jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Oct 11, 2017 5:50:52 GMT -5
Would be great if DD could find the next JD Martinez instead of paying full price for one. A waiver claim that turns into a 30 homerun bat? I think that's happened twice in the past 15-20 years in Bautista and Martinez, maybe I'm wrong there's been more. I agree it would be awesome, but you're better off just playing the lottery with those odds. Waived: Justin Smoak (took a little while to hit 30), Scooter Gennett (27 hrs, previous high 14), David Ortiz 2002 Traded when at nadir: Travis Shaw Free agent from Korea, Eric Thames The Mets got Justin Turner on waivers, but the Dodgers got him as a FA "In November of 2010, the Athletics claimed Edwin Encarnacion on waivers from the Jays, but they re-released him less than a month later. The Jays swept in and signed him once again on a one year 2.5M contract."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 11, 2017 6:38:50 GMT -5
A waiver claim that turns into a 30 homerun bat? I think that's happened twice in the past 15-20 years in Bautista and Martinez, maybe I'm wrong there's been more. I agree it would be awesome, but you're better off just playing the lottery with those odds. Waived: Justin Smoak (took a little while to hit 30), Scooter Gennett (27 hrs, previous high 14), David Ortiz 2002 Traded when at nadir: Travis Shaw Free agent from Korea, Eric Thames The Mets got Justin Turner on waivers, but the Dodgers got him as a FA "In November of 2010, the Athletics claimed Edwin Encarnacion on waivers from the Jays, but they re-released him less than a month later. The Jays swept in and signed him once again on a one year 2.5M contract." Okay so 2 were waived and claimed and 3 more were free agents with 2 being non tendered. I wouldn't put Shaw on that list because he was actually traded for something. In total that's 7 or 8 players that a team has gotten for virtually nothing that went on to hit 30 or more homeruns in a season in the last 20 years. Out of all the players that has played in baseball in that time, and all the transactions made in baseball during that time, that's still horrendous odds hoping you can find that kind of production somewhere for virtually no cost.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 11, 2017 6:52:11 GMT -5
So this article talks about Pedrioa needing surgery that requires a most likely 6-8 month recovery time most likely, maybe more. Who knows how he looks after this surgery too. There's really no doubt in my mind that the Sox need another second baseman. The Sox should still go after Dozier or Kinsler. Maybe Eduardo Nunez if the price drops.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 8:19:04 GMT -5
I wonder when Nunez would be available and if he'd be open to a one year prove it deal.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 11, 2017 9:56:29 GMT -5
HOSMER!
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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 11, 2017 9:56:57 GMT -5
VOTTO!
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 10:05:08 GMT -5
Tanking - it’s the new MoneyBall. See Cubs, Chcago; Astros, Houston; Twins, Minnesota; Phillies, Philadelphia; White Sox, Chicago; et al. Biggest mistake made by Cherington was not tanking in 2014 and just loading up on prospects for Lackey, Lester and everyone else that anyone wanted. I have a feeling that edict came from above though. They should have done what the Yankees did the last two seasons. The Lackey and Lester trades still burn my onions. And lowballing Lester in general. And, well, don't get me started about Cherington OR Lucchino. If not for Lucchino, Theo would probably still be here, among other things. Not that Theo was perfect, but a lot more hits than misses.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 11, 2017 10:57:35 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski on the John Farrell firing press conference-
"We need to score more runs."
He's probably going to get two high profiled bats one way or the other.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 10:59:46 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski on the John Farrell firing press conference- "We need to score more runs." He's probably going to get two high profiled bats one way or the other. they will be on a reset on the tax so there won't be as harsh a penalty. "High profile bats" becomes more problematic if we're talking about free agency. Extremely limited supply out there.
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Post by possum on Oct 11, 2017 11:06:35 GMT -5
Dumping Farrell a good first step, I would use all money to sign Martinez, Nunez and Moreland then eat Hanley's contract. Would bring back pitching staff as is hoping for healthy seasons from Price, Smith and Thornburg. Would also love to somehow get out from under pedroia's contract as I think he's done but don't think its possible. Would take a long look at Alex Cora for manager.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2017 11:39:17 GMT -5
Lot's of talk about dumping Pedroia. I get it, he's older and has to have surgery. I just wouldn't give up on him yet. Let's see how he comes back from the surgery.
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Post by Canseco on Oct 11, 2017 11:45:22 GMT -5
No chance would I dump Pedroia. He's a heart-and-soul type, and he should retire with this organization.
Honestly, I'm not looking for wholesale roster changes. It would be nice if we could upgrade 1B offensively, but I also understand the cost of doing so. The big league roster is built to compete at a very high level right now, so the realistic offseason will probably mean filling in with supplementary pieces at affordable prices while, hopefully, locking some of our home grown guys into long term deals. The change of vibe in the clubhouse could be a positive change, too.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 11:47:37 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Pedroia retired early if he couldn't play at the level he wants to play at. I'd bet that he sure wasn't happy with himself at the end of this season when he was slightly faster than Papi because of his knee.
