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7/14-7/16 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2017 16:47:17 GMT -5
Lin and Holt both bat lefty. Marrero bats righty. Lin and Holt both hit LHP better than Marrero in the long run. Great username, btw! Agree on both counts.
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Post by jmei on Jul 17, 2017 17:08:49 GMT -5
I have a hard time getting too worked up. If Holt is healthy enough to start at 3B most of the time, that roster spot will be limited to defensive replacement and spot-start duties anyhow, and Marrero is a better and more versatile defender than Lin. Lin could use the everyday at-bats, and the gap between Lin (whose expected offensive regression has already brought him down to a 101 wRC+ on the year) and Marrero is not big enough that it's likely to meaningfully impact the MLB team's W/L record if it's a 5-6 PA per week kind of role.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 17, 2017 21:29:50 GMT -5
Lin is a good ballplayer. Watch Dombrowski trade him. You can't really trade bad players. Ben Cherington would refute that. He traded for several bad players. And he traded good players to do so.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 18, 2017 9:57:47 GMT -5
I have a hard time getting too worked up. If Holt is healthy enough to start at 3B most of the time, that roster spot will be limited to defensive replacement and spot-start duties anyhow, and Marrero is a better and more versatile defender than Lin. Lin could use the everyday at-bats, and the gap between Lin (whose expected offensive regression has already brought him down to a 101 wRC+ on the year) and Marrero is not big enough that it's likely to meaningfully impact the MLB team's W/L record if it's a 5-6 PA per week kind of role. Agree but when it comes down to the playoffs you want Lin not Marrero on the bench because he's faster.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 18, 2017 10:03:49 GMT -5
I agree with that, but in the playoffs you might carry both, because you have one of the starters in the bullpen. I'd rather have either of them than Abad or Scott or Hembree in a short series in which I also have Eduardo Rodriguez or Drew Pomeranz in the pen
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 18, 2017 11:23:31 GMT -5
I agree with that, but in the playoffs you might carry both, because you have one of the starters in the bullpen. I'd rather have either of them than Abad or Scott or Hembree in a short series in which I also have Eduardo Rodriguez or Drew Pomeranz in the pen Teams somewhat typically carry a fast guy and a third catcher so that the manager can feel free to pinch hit for one at any point in the game.I think that reduces the chance of carrying Lin, Holt and Marrero.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2017 11:47:25 GMT -5
I agree with that, but in the playoffs you might carry both, because you have one of the starters in the bullpen. I'd rather have either of them than Abad or Scott or Hembree in a short series in which I also have Eduardo Rodriguez or Drew Pomeranz in the pen Teams somewhat typically carry a fast guy and a third catcher so that the manager can feel free to pinch hit for one at any point in the game.I think that reduces the chance of carrying Lin, Holt and Marrero. On the third catcher, you're thinking of September, not the postseason. The postseason roster usually takes the regular-season 25-man roster, removes the worst RP, and adds a speedy guy to pinch run (or at least another bench player). If the only MLB-level players the Red Sox trade for between now and the postseason are one third baseman/corner infielder and relievers, the final bench spot will come down to Travis versus Lin. That might come down to who the infielder they acquire is (consider that Frazier can slide over to first, whereas you're probably not doing that with Lowrie), but you'd presume Lin's speed makes him more useful in the late innings.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 18, 2017 14:55:16 GMT -5
Teams somewhat typically carry a fast guy and a third catcher so that the manager can feel free to pinch hit for one at any point in the game.I think that reduces the chance of carrying Lin, Holt and Marrero. On the third catcher, you're thinking of September, not the postseason. The postseason roster usually takes the regular-season 25-man roster, removes the worst RP, and adds a speedy guy to pinch run (or at least another bench player). If the only MLB-level players the Red Sox trade for between now and the postseason are one third baseman/corner infielder and relievers, the final bench spot will come down to Travis versus Lin. That might come down to who the infielder they acquire is (consider that Frazier can slide over to first, whereas you're probably not doing that with Lowrie), but you'd presume Lin's speed makes him more useful in the late innings. No, I'm thinking of post-season teams in general. When teams don't have a stud catcher, which we don't, will often carry three catchers for the reason I mentioned. For example, last year's Cubs carried Ross, Conreras & Montero. None of those are studs (dance floor excepted). If you research it year by year, I think you will find it to be the rule, not the exception. Don't bother researching the Giants or Cardinals. ADD: Brendan McGair @bwmcgair03 Blake Swihart taking ground balls at first base. Currently on the DL @pawsox
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2017 15:20:30 GMT -5
Last year in the division series, the Rangers, Blue Jays, Nationals, Giants, and Red Sox carried 2. The Dodgers, Indians, and Cubs carried 3. Notably, the Indians had the luxury of a third catcher because they went with three starters (you may recall they were dealing with all kinds of SP injuries). In the ALCS, the Indians dropped the third catcher when going to the longer series and needing a fourth starter. The Dodgers also only carried 2 catchers in the NLCS. The Cubs, able to use Willson Contreras as a pinch hitter when he wasn't catching, were the only NLCS team with three catchers. I also note that the Cubs likely wouldn't have carried David Ross if he wasn't Jon Lester's personal catcher. Most of his playing time was during Lester starts. His other playing time in the playoffs was entering in the 13th inning of game 3 of the NLDS, starting the next day (Montero caught 1-6, Contreras caught 7-12). His other playing time was Lester's starts and entering game 7 with Lester when the latter came on in relief, and he was promptly removed for a pinch runner when he reached base the inning after Lester came out.
The third catcher makes more sense in the NL when you're double-switching, especially in the short series. Could also make sense, in theory, in the wild card given that you only need one starting pitcher. I stand by my statement though that it's definitely not "the norm" to carry three catchers in the postseason, although there are situations in which it can make sense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 19, 2017 2:58:35 GMT -5
So then, given the likely situation (which will change) and assuming everyone is healthy, you think it makes more sense to carry three left handed utility players than a third catcher when one of the utility players and both of the current catchers are struggling with their bats ? Exactly who do you think Marrero would pinch hit for ?
I'm guessing we're also going to have some difficult pitching decisions to make and I doubt if any of the starters will go the Wakefield route, watching from home.
Through 52 games, Marrero has a .1 fWAR, pretty much replacement level. He only looks impressive in comparison to what we've had to look at recently.
ADD: It should be noted that I'm totally assuming Devers is our playoff third baseman no matter when they call him up. The only question at this point is if he'll break camp with the Sox next year or not.
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