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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 24, 2019 19:45:45 GMT -5
Are we really putting Fitzgerald in this discussion? I get he's had a great a season but he's only 6 months younger than Chatham at a level lower and Chatham has a much longer track record of being a prospect so I'd be very hesitant to declare Fitzgerald a better prospect at this point. I've seen him a lot. He's solid at everything and has considerably more pop than Chatham. No plus tools but also no minus tools. Plays 2B, SS & 3B. I don't care about pedigree. You've definitely seen him more than I have, but I'm still going to respectfully disagree. 42 games of production does not mean that much to me when this 42 game season to date is the first time ever that Fitzgerald is putting up better numbers than Chatham has. You may not care about pedigree, but it absolutely matters. Fitzgerald had a career college OPS of .692, including .610 his senior year. This is really the first time he's hit well since high school, whereas Chatham has five years of evidence that he has a quality hit tool. It's great that Fitzgerald is on an upward trajectory that, from his profile, is the result of a launch angle change, and you can for sure buy into that if you want. But I don't think it's smart to do so. Also, looking at their numbers side to side, if you account for the fact that A+ to AA is generally referred to as the biggest jump to make in the minors, I'm not even sure Fitzgerald has been drastically better than Chatham this season. Better for sure, but marginally. ADD: Even if you think Fitzgerald is a better prospect than Chatham, he most certainly does not belong in the same sentence as the other three guys you mentioned.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 24, 2019 20:12:31 GMT -5
I'm not looking at production. I'm looking at the player. Fitzgerald is a better player than Chatham right now. Fitzgerald is faster, stronger and more versatile. He also doesn't make many mental errors. He's solid everyplace.
As far as production goes, Chatham appears to be a slap singles hitter with no speed. 100 pts OPS difference is not marginal.
And he belongs in the same sentence because I was ranking utility players, this is a Chatham thread and he's ahead of Chatham in my mind.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 24, 2019 20:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 24, 2019 21:15:19 GMT -5
I'm not looking at production. I'm looking at the player. Fitzgerald is a better player than Chatham right now. Fitzgerald is faster, stronger and more versatile. He also doesn't make many mental errors. He's solid everyplace. As far as production goes, Chatham appears to be a slap singles hitter with no speed. 100 pts OPS difference is not marginal. And he belongs in the same sentence because I was ranking utility players, this is a Chatham thread and he's ahead of Chatham in my mind. Well for starters it's only a 61 point difference in OPS so you're wildly exaggerating the difference and you didn't even acknowledge the level difference. Which I am betting is intentional. You don't like Chatham, I get it. He's not exciting by any means. But I think you're in the minority of people who would have Fitzgerald ahead of him right now, and it's going to take at least the rest of the year of Fitzgerald hitting better than Chatham (and he would have to continue to increase the gap greater than it is) for me to start to that take idea seriously. edit: I got the OPS difference wrong. It is 100 points, but I still stand behind my point due to the level difference. I was looking at the SP stats page which must be really not up to date.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 24, 2019 21:56:18 GMT -5
Again, I'm not basing it on stats, I'm basing it on what I see. It's not the 100 point difference.
I don't see a major league shortstop in Chatham and I see a solid utility player in Fitzgerald who by the way, SP hasn't had eyes on.
Being in the minority doesn't affect me. I'm not exactly your typical follow the flock kind of person. Our mileage varies, we can leave it at that.
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Post by Coreno on May 25, 2019 0:16:01 GMT -5
For the record, Fitz is 6mo older than CJ, not younger.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 25, 2019 1:00:17 GMT -5
For the record, Fitz is 6mo older than CJ, not younger. Good catch, SP has the age wrong on their page but the DoB is correct for both (cross referenced with Baseball-Reference).
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 3, 2019 23:33:13 GMT -5
1 XBH (2B) in his last 96 plate appearances. .276/.313/.287
Had 9 doubles in his first 14 games. No homers on the year.
