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9/12-9/14 Red Sox vs. Athletics Series Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 12, 2017 21:08:43 GMT -5
Austin Maddox fans get on the bus. All are welcome. Austin Maddox and Brandon Workman being legit better than Matt Barnes makes my head hurt.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2017 21:09:51 GMT -5
They can figure out route efficiencies of outfielders with StatCast, they can figure out what balls are uncatchable too. What I really want to see is an xBABIP stat (expected) based on StatCast data. Then we can see exactly how much luck is involved in BABIP and how much is hardness of contact. I'd be all for statcast type stats. Without trying to open up a huge can here, to me, BABIP is the most useless stat. You would have to assume Tony Gwynn was the luckiest person on the planet to have any faith in BABIP. I get it, everybody's mileage varies here. That last Mookie ground out to 3rd probably has a xBABIP of about .800. 107 mph
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2017 21:10:33 GMT -5
It's really a nasty wipeout slider when he throws it right. His command is sorta off. edit. What Jim said. 😀 I can't see Smith making the playoff roster with that lack of control He didn't really have that problem in the other 2 games. It might just be an off night.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 12, 2017 21:16:58 GMT -5
Excellent win!
Really good play by ERod, Mookie and Pedey. Three solid innings from the pen too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2017 21:19:34 GMT -5
I can't see Smith making the playoff roster with that lack of control He didn't really have that problem in the other 2 games. It might just be an off night. I can't see him not making the playoff roster, he still has plenty of time to sharpen up.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2017 21:21:27 GMT -5
He didn't really have that problem in the other 2 games. It might just be an off night. I can't see him not making the playoff roster, he still has plenty of time to sharpen up. Tough call between Smith, Maddox, ERod and Price. I think Hembree, Barnes, Abad and Scott might be out.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 12, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
Late to the party but GREAT WIN!
Looks like I missed a good one. Will have to watch the replay.
And NYY - LOSERS. Very nice.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2017 21:29:46 GMT -5
I can't see him not making the playoff roster, he still has plenty of time to sharpen up. Tough call between Smith, Maddox, ERod and Price. I think Hembree, Barnes, Abad and Scott might be out. Both Price and ERod seems unlikely to me. Agree that Maddox is one of the better alternatives but I'm not so sure the Sox will go with a rookie in a stacked pen situation.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 12, 2017 21:42:36 GMT -5
That's a no brainer for the organization. Papi is on the Red Sox Mount Rushmore any way you slice it. He gets any job he wants. Edit. For me the others are Ted, Yaz and Pedro. You think Pedro is more deserving than Jim Rice, or just putting an obligatory pitcher in the mix. Not starting anything, just curious.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Sept 12, 2017 22:00:35 GMT -5
Tough call between Smith, Maddox, ERod and Price. I think Hembree, Barnes, Abad and Scott might be out. Both Price and ERod seems unlikely to me. Agree that Maddox is one of the better alternatives but I'm not so sure the Sox will go with a rookie in a stacked pen situation. I agree that Price may be questionable however I could definitely see Erod in the pen dialing it up to 95 mph plus in short stints. Smith given his low velocity and limited innings to date would be a surprise on the playoff roster.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 12, 2017 22:46:14 GMT -5
Glad to see Mookie burst out of that slump in that kind of fashion. Hopefully he goes on a tear these last few weeks and into the playoffs.
EDIT: Another 20 HR/20 SB season for the kid.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 12, 2017 22:56:54 GMT -5
Also important to note that 4 games up with 18 to play is a serious cushion.
If we win 9 of the 18. The Yankees have to win 13 of 18 just to tie. We'd have to play some bad baseball to finish 9-9 with our schedule left too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2017 23:22:21 GMT -5
That's a no brainer for the organization. Papi is on the Red Sox Mount Rushmore any way you slice it. He gets any job he wants. Edit. For me the others are Ted, Yaz and Pedro. You think Pedro is more deserving than Jim Rice, or just putting an obligatory pitcher in the mix. Not starting anything, just curious. I liked Rice a lot but I'd put him significantly behind Pedro.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2017 23:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2017 0:04:05 GMT -5
Nice stress free win and even better they pick that game back up on the Yankees to go back up 4 with now 2 less games on the schedule.
