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Post by manfred on Jul 8, 2017 10:44:46 GMT -5
Can you warm up someone else? Matt Barnes? Whatever I'll take it at this point. When Hembree doesn't have it, he really doesn't have it. Hembree has been brutal lately. Might be too much hair product. Why wasn't Kelly brought instead of Hembree who should only be used in blowout games. I like Hembree, but if the starter gives 6 innings, isn't the idea to go Barnes, Kelly, Kimbrel? Or Kelly, Barnes, Kimbrel? That said, looking at some of the games and innings in the bullpen, I am worried about late-season fatigue or breakdown. Getting Smith back would be absolutely huge.
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Post by jchang on Jul 8, 2017 12:25:49 GMT -5
Shaw hbp, next batter 3r hr, some may like Shaw's obp, but I think he prefers to smack the ball
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Post by soxjim on Jul 8, 2017 12:26:32 GMT -5
Hembree has been brutal lately. Might be too much hair product. Why wasn't Kelly brought instead of Hembree who should only be used in blowout games. I like Hembree, but if the starter gives 6 innings, isn't the idea to go Barnes, Kelly, Kimbrel? Or Kelly, Barnes, Kimbrel? That said, looking at some of the games and innings in the bullpen, I am worried about late-season fatigue or breakdown. Getting Smith back would be absolutely huge. I have said before that I think some here are way offbase with their anti-Barnes. Barnes is pretty good. And if anyone is suggesting Hembree over Barnes I couldn't disagree more.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 8, 2017 12:32:09 GMT -5
Farrell always rides the hell out of his favorite relievers ans burns them out.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 8, 2017 12:48:58 GMT -5
Farrell always rides the hell out of his favorite relievers ans burns them out. And he gets death threats in the mail when he pitches anyone but the most optimal pitcher in anything less than a 6 run game. The guy can't win.
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Post by soxjim on Jul 8, 2017 12:50:14 GMT -5
" like our chances for really opening up a big lead in the 2nd half!" ______________________- If ownership feels that way they have to go for it. Making the playoffs isn't enough (see '16 results). As good as the record is I don't power rate the team that high. I'm concerned about middle-order power and the potential for a tepid Hanley to fadeout or get inj in second half. We'll know more around the deadline but standing pat isn't the way to go if Price continues to improve and ERod gets it going again.
Great to get the win tonight and we now need 1/2 for the split which will end first half nicely. The Hr's were big. RAys are tough. What does "go for it" mean? Trade the entire farm system for a 2 month rental 3b power hitter? Trade more of the farm for another reliever? And totally blast the farm from existence by getting another hitter in case Hanley gets hurt? Then the Sox can move up a notch in the power rankings?
As far as last year-- how bad was it? We were in last place the year before so we should have traded more young players? What were the moves to do last year? Our besttwo starters got blitzed. You would have known by "going for it" that the move should have maybe ben to get a super star pitcher even after the Red Sox got Price? And if you were to go after hitting it would have been at 3b my guess? But we didn't lose the playoffs last year because of Holt, did we?
We could have a very good playoff bullpen if we are able to move a starter into the bp assuming all are healthy and pitching well enough at the end.
I'm really interested in this series. These starts from Porcello and Price -- vs a good power-hitting over good TB team. Looking forward to see how they do.
