the trade. For that reason alone, I'd want Bogut. We definitely NEED rebounding, so bogut sounds good. Too bad we could not get Tyson C from the suns.
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