Did they ever mention the specifics of what is wrong with it?
And BTW, I'm still pissed as hell at Machado because of it.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 11, 2017 11:53:39 GMT -5
I understand there is a cost to FA, and there are harsh penalties for going over the LT and I'm just speaking from the ledge, in my arm chair, about spending other peoples money but this team should go all in.
They've spent too many assets on Sale, Price, and Kimbrel to put things in Neutral now. You've built this team to bank on them winning over the next several years and it's time to double down on that bet. I'd like to see this team upgrade the offense where they can.
Perhaps Hosmer type player at 1B, or J.D. Martinez.
I do think we could see a surprising uptick in offense from what we already have. Perhaps if Bogaerts is healthy he could see some more power and a sophomore season from Benintendi could see an uptick in production too.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 12:14:16 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Pedroia retired early if he couldn't play at the level he wants to play at. I'd bet that he sure wasn't happy with himself at the end of this season when he was slightly faster than Papi because of his knee. Did they ever mention the specifics of what is wrong with it? And BTW, I'm still pissed as hell at Machado because of it. It's gotta be bad if rehab would take him well into 2018. My guess is he gets the surgery done and if that doesn't get him to whatever level he thinks is appropriate he retires. Interesting call either way. That's a lotta cake to walk away from and most of these guys believe they earned it all well before they signed the contract during their controllable years.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 12:19:15 GMT -5
I would not be shocked if Pedroia retired early if he couldn't play at the level he wants to play at. I'd bet that he sure wasn't happy with himself at the end of this season when he was slightly faster than Papi because of his knee. Did they ever mention the specifics of what is wrong with it? And BTW, I'm still pissed as hell at Machado because of it. It's gotta be bad if rehab would take him well into 2018. My guess is he gets the surgery done and if that doesn't get him to whatever level he thinks is appropriate he retires. Interesting call either way. That's a lotta cake to walk away from and most of these guys believe they earned it all well before they signed the contract during their controllable years. Of every professional athlete I've ever seen, Pedroia seems to care the least about money.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 11, 2017 12:28:58 GMT -5
Lot's of talk about dumping Pedroia. Who is gonna take on that contract?
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Oct 11, 2017 12:48:06 GMT -5
Pedey is Sox through and through. How people are talking like he's roadkill is mind boggling to me.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 11, 2017 12:56:07 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Venn Diagram of those ready to drag Pedroia right now and those who expect loyalty from a free agent.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 11, 2017 13:04:52 GMT -5
A lot of talk about signing JDM, and I'm in that boat.....Is he not a corner outfielder by trade? I can't imagine we sign him to DH. If he's signed---how does that reconfigure the OF? Does that force a JBJ trade? Can he play 1B?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 11, 2017 13:19:12 GMT -5
I'm blaming this thread if the Red Sox lose in the first round. Come On!
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 11, 2017 13:38:14 GMT -5
Listening to some of the local sports shows, and doing some reading, there are some calls to pull a Celtics-style "blow the team apart" approach - that the Sox are playing an outdated form of small ball, and they have to use a different approach to get beyond the "very good team but not quite" level. I think that it is going to be a fascinating off-season...and we will have quite the discussions here, with the huge range of opinions. The key may be not overreacting to great players having off seasons (Xander, Mookie). Also, the managerial decision (keep or fire Farrell...and if he goes, who comes in?) will be very interesting to watch. Hoping for a huge win today that fires them up and off to more wins, no matter what. Over-reacting aka what most people do is so often the wrong thing to do. Emotional responses are almost never the right way to go about things.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2017 14:04:34 GMT -5
Lot's of talk about dumping Pedroia. Who is gonna take on that contract? First I don't think we should trade him, he's one year removed from a 5.7 bwar season. Trading him right now depends on the surgery, what exactly is wrong, recovery time and if it's worse or better after surgery. If it's a typical surgery with around a 6 months recovery timeline you can easily trade him. He's got 4 years left at 16, 15, 13 and 12 million. I also believe like others have said that he walks away if he can't be close to the player he was. So I don't see his contract as bad, but very good. I would assume any team that needs a 2B would be in on him if the medicals check out.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 11, 2017 14:08:52 GMT -5
I love Pedey, I tell my kids to watch him play and emulate him on the field. I want him on this team. I just feel his playing time needs to be managed. Dozier does that. Nunez does that. Those two can really help the team. Dozier has the power, so he is my top choice, if Minn will trade him.
If anyone can bounce back, its him. He seems like he'd give it all in rehab and come back strong as ever.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2017 14:22:45 GMT -5
A lot of talk about signing JDM, and I'm in that boat.....Is he not a corner outfielder by trade? I can't imagine we sign him to DH. If he's signed---how does that reconfigure the OF? Does that force a JBJ trade? Can he play 1B? In my opinion you sign him to play 1B or DH mainly. Sure he could play some games in OF, but I wouldn't sign him to be a full-time OF. Not with his age and defensive numbers the last two years. His defensive numbers did improve though playing for Arizona, he was about league average.
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