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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 31, 2017 16:15:32 GMT -5
Robinson is a specialist right now. A great rebounder and ok defender. He is very limited offensively. A very bad FT shooter. A guy that doesn't have a high floor. So why would a rebuilding team play him a ton of minutes? I see upside, but it's that of a good role player. So it makes sense the Lakers would play the younger guys like Randle and Nance Jr. They didn't want to win games either. It was all about developing their young players. Yeah, but what about the Nets? They didn't have any incentive to lose. I like Robinson, I liked him before he was drafted. I look at his numbers and I see the potential. And yet I can't stop wondering why he wasn't given more time on terrible teams with little to lose. You're right that Bogut and Baynes are similar, but I don't see that as a bad thing. I wouldn't mind them as a center tag team kind of like GS used Zaza and Javale last season. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 31, 2017 16:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2017 16:52:23 GMT -5
Robinson is a specialist right now. A great rebounder and ok defender. He is very limited offensively. A very bad FT shooter. A guy that doesn't have a high floor. So why would a rebuilding team play him a ton of minutes? I see upside, but it's that of a good role player. So it makes sense the Lakers would play the younger guys like Randle and Nance Jr. They didn't want to win games either. It was all about developing their young players. Yeah, but what about the Nets? They didn't have any incentive to lose. I like Robinson, I liked him before he was drafted. I look at his numbers and I see the potential. And yet I can't stop wondering why he wasn't given more time on terrible teams with little to lose. You're right that Bogut and Baynes are similar, but I don't see that as a bad thing. I wouldn't mind them as a center tag team kind of like GS used Zaza and Javale last season. That Nets team had Brook Lopez and Thad Young playing 33 plus minutes a night. Willie Reed played a lot less than Thomas did for example. Looking at minutes on rebuilding teams is almost meaningless. For example Reed's low minutes and games played told you a lot less than his impressive advanced stats. Last year on the Heat he got more minutes and was a very productive player. It's kinda splitting hairs, as both Robinson and Boguts will help us in different ways. They can both rebound at a very high level. Robinson while not very good on offense is better than Boguts. Boguts kills your offense. At the same time Boguts is very good at rim protection and blocking shots. Boguts also is a center only, you can't play small ball with him. He can only defend slower centers. Robinson can guard both positions. Robinson seems to be improving and Boguts advanced stats tanked last year. The last two years Boguts got injured and he's now going into his age 33 season. So for me it's Robinson. The main reason is Boguts always getting hurt before or during the playoffs. When you need him the most. I just can't trust him to stay healthy. So I pick the younger player, who I also think fits our system better. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2017 19:31:17 GMT -5
Theis is older than Zizic, he's likely more ready to play now with his international resume. He's supposedly been a late bloomer who's just gotten better and better. Expecting more than a solid role player like a Jerebko (different role but similar) impact is expecting too much.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2017 19:32:56 GMT -5
If we want to talk about rotations, adding a player to the roster and all that it should probably go back in this thread. Ok sounds good to me. Is it correct that the Celtic's now have 2 spots open on the roster? One spot... had 16 minus 3 plus 1 equals 14 |
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 1, 2017 4:17:42 GMT -5
Ok sounds good to me. Is it correct that the Celtic's now have 2 spots open on the roster? One spot... had 16 minus 3 plus 1 equals 14 Ok thanks. So we are looking at adding either robinson or bogut not both. We definitely need rebounding. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 1, 2017 5:15:57 GMT -5
Personally I think this is how I think the starting lineup looks like at the start of the season-
Irving
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford
At the end of the year, I think Tatum will be starting most games or getting starter minutes. They'll work him in slowly I think. So many possibilities though. I haven't been this excited for a season since Garnett came to town.
Edit- Against teams with opposing starting Centers, I can see Baynes starting or even Bogut starting (if the Celtics sign him).
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2017 7:37:49 GMT -5
There are so many things to watch this year. A ridiculous amount of first and second year players. Brown, Tatum, Semi, Nader, Yabusele and even Theis.
Hayward joining the team - the guy we've been waiting for for two years now.
And obviously Kyrie. However, I'm most interested in seeing how Stevens coaches. We know he's a very good coach and players love him overall but this is his moment. Kyrie Irving has top 10 NBA super star potential. He's 25 and at the prime age to take the step towards stardom. (glimpses of him saying the right things show he seems to know what he needs to do to become the star and he's clearly asked to be). A coach can't make a player be something he's not, but he can sure help drag it out of him. Kyrie needs to play in the Celtics motion passing offense and he needs to put forth effort on defense; I understand why Danny wanted him so bad - i love the player and this reminds me a little of when Houston got Harden.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2017 8:59:08 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3.
The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster.