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Post by patford on Jul 8, 2017 12:57:05 GMT -5
Farrell always rides the hell out of his favorite relievers ans burns them out. He also always sticks with his starting pitchers too long.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 8, 2017 12:58:23 GMT -5
Farrell always rides the hell out of his favorite relievers ans burns them out. And he gets death threats in the mail when he pitches anyone but the most optimal pitcher in anything less than a 6 run game. The guy can't win. Where's the inconsistency? He overuses his best pitchers in non-optimal situations. (Caveat: but seems to be doing a bit better this year.) Hey, remember Francona? Remember that guy? That guy was great. He used his pitchers prudently throughout the season without burning them out, and then went for the jugular in the playoffs. I always liked that approach.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 8, 2017 13:11:50 GMT -5
And he gets death threats in the mail when he pitches anyone but the most optimal pitcher in anything less than a 6 run game. The guy can't win. Where's the inconsistency? He overuses his best pitchers in non-optimal situations. (Caveat: but seems to be doing a bit better this year.) Hey, remember Francona? Remember that guy? That guy was great. He used his pitchers prudently throughout the season without burning them out, and then went for the jugular in the playoffs. I always liked that approach. Of course I remember Francona. He was the guy that half this board nicknamed Fran'coma' for his bullpen management. It's almost as if we don't know a good thing when we have it.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 8, 2017 13:22:31 GMT -5
Where's the inconsistency? He overuses his best pitchers in non-optimal situations. (Caveat: but seems to be doing a bit better this year.) Hey, remember Francona? Remember that guy? That guy was great. He used his pitchers prudently throughout the season without burning them out, and then went for the jugular in the playoffs. I always liked that approach. Of course I remember Francona. He was the guy that half this board nicknamed Fran'coma' for his bullpen management. It's almost as if we don't know a good thing when we have it. Ha. Too true. Well I can't speak for others but I, for one, was right about everything in the past.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 8, 2017 13:37:43 GMT -5
these games on the road against our chief divisional rival sure do wake up Sox Nation.
UPDATE: NYY just got back into the division race. at least for another day.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 8, 2017 13:42:09 GMT -5
Yankees getting one hit. Could go into this game with a 5 game lead. Who saw this coming a few weeks ago!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 8, 2017 13:48:37 GMT -5
1 pitch DP. Thank you Mr. Ramos. Trey Ball had a 3 pitch inning today. So he still can't miss bats.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 8, 2017 14:03:07 GMT -5
Where's the inconsistency? He overuses his best pitchers in non-optimal situations. (Caveat: but seems to be doing a bit better this year.) Hey, remember Francona? Remember that guy? That guy was great. He used his pitchers prudently throughout the season without burning them out, and then went for the jugular in the playoffs. I always liked that approach. Of course I remember Francona. He was the guy that half this board nicknamed Fran'coma' for his bullpen management. It's almost as if we don't know a good thing when we have it. There is no inconsistency. He rides his favorites and then barely uses several of the guys in the pen.
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Post by manfred on Jul 8, 2017 14:25:15 GMT -5
I am curious about Kelly. Is it true he can't go two days in a row? That is a pretty serious limitation, if so. Puts even more stress and pressure on Barnes, who has definitely looked much better of late. But he's pitched in 40 games already. That seems like a pretty grueling rate of use, or maybe I'm wrong. Hembree, too: 40 games.
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Post by jchang on Jul 8, 2017 14:32:06 GMT -5
Kelly takes 30 pitches to go through 3 pa with a 102mph fb. I wish he would take off some velocity and get some movement
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Post by jchang on Jul 8, 2017 15:30:58 GMT -5
Great pitch efficiency strategy, quick lead off single, 2 sac bunts, SO.
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Post by station13 on Jul 8, 2017 15:49:09 GMT -5
Porcello gives up way too much solid contact.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2017 15:52:14 GMT -5
Cobb might go for the complete game shut out at this point.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2017 15:53:42 GMT -5
Porcello gives up way too much solid contact. Exit velocities in this game in first two innings: 83 51 84 95 90 80 90 He should not have a .429 BABIP in this game, especially with 4 of those in play being ground balls.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 8, 2017 16:10:37 GMT -5
Anyone got a complete list of all of the pitchers named Cy the Sox faced this year? Today it is Cy Cobb.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 8, 2017 16:14:54 GMT -5
Robo umps now please.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2017 16:15:34 GMT -5
Wow, every pitcher looks like Cy Young if they get 3rd strike calls like Hanley just had called on him. It was at least 6 inches outside.
Edit: And defense like that play the SS made on Leon.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 8, 2017 16:27:52 GMT -5
Batted Ball Buzzard Luck Day.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2017 16:37:16 GMT -5
Batted Ball Buzzard Luck Day. And there's the Rays getting an 83 mph double.
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