7% BB, 15% K, .071 ISO, .364 BABIP
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Post by ramireja on Aug 15, 2019 12:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2019 14:35:22 GMT -5
10 homers, a bunch of doubles, and solid defense at short makes you a good player
I think he’ll get there too
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 15, 2019 15:21:10 GMT -5
10 homers, a bunch of doubles, and solid defense at short makes you a good player I think he’ll get there too Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2019 15:26:10 GMT -5
10 homers, a bunch of doubles, and solid defense at short makes you a good player I think he’ll get there too Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions It's really important to have players like that either on the bench or in AAA that can cover for injuries.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 15, 2019 16:10:44 GMT -5
Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions It's really important to have players like that either on the bench or in AAA that can cover for injuries. He doesn't have to be good, he just has to be better than Eduardo Nunez.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 15, 2019 16:19:26 GMT -5
It's really important to have players like that either on the bench or in AAA that can cover for injuries. He doesn't have to be good, he just has to be better than Eduardo Nunez. This understates how awful a player can be while still being better than Eduardo Nunez. (For my part, I'm not convinced Chatham can be less awful enough than Nunez to be a serviceable depth option, but agree that if he can make it to that level he would have some real value.)
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2019 16:20:58 GMT -5
10 homers, a bunch of doubles, and solid defense at short makes you a good player I think he’ll get there too Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions He'd be a great second baseman.
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Post by pd on Aug 15, 2019 18:14:49 GMT -5
Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions He'd be a great second baseman. Better than Marco Hernandez?
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 15, 2019 18:52:10 GMT -5
I hope Boston can find a spot for him. Second base would be logical since short is accounted for. At the least, he's a back-up utility guy at a low salary.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2019 19:53:24 GMT -5
He'd be a great second baseman. Better than Marco Hernandez? No one is better than Marco Hernandez!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 15, 2019 23:03:13 GMT -5
They'll probably start Chatham in AAA next year, switching him around defensively. I think Chris Owings gets the first crack at a platoon job in the bench in the MLB bench.
I have no idea what they do with Chavis. He seems destined to be trade bait. He shouldn't be a platoon 2nd and 1B. That would be a waste of a asset.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 16, 2019 0:58:37 GMT -5
Except he’ll never crack the starting lineup on our team unless he switches positions It's really important to have players like that either on the bench or in AAA that can cover for injuries. good point
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Post by cdj on Aug 16, 2019 5:50:25 GMT -5
They'll probably start Chatham in AAA next year, switching him around defensively. I think Chris Owings gets the first crack at a platoon job in the bench in the MLB bench. I have no idea what they do with Chavis. He seems destined to be trade bait. He shouldn't be a platoon 2nd and 1B. That would be a waste of a asset. Owings won’t be on the roster if they’re serious about competing next year He’s a miserable player at the big league level
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 6:18:26 GMT -5
They'll probably start Chatham in AAA next year, switching him around defensively. I think Chris Owings gets the first crack at a platoon job in the bench in the MLB bench. I have no idea what they do with Chavis. He seems destined to be trade bait. He shouldn't be a platoon 2nd and 1B. That would be a waste of a asset. Owings won’t be on the roster if they’re serious about competing next year He’s a miserable player at the big league level It would be just a crack. He would be platooning at best and the 25th man on the bench. We saw Eduardo Nunez for 2 years, I think they could live with Owings as a platoon guy for 2 months. If he is as miserable as a offensive player as you describe to that point, then Catham comes up and Owings is gone.
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Post by brisox on Aug 16, 2019 6:49:45 GMT -5
Better than Marco Hernandez? No one is better than Marco Hernandez! been beating that drum for a long time, glad he is finally healthy and can show the kind of player he is.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Aug 16, 2019 7:51:32 GMT -5
Owings won’t be on the roster if they’re serious about competing next year He’s a miserable player at the big league level It would be just a crack. He would be platooning at best and the 25th man on the bench. We saw Eduardo Nunez for 2 years, I think they could live with Owings as a platoon guy for 2 months. If he is as miserable as a offensive player as you describe to that point, then Catham comes up and Owings is gone. We don't need a platoon backup second baseman who's just as horrible a hitter against lefties as he is against righties. You have Chavis and Hernandez - there's no use for Owings.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 16, 2019 8:28:27 GMT -5
It would be just a crack. He would be platooning at best and the 25th man on the bench. We saw Eduardo Nunez for 2 years, I think they could live with Owings as a platoon guy for 2 months. If he is as miserable as a offensive player as you describe to that point, then Catham comes up and Owings is gone. We don't need a platoon backup second baseman who's just as horrible a hitter against lefties as he is against righties. You have Chavis and Hernandez - there's no use for Owings. Chatham will not be a regular starter for the Sox but he will be a good bench cog or a platoon guy that doesn't hurt you. All I am saying is give Owings a chance.... I gotta feelin'... and, as we know, no one misses more than Chavis...time to flatten and shorten his swing...
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