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8/5 Gameday Thread: Mata, Ball, & Johnson
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 7, 2017 12:25:35 GMT -5
What an awful draft pick. I remember no one liked that pick at the time. Cherington really made some bone head moves back in the day. Oh dear god can we please just not bring up this argument again? it's ridiculous and your statement is wrong. Ball was ranked right around where he was drafted so saying no one liked him is just flat out wrong. I think we should stop disguising our 20/20 hindsight as if anyone had any actual foresight into the players in 2013. He busted, as do many players, lots of players, lots of 1st rounders, and even lots of top 10 picks do more often than not. No one here who disliked the pick traveled around the country and personally scouted the top 30 draftees. I specifically remember going on to mutiple Red Sox boards in 2013, and everyone was pulling for the Red Sox to draft Austin Meadows..and people were very dissapointed when we passed him up for Ball
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 7, 2017 12:31:19 GMT -5
Oh dear god can we please just not bring up this argument again? it's ridiculous and your statement is wrong. Ball was ranked right around where he was drafted so saying no one liked him is just flat out wrong. I think we should stop disguising our 20/20 hindsight as if anyone had any actual foresight into the players in 2013. He busted, as do many players, lots of players, lots of 1st rounders, and even lots of top 10 picks do more often than not. No one here who disliked the pick traveled around the country and personally scouted the top 30 draftees. I specifically remember going on to mutiple Red Sox boards in 2013, and everyone was pulling for the Red Sox to draft Austin Meadows..and people were very dissapointed when we passed him up for Ball And, fwiw, 99.9% of those people had probably never seen either play, and 80% knew nothing more than how Baseball America had ranked them. I think it's fair to criticize the team on the result, for sure. I don't think, unless speaking from having done extensive research at the time (I'd done a bit but certainly don't fit this criteria), it's fair to retroactively make it sound like this was a decision anyone could've made correctly. It's not like this is football or basketball where Ball's games had been nationally televised and we'd all seen him play before, and same for Meadows.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 7, 2017 14:04:03 GMT -5
I also remember that the vast majority of people who wanted Meadows wanted him because the system was devoid of any outfielders. It was a huge weakness on the team. I get that people wanted him, but I think it's just blind luck that Meadows has turned out better than Ball because the vast majority of us aren't amateur scouts traveling the country scouting these guys. We didn't really know any better.
In an alternative Universe, Trey ball could be in line to win ROY this year and Austin Meadows could be stuck in A ball.
Not trying to seem too confrontational and I know this a bit out of topic on this thread so I apologize I just don't understand why we are so hung up on it. I know, I know, you made one comment it's not as if the whole conversation was dug up and if it is it's probably more my fault at this point.
In hindsight, it was a bad decision, but I personally would never fault the organization for going after what they at the time thought was the highest upside arm.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 7, 2017 17:09:28 GMT -5
I also remember that the vast majority of people who wanted Meadows wanted him because the system was devoid of any outfielders. It was a huge weakness on the team. I get that people wanted him, but I think it's just blind luck that Meadows has turned out better than Ball because the vast majority of us aren't amateur scouts traveling the country scouting these guys. We didn't really know any better. In an alternative Universe, Trey ball could be in line to win ROY this year and Austin Meadows could be stuck in A ball. Not trying to seem too confrontational and I know this a bit out of topic on this thread so I apologize I just don't understand why we are so hung up on it. I know, I know, you made one comment it's not as if the whole conversation was dug up and if it is it's probably more my fault at this point. In hindsight, it was a bad decision, but I personally would never fault the organization for going after what they at the time thought was the highest upside arm. Well, it's a bad outcome. The process that led to the decision might've been just fine.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2017 17:12:57 GMT -5
I also remember that the vast majority of people who wanted Meadows wanted him because the system was devoid of any outfielders. It was a huge weakness on the team. I get that people wanted him, but I think it's just blind luck that Meadows has turned out better than Ball because the vast majority of us aren't amateur scouts traveling the country scouting these guys. We didn't really know any better. In an alternative Universe, Trey ball could be in line to win ROY this year and Austin Meadows could be stuck in A ball. Not trying to seem too confrontational and I know this a bit out of topic on this thread so I apologize I just don't understand why we are so hung up on it. I know, I know, you made one comment it's not as if the whole conversation was dug up and if it is it's probably more my fault at this point. In hindsight, it was a bad decision, but I personally would never fault the organization for going after what they at the time thought was the highest upside arm. Well, it's a bad outcome. The process that led to the decision might've been just fine. That's a point that almost no one on the planet understands and it extends way beyond baseball and sports. People just whine about results when they don't go the way they want and criticize decisions that may have been absolutely correct when they were made.
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