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2017-18 Celtics Season Thread
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 18, 2017 9:18:29 GMT -5
A couple down the road this season things: 1. With the Lakers losing to the Suns last night, extending that losing streak, I’m not ruling out a top 5 pick this year. 2. Even if it rolls to 2019, right now the Kings are arguably the worst team in the NBA. 3. Sucks Russel is hurt because without him and Lin, the Nets are going to sink fast. 4. I’m not ruling out a Hayward return this year. The Lakers could also have a hard time in the second half just based on their youth, the rookie wall could hit a few players beyond Ball. We shall see. The argument could also be made that a top pick in 2019 would fit better for the C's in the long run. Although the 2018 draft looks really strong in players that would fit the C's needs. I'm with you on GH showing up late in the season, it makes sense for the C's to say next year but this year is a very real possibility. Nice win for the C's over GS!! Gotta love this teams will to win!! |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 18, 2017 10:47:05 GMT -5
A couple down the road this season things: 1. With the Lakers losing to the Suns last night, extending that losing streak, I’m not ruling out a top 5 pick this year. 2. Even if it rolls to 2019, right now the Kings are arguably the worst team in the NBA. 3. Sucks Russel is hurt because without him and Lin, the Nets are going to sink fast. 4. I’m not ruling out a Hayward return this year. I would rule out the Hayward part at least. Open fractures like that take a long time to come back from and his agent has already dismissed the possibility of him coming back. You don't want to rush him back either. The Celtics just have to find another piece for this year, Hayward isn't going to be it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 18, 2017 14:05:28 GMT -5
I was talking about his offensive game and his shooting and ability to get shots really. He can pass which makes him somewhat useful. That whole article basically says those teams have no idea how to guard Smart. The Hawks guarding him to drive and 3 guys trying to stop Smart, come on. If he keeps shooting like this the whole league will just give him the Rondo treatment. Stay off him and dare him to shoot the ball and Smart will do just that. Come the playoffs teams will not be that stupid. They will play Smart for the pass and dare him to shoot. You could have did an Article like that two years ago about Turner, he did they same thing for us and we see what he has done in Portland. Smart is a useful player, but come on with that small sample size trying to show how awesome he is on offense. For what it’s worth, Marcus has been the same non-shooter for 4 years now, it’s not like this is new and teams have to adapt. It’s hard to do what you’re proposing teams do against Stevens and his motion/handoff offense. TS% .491, .463, .486 and this year .389. There has been a big drop off this year. Unless he can get back to even his low career norms, he is not the same this year. He went from a bad shooter, to right now maybe the worst in the league. Teams have already tried that in playoffs, thing is Smart has been able to shoot well enough in playoffs for it to be a non-factor. If he shoots 25% from 3 in the playoffs watch out. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 18, 2017 14:23:47 GMT -5
You don't rush Hayward back from that injury, no way. Even if he wants to play I sit him till next year.
The Lakers are currently tied for 8/9th with Jazz. That losing streak is 2 games and they beat the Suns 3 games ago. Now the Clippers and Hornets should get better, but the Lakers are clearly better than Mavs, Kings, Hawks, Bulls, and the Suns. One game proves nothing in the NBA. BTW the Nets currently are #10. Man I would love for the Cavs to get the #10 pick. Would make that trade look even better. If you want that Lakers pick hope for some injuries or ping pon luck. They don't get their pick, so they won't tank at the end of the year. With this draft so many teams will tank hard at the end of the year. Best we can hope for is that they trade Randle because he is playing very well.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Nov 18, 2017 21:40:22 GMT -5
J. Brown is amazing both offensively and defensively.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 18, 2017 22:02:47 GMT -5
15 in a row!! No doubt about it that is impressive. Danny has a clue and Brads a pretty good coach, LOL, this is actually becoming a bit laughable. Winning is kind of fun.
Just had a great thought. It doesn't look like the great run Boston sports teams have been on is going to end anytime soon.