For me with Irving and his driving you want a 3 point shooter. Like Bradley was for Thomas. The 3 candidates for me are Brown, Rozier and Smart. Thing is last year none of the 3 were good 3 point shooters. So it will be very interesting who steps up to claim that spot. You can make a case for all 3 in my opinion.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 1, 2017 9:29:31 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. For me with Irving and his driving you want a 3 point shooter. Like Bradley was for Thomas. The 3 candidates for me are Brown, Rozier and Smart. Thing is last year none of the 3 were good 3 point shooters. So it will be very interesting who steps up to claim that spot. You can make a case for all 3 in my opinion. Rozier is not a SG. It'll be either Jaylen or Smart - preferably Jaylen so Smart can continue subbing for multiple positions. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 1, 2017 10:27:58 GMT -5
Agree with concerns about 3P shooting and spacing (won't agree on the position thing but, no need to revisit).
Keys for me on that front would be:
1. Morris proving that he's more the 36-38% 3P shooter of the past than the 33% of last year.
2. Brown or Smart or whomever the 5th starter is being a more consistent threat from 3 than Amir Johnson was (not even worried about % per se bc AJ only made 66 attempts).
If those 2 things can be true than your overall shooting and spacing can be better or, at least, as good as last year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2017 10:48:18 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown is the best three point shooter of the group and it's not even close
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 1, 2017 11:11:06 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. Hayward is a legit star in the league and Tatum hasn't played a single minute. I think it's pretty clearly Irving - Hayward - Al - Tatum right now which could change if Tatum turns out to be legit. Quite a talented group there. Hayward can very reasonably play both the SG and the SF position. I think it depends on which of Tatum and Brown begins the season better. Tatum can play the 3 and you slide Hayward to the 2, or leave Hayward at the 3 and play Brown as the other guard. I hope they don't pull some weirdness like starting Smart because I like his value coming out of the bench better. I also hope they don't go small like Tatum at the 4 and Horford at the 5, they need to go big because Horford is a liability guarding the paint. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 1, 2017 15:23:50 GMT -5
 N-not here senpai (≧◡≦) ♡ |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 1, 2017 15:30:02 GMT -5
N-not here senpai (≧◡≦) ♡ Can you feel the love tonight? Lol. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2017 16:38:09 GMT -5
Great point in the presser when Heyward talked about Kyrie recruiting him to come to Cleveland and then Lebron signing "squashed that."
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Post by bookiemetts on Sept 1, 2017 23:17:33 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. For me with Irving and his driving you want a 3 point shooter. Like Bradley was for Thomas. The 3 candidates for me are Brown, Rozier and Smart. Thing is last year none of the 3 were good 3 point shooters. So it will be very interesting who steps up to claim that spot. You can make a case for all 3 in my opinion. The SG starter is going to be Brown. You bring Smart and TRo off the bench for some playmaking and defense. It's also a little premature I think to put Tatum as your #2 scorer. Both Kyrie and Hayward are pretty efficient scorers in pretty high volumes. Kyrie: 25.2 pts on 47.3/40.1/90.5% shooting. He will likely shoot more 3s in Boston too, so his eFG% will go up. Hayward: 21.9 pts on 47.1/39.8/84.4% shooting. I think the chances Tatum reaches that production or efficiency are close to 0%. I think the starting lineup looks like: Irving / Brown / Hayward / Horford / Baynes. Baynes will be like Amir last year and will sit quickly. The crunch-time lineup will be Irving / [Brown or Smart] / Hayward / Morris / Horford My huge concern would be a Horford injury. If he goes down your big men are Baynes and Morris, and that's it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2017 23:23:02 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. For me with Irving and his driving you want a 3 point shooter. Like Bradley was for Thomas. The 3 candidates for me are Brown, Rozier and Smart. Thing is last year none of the 3 were good 3 point shooters. So it will be very interesting who steps up to claim that spot. You can make a case for all 3 in my opinion. The SG starter is going to be Brown. You bring Smart and TRo off the bench for some playmaking and defense. It's also a little premature I think to put Tatum as your #2 scorer. Both Kyrie and Hayward are pretty efficient scorers in pretty high volumes. Kyrie: 25.2 pts on 47.3/40.1/90.5% shooting. He will likely shoot more 3s in Boston too, so his eFG% will go up. Hayward: 21.9 pts on 47.1/39.8/84.4% shooting. I think the chances Tatum reaches that production or efficiency are close to 0%. I think the starting lineup looks like: Irving / Brown / Hayward / Horford / Baynes. Baynes will be like Amir last year and will sit quickly. The crunch-time lineup will be Irving / [Brown or Smart] / Hayward / Morris / Horford My huge concern would be a Horford injury. If he goes down your big men are Baynes and Morris, and that's it. Rip was talking about what to watch for, those are my top three things I want to watch, not a ranking of the players. It's very premature to say Brown is the starter. He showed in summer league he is still a work in progress. We got the great game and some bad ones. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2017 23:24:25 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. For me with Irving and his driving you want a 3 point shooter. Like Bradley was for Thomas. The 3 candidates for me are Brown, Rozier and Smart. Thing is last year none of the 3 were good 3 point shooters. So it will be very interesting who steps up to claim that spot. You can make a case for all 3 in my opinion. Rozier is not a SG. It'll be either Jaylen or Smart - preferably Jaylen so Smart can continue subbing for multiple positions. Why not? He played SG 27% of the time last year. He is more of a scorer than Smart and a better shooter. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2017 23:25:58 GMT -5