Interesting to keep watching but E-Rod had his second solid game in a row. Maybe he'll finally enter one of those grooves and put pressure on Porcello to step up his game?
Nice to see Betts have a strong game, too, and Maddox keeps on forcing the Sox to consider him for a post-season spot.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 13, 2017 0:14:08 GMT -5
That's a no brainer for the organization. Papi is on the Red Sox Mount Rushmore any way you slice it. He gets any job he wants. Edit. For me the others are Ted, Yaz and Pedro. You think Pedro is more deserving than Jim Rice, or just putting an obligatory pitcher in the mix. Not starting anything, just curious. When they took a fan poll of the all-time Red Sox team, Jim Rice was correctly left off in favor of his teammate, Dwight Evans. Rice wouldn't fit on the second Mt. Rushmore, either. You can predict HOF worthiness by 10 x the average 5 year peak WAR level, plus the career total. (Which is to say, your 5 best seasons count triple). Jim Rice totaled 47.4 WAR with the Red Sox and averaged 6.0 in his 5 best years = 107. When you multiply by 1.25 for catchers, Carlton Fisk totaled 49.5 and averaged 7.1 in his 5 best years = 120. Dwight Evans totaled 66.2 and averaged 5.6 at his peak = 122. With a proper DH position adjustment, David Ortiz totaled 61.0 and averaged 6.1 at his peak = 122, but including regular-season clutch hitting, it's 131. Pedro Martinez totaled 53.8 and averaged 8.6 at his peak = 140. Wade Boggs totaled 71.6 and averaged 8.4 at his peak = 156. Roger Clemens totaled 81.3 and averaged 9.1 at his peak (but in 21% more innings than Pedro, in a era when starters went longer) = 172. Oh, and Babe Ruth had a 123 (in essentially five years!), Lefty Grove had a 133 and Tris Speaker has a 142, and Cy Young had a 164 (but with a huge innings bonus). If you were doing this objectively based just on regular season numbers, the last two guys would be Clemens and Boggs without question. But the argument for Ortiz over Boggs in terms of post-season performance, etc., and for Pedro over Clemens for that and especially for actual career peak, I think are incontrovertible. The second mountain has to start with Clemens, Boggs, and Speaker. I think I go with Pudge for the last head, the tie-beaker being what he did after we let him go idiotically. Edit: Pedroia is already at 117, so Rice may not make the third mountain, either (Evans, Pedey, Ruth, and Grove or Young). Nomar's at 110, too, but I frankly think he had a little special help.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2017 2:52:12 GMT -5
That homerun marks the second 20/20 season for Mookie in his career. Next up, Benintendi. Ohh and by the way, here's a little fun fact- The only Red Sox player now in the history of the franchise to have 2 straight 20/20 seasons in a row- Mookie Betts.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 13, 2017 5:31:38 GMT -5
Glad to see Mookie burst out of that slump in that kind of fashion. Hopefully he goes on a tear these last few weeks and into the playoffs. EDIT: Another 20 HR/20 SB season for the kid. Mookie came into the game hitting .300 / .440 / .550 over his last 5 games, so this was more like putting whipped cream on ice cream plus hot fudge. He's now at .360 / .467 / .880 over six games. He was hitting .280 / .357 / .486 (448 PA) on July 22, so it's kind of incomprehensible that he hit .205 / .289 / .285 in his next 37 G / 173 PA. Before and after, he's .284 / .364 / .507.