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Post by jmei on Nov 18, 2017 22:08:14 GMT -5
Brown is already more assertive offensively than he was at the beginning of the season. He's still mostly a straight-line driver, but he's athletic enough to just jump over dudes and at least get fouled.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 19, 2017 2:26:36 GMT -5
He is gaining confidence every game and it is fun to watch his growth. I believe he is getting some of that confidence in his offense from the great D he is playing, it is funny how that can correlate. Tatum is next and looks like he will be even better. The two of them are certainly looking like future stars. Once again kudos to Danny, many didn't agree with his picks but he was right again.
Next year with GH added to Kyrie, Brown, Tatum and Horford is looking like they will be tough to stop.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2017 8:38:08 GMT -5
A couple down the road this season things: 1. With the Lakers losing to the Suns last night, extending that losing streak, I’m not ruling out a top 5 pick this year. 2. Even if it rolls to 2019, right now the Kings are arguably the worst team in the NBA. 3. Sucks Russel is hurt because without him and Lin, the Nets are going to sink fast. 4. I’m not ruling out a Hayward return this year. I would rule out the Hayward part at least. Open fractures like that take a long time to come back from and his agent has already dismissed the possibility of him coming back. You don't want to rush him back either. The Celtics just have to find another piece for this year, Hayward isn't going to be it. You are likely right but I’m not putting the chances at 0. And there are subtle things like the team using words like “expected to be out” |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2017 8:40:22 GMT -5
Brown is already more assertive offensively than he was at the beginning of the season. He's still mostly a straight-line driver, but he's athletic enough to just jump over dudes and at least get fouled. I can’t wait until he can dribble |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2017 8:41:38 GMT -5
You don't rush Hayward back from that injury, no way. Even if he wants to play I sit him till next year. The Lakers are currently tied for 8/9th with Jazz. That losing streak is 2 games and they beat the Suns 3 games ago. Now the Clippers and Hornets should get better, but the Lakers are clearly better than Mavs, Kings, Hawks, Bulls, and the Suns. One game proves nothing in the NBA. BTW the Nets currently are #10. Man I would love for the Cavs to get the #10 pick. Would make that trade look even better. If you want that Lakers pick hope for some injuries or ping pon luck. They don't get their pick, so they won't tank at the end of the year. With this draft so many teams will tank hard at the end of the year. Best we can hope for is that they trade Randle because he is playing very well. I’m not expecting either of these things; fully aware the odds are against both by a good amount but I’m not ruling anything out. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2017 8:49:22 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, Marcus has been the same non-shooter for 4 years now, it’s not like this is new and teams have to adapt. It’s hard to do what you’re proposing teams do against Stevens and his motion/handoff offense. TS% .491, .463, .486 and this year .389. There has been a big drop off this year. Unless he can get back to even his low career norms, he is not the same this year. He went from a bad shooter, to right now maybe the worst in the league. Teams have already tried that in playoffs, thing is Smart has been able to shoot well enough in playoffs for it to be a non-factor. If he shoots 25% from 3 in the playoffs watch out. C’mon man why are you using True Shooting percentage? That’s borderline useless for your point. The point was they will give him the Rondo treatment take say way off him. So look at his 3 point percentage. That sucks not and had always sucked. There’s nothing different this year with him that would make teams guard him any differently. 3pt% (33.5, 25, 28, 27) from rookie year to now. His TS% seems to be down because of his finishing around the rim and in the paint is down thus far which has nothing to do with guys sagging off him. So we agree that he can’t shoot; i just don’t see how it’s any different than it has since he entered the league and why teams would NOW all of a sudden be able to adjust. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 19, 2017 10:56:06 GMT -5
I've been able to actually watch only one game this year (the GS game - what a one to pick) - I "watch" on ESPN or Fox gamecast.
One really encouraging observation (just from looking at the game in the only way I can) is that Tatum seems to learn quickly - last night's game seemed to have some early turnovers - yet later in the game he really starts to come on well - rebounds, steals, scores.