Irving becoming our go to scorer has to be #1 for me. A close second is Tatum. Then Hayward which is funny. A top 30 player is #3. The big question mark is SG. Please don't tell me how Stevens labels players either. Before the trade I was convinced that Brad would start both Crowder and Hayward. Now it's more interesting. We really don't have a SG on the roster. Hayward is a legit star in the league and Tatum hasn't played a single minute. I think it's pretty clearly Irving - Hayward - Al - Tatum right now which could change if Tatum turns out to be legit. Quite a talented group there. Hayward can very reasonably play both the SG and the SF position. I think it depends on which of Tatum and Brown begins the season better. Tatum can play the 3 and you slide Hayward to the 2, or leave Hayward at the 3 and play Brown as the other guard. I hope they don't pull some weirdness like starting Smart because I like his value coming out of the bench better. I also hope they don't go small like Tatum at the 4 and Horford at the 5, they need to go big because Horford is a liability guarding the paint. Again ranking of what I want to watch, not a player ranking. I've seen a bunch of Hayward, I'm more excited to watch Tatum. I haven't seen enough of him though to know if he can play SG for major minutes. Per Basketball Refrence the last 4 years he played 2%, 0%, 12% and 0% at SG. His high was 27% 5 years ago. Offense won't be the issue, it will be defensively if there is an issue. We'll see, it will be very interesting as there are a bunch of different combinations that Steven's could use. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Sept 1, 2017 23:29:23 GMT -5
Rip was talking about what to watch for, those are my top three things I want to watch, not a ranking of the players. It's very premature to say Brown is the starter. He showed in summer league he is still a work in progress. We got the great game and some bad ones. Ah, yikes, my bad lol. I think it will be interesting to see how Brad works with these "isolation" scorers in Kyrie and Tatum. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 1, 2017 23:48:14 GMT -5
Rozier is not a SG. It'll be either Jaylen or Smart - preferably Jaylen so Smart can continue subbing for multiple positions. Why not? He played SG 27% of the time last year. He is more of a scorer than Smart and a better shooter. We know what you think when it comes to Marcus Smart. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2017 23:58:21 GMT -5
Why not? He played SG 27% of the time last year. He is more of a scorer than Smart and a better shooter. We know what you think when it comes to Marcus Smart. That's not a dig at Smart. Rozier is a great athlete. In the playoffs last year he started to show you his upside. When it comes to scoring, Rozier can do things Smart just can't. Smart is much better at running the team and other things, but not scoring when compared to Rozier. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 2, 2017 6:38:43 GMT -5
We know what you think when it comes to Marcus Smart. That's not a dig at Smart. Rozier is a great athlete. In the playoffs last year he started to show you his upside. When it comes to scoring, Rozier can do things Smart just can't. Smart is much better at running the team and other things, but not scoring when compared to Rozier. Rozier has shown us his promise the last 2 post seasons. He's still young so there's hope for him but I definitely would have liked to see more improvement in regular seasons. He's been part of a logjam tho so maybe he gets an opportunity he didn't have in years past. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 2, 2017 6:41:44 GMT -5
Hayward is a legit star in the league and Tatum hasn't played a single minute. I think it's pretty clearly Irving - Hayward - Al - Tatum right now which could change if Tatum turns out to be legit. Quite a talented group there. Hayward can very reasonably play both the SG and the SF position. I think it depends on which of Tatum and Brown begins the season better. Tatum can play the 3 and you slide Hayward to the 2, or leave Hayward at the 3 and play Brown as the other guard. I hope they don't pull some weirdness like starting Smart because I like his value coming out of the bench better. I also hope they don't go small like Tatum at the 4 and Horford at the 5, they need to go big because Horford is a liability guarding the paint. Again ranking of what I want to watch, not a player ranking. I've seen a bunch of Hayward, I'm more excited to watch Tatum. I haven't seen enough of him though to know if he can play SG for major minutes. Per Basketball Refrence the last 4 years he played 2%, 0%, 12% and 0% at SG. His high was 27% 5 years ago. Offense won't be the issue, it will be defensively if there is an issue. We'll see, it will be very interesting as there are a bunch of different combinations that Steven's could use. Are you talking about Tatum or Hayward? |
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