This team is so much better than some of its numbers ... Mitch Moreland was .133 / .238 / .156 in 105 PA after breaking his toe and is .277 / .355 / .501 in 408 PA before and after.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2017 6:38:42 GMT -5
You think Pedro is more deserving than Jim Rice, or just putting an obligatory pitcher in the mix. Not starting anything, just curious. I liked Rice a lot but I'd put him significantly behind Pedro. Rice and Lynn are the reasons I became a Red Sox fan as a little kid with no natural geographic allegiance to any MLB team. I do put him behind Pedro just because of Pedro's sheer dominance at his peak. You felt like you were missing an event when you didn't follow or watch one of his starts. I love Eric's statistical breakdown of career WAR. On the other hand, for me the Mount Rushmore discussion is somewhat like discussing art or music. I think my Mount Rushmore could be different than other fans'. Is the Statue of David "better" than The Mona Lisa?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2017 9:24:36 GMT -5
Clemens* was a steroid guy, you can't compare his numbers to Pedro's.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2017 10:07:12 GMT -5
Glad to see Mookie burst out of that slump in that kind of fashion. Hopefully he goes on a tear these last few weeks and into the playoffs. EDIT: Another 20 HR/20 SB season for the kid. Mookie came into the game hitting .300 / .440 / .550 over his last 5 games, so this was more like putting whipped cream on ice cream plus hot fudge. He's now at .360 / .467 / .880 over six games. He was hitting .280 / .357 / .486 (448 PA) on July 22, so it's kind of incomprehensible that he hit .205 / .289 / .285 in his next 37 G / 173 PA. Before and after, he's .284 / .364 / .507.
This team is so much better than some of its numbers ... Mitch Moreland was .133 / .238 / .156 in 105 PA after breaking his toe and is .277 / .355 / .501 in 408 PA before and after.
Scott LauberVerified account @scottlauber 2h2 hours ago To hear Chili Davis tell it, Mookie Betts' breakout was 10 days in the making. Story, via @espn: www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/53406/mookie-betts-is-heating-up-at-the-right-time Then, about 10 days ago: Eureka! Betts emerged from batting practice feeling satisfied with the changes and all but portended an impending hot streak.
"Man," Betts told Davis, "that's the best BP I've taken in a long time."
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2017 10:44:35 GMT -5
Clemens* was a steroid guy, you can't compare his numbers to Pedro's. We can't know for sure, but your eyeball tells you he probably didn't start the juice until he left Boston. His numbers as Red Sox pitcher are HoF numbers.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 13, 2017 11:51:59 GMT -5
Glad to see Mookie burst out of that slump in that kind of fashion. Hopefully he goes on a tear these last few weeks and into the playoffs. EDIT: Another 20 HR/20 SB season for the kid. Mookie came into the game hitting .300 / .440 / .550 over his last 5 games, so this was more like putting whipped cream on ice cream plus hot fudge. He's now at .360 / .467 / .880 over six games. He was hitting .280 / .357 / .486 (448 PA) on July 22, so it's kind of incomprehensible that he hit .205 / .289 / .285 in his next 37 G / 173 PA. Before and after, he's .284 / .364 / .507.
This team is so much better than some of its numbers ... Mitch Moreland was .133 / .238 / .156 in 105 PA after breaking his toe and is .277 / .355 / .501 in 408 PA before and after.
That story about the changes in Betts' approach all make sense in this context. He started driving the ball hard to the opposite field, as opposed to the lazy flies and pop-ups we'd seen earlier in the season, over a week ago. Thanks to guys like Hicks and Kiermaier, some of those shots were corralled but the approach was clearly different. This is part of the adjustment process we've talked about before. My impression is that it has to be a regular dynamic, a constant re-evaluation of what you're doing and what pitchers are trying to do to you. To be a complete player he has to have a way to do something with stuff on the outer part of the plate. If he can regularly drive pitches to right field, that complements his deadly contact with stuff on the inner half. That would take him to the next level and there's only a few players hanging out up there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2017 18:12:31 GMT -5
For me, he's just returning to where he was except with more experience. In the first article I posted he said he gradually had opened up and that the first thing they worked on was closing it up. Prior to this year, including the minors, driving the ball to right field was a strength, not a weakness.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2017 18:20:43 GMT -5
Well this blows.
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