Brown and Tatum - emerging gems for this team. Add to Horford, Irving - if they are winning like this without Haywood, we can only imagine what next year and beyond will bring.
Pretty exciting stuff!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2017 14:14:49 GMT -5
TS% .491, .463, .486 and this year .389. There has been a big drop off this year. Unless he can get back to even his low career norms, he is not the same this year. He went from a bad shooter, to right now maybe the worst in the league. Teams have already tried that in playoffs, thing is Smart has been able to shoot well enough in playoffs for it to be a non-factor. If he shoots 25% from 3 in the playoffs watch out. C’mon man why are you using True Shooting percentage? That’s borderline useless for your point. The point was they will give him the Rondo treatment take say way off him. So look at his 3 point percentage. That sucks not and had always sucked. There’s nothing different this year with him that would make teams guard him any differently. 3pt% (33.5, 25, 28, 27) from rookie year to now. His TS% seems to be down because of his finishing around the rim and in the paint is down thus far which has nothing to do with guys sagging off him. So we agree that he can’t shoot; i just don’t see how it’s any different than it has since he entered the league and why teams would NOW all of a sudden be able to adjust. Because it shows you his shooting is down overall. Fg% went from .359 to .273, eFG% from .422 to .333 and even his FT% went from .812 to .766. Yes his 3 point % only went from .283 to .273, but that is a little misleading. He spent most of last year above that, but it tanked later in the year and he was very good in the playoffs. His 2 point FG % went from .420 to .274. So far teams are still guarding Smart. Look at that Atlanta game with 3 guys coming after him, allowing him to find a wide open player. That is going to stop if this shooting continues. You simply guard him one on one, dare him to shoot and play him to pass. At this point I would bench any player or players that double and tripple team Smart if I was the coach on the other team. My whole point was Smart is a very smart player, yet he seems lost on offense more so this year. He looks quicker than last year, but it hasn't helped one bit. At this point I think its mental and not he can't do better. He needs someone to work with him. He needs to learn how to be physical without drawing charging fouls. He almost seems scared when in the paint. Like the only thing he worries about is not getting a charging call. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 19, 2017 16:30:50 GMT -5
He is gaining confidence every game and it is fun to watch his growth. I believe he is getting some of that confidence in his offense from the great D he is playing, it is funny how that can correlate. Tatum is next and looks like he will be even better. The two of them are certainly looking like future stars. Once again kudos to Danny, many didn't agree with his picks but he was right again. Next year with GH added to Kyrie, Brown, Tatum and Horford is looking like they will be tough to stop. Possibly one of you have already mentioned this, but with Hayward out.....Tatum and Brown are therefore developing much faster. No reason to look to the bench when you commit a silly turnover. These two know they are getting their 28 to 30 minutes night in and night out. I absolutely hate that Gordon is out (for probably the entire season), but the kids' development being escalating like this is a huge benefit for the Celtics now....but even more for next season. Brown is such an athlete that the sky is the limit, if he can consistently knock down the 3 at a 35% plus rate. Tatum learns so darn quickly and nothing seems to faze him. His defense has really improved from even game 1. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 20, 2017 6:16:01 GMT -5
Yes this thought has been out there since the night GH went down, it certainly has opened the door for both Brown and Tatum to play bigger parts and develop quicker.
Just an observation but doesn't Tatum look like a gangly teenager running up and down the court at times? Like a kid that still hasn't grown into his body yet. Just one more reason to be excited about his potential. Add 20-25 pounds of muscle along with his makeup and development and the C's have a superstar in the making.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2017 8:30:32 GMT -5
Yes this thought has been out there since the night GH went down, it certainly has opened the door for both Brown and Tatum to play bigger parts and develop quicker. Just an observation but doesn't Tatum look like a gangly teenager running up and down the court at times? Like a kid that still hasn't grown into his body yet. Just one more reason to be excited about his potential. Add 20-25 pounds of muscle along with his makeup and development and the C's have a superstar in the making. Danny mentioned he expects him to grow another 2 inches or so as well... i don’t know how he would know that but truth is he’s 19 so he could actually grow more. I don’t think that’s necessarily a benefit though. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2017 8:35:43 GMT -5
Because it shows you his shooting is down overall. Fg% went from .359 to .273, eFG% from .422 to .333 and even his FT% went from .812 to .766. Yes his 3 point % only went from .283 to .273, but that is a little misleading. He spent most of last year above that, but it tanked later in the year and he was very good in the playoffs. His 2 point FG % went from .420 to .274. So far teams are still guarding Smart. Look at that Atlanta game with 3 guys coming after him, allowing him to find a wide open player. That is going to stop if this shooting continues. You simply guard him one on one, dare him to shoot and play him to pass. At this point I would bench any player or players that double and tripple team Smart if I was the coach on the other team. My whole point was Smart is a very smart player, yet he seems lost on offense more so this year. He looks quicker than last year, but it hasn't helped one bit. At this point I think its mental and not he can't do better. He needs someone to work with him. He needs to learn how to be physical without drawing charging fouls. He almost seems scared when in the paint. Like the only thing he worries about is not getting a charging call. I agree with everything you’ve said, except the Rondo treatment part. Rondo treatment is teams sitting back and daring you to shoot from the outside. Nothing’s changed this year on his outside shooting is my point. It’s always been putrid and still is. His percentages are down inside the paint. I wasn’t questioning any other part of what you said regarding Marcus’ game. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 20, 2017 14:45:56 GMT -5
Yes this thought has been out there since the night GH went down, it certainly has opened the door for both Brown and Tatum to play bigger parts and develop quicker. Just an observation but doesn't Tatum look like a gangly teenager running up and down the court at times? Like a kid that still hasn't grown into his body yet. Just one more reason to be excited about his potential. Add 20-25 pounds of muscle along with his makeup and development and the C's have a superstar in the making. Danny mentioned he expects him to grow another 2 inches or so as well... i don’t know how he would know that but truth is he’s 19 so he could actually grow more. I don’t think that’s necessarily a benefit though. There was the same type of talk about the Greek Freak having open growth plates and the chance he was still growing, which he did. After being drafted at 18 he grew another 2 inches or so. As for it being a benefit or not I don't see how it couldn't be. Anthony Davis also had a late growth spurt. With Tatums broad shoulders, athleticism and smooth shooting along with another inch or so plus 25 lbs. The Celtics could have there own freak. Could he approach Durant type status? Who knows but from what I have seen there isn't much he can't do and he is just scratching the surface. The future is looking more exciting by the week with this team. How far has Brown come? I think he is just getting started also, these past few games show a quickly maturing game. By half way thru the season both Tatum and Brown could show the ability to take over a game in spurts and they are both just getting started. They will make it 16 in a row tonight!! When does this madness end? And to think many thought it would take time to gel WITH GH!! Without arguably there best player and a 19 and 20 year old starting, 16 in a row!! I think this just goes to show that Stevens got an awful lot out of the players he has had to work with in the past and now that he has a better roster he is really showing how great a coach he is. Also have to give Danny another nod on being a great talent evaluator. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2017 17:23:46 GMT -5
It’s going to be a little sad getting a close up look at the artist formerly known as Dirk tonight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 20, 2017 21:10:09 GMT -5
Well this game is over lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 20, 2017 21:23:40 GMT -5
Well this game is over lol. Nevermind. |
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Post by swooptech on Nov 20, 2017 21:52:30 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Smart would be a much more valuable if he shot 95% less?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Nov 20, 2017 21:59:06 GMT -5
M. Smart is killing this team. The worst shooter who shots very often.
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Post by jmei on Nov 20, 2017 22:11:03 GMT -5
The 2-3 zone really gummed up their offense.
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