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Post by bosox on Jan 25, 2018 18:27:05 GMT -5
Whoah Brewers acquire Yellich. For Lewis Brinson, Isan Diaz, Monte Harrison, and Jordan Yamamoto. Thats a nice return. I mean, Yellich is a stud and should command a nice return, so not saying anything about who won the trade. Do they have another move coming? They have Braun, Broxton and Santana in the OF already. Does Broxton go to the bench?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 19:01:28 GMT -5
The Brewers have been eyeing Cain and Darvish also. They may be really busy to end the off-season.
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Post by Coreno on Jan 25, 2018 19:20:10 GMT -5
Isan Diaz is something of a local kid. Went to High School in Springfield, MA. Came to the Brewers in the Segura deal a few years ago.
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Post by bosox on Jan 25, 2018 19:26:57 GMT -5
The Brewers have been eyeing Cain and Darvish also. They may be really busy to end the off-season. Cain is on his way. Wow. Cain, Yellich, Braun, Santana and Broxton. Something else is Brewing.... @ken_Rosenthal #Brewers in agreement with free-agent outfielder Lorenzo Cain, sources tell The Athletic. Deal is pending a physical. Update: Per Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick Lorenzo Cain has agreed on a 5-year, $80M deal with the #Brewers, source says. It’s the biggest free agent contract of the offseason. The deal includes no-trade protection and significant award bonuses. Milwaukee building a super outfield with addition of Yelich and Cain.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 25, 2018 20:42:43 GMT -5
Honestly I don't get it.
Christian Yelich is a really good player....but wouldn't the Brewers have been better off with Braun and Santana in the corners and Lewis Brinson in CF?
The Brewers are pretty cost conscious, yet the spend $80 million over 5 years for a 32 year CF in Cain? What sense does that make? I'd rather have Brinson for much cheaper over the next five years than Cain.
And is the dropoff from Santana to Yelich isn't that huge - is it? Did Yelich even have a better year than Santana?
I mean, how does this work out? You have Braun, Yelich, Cain, and Santana for 3 spots in the OF. Unless the NL has the DH next year I don't get it.
So you have Santana, Broxton, and Phillips as trade bait, so unless the Brewers make a kick butt deal for a really good young starting pitcher or two I don't get it.
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Post by bosox on Jan 25, 2018 20:49:11 GMT -5
Honestly I don't get it. Christian Yelich is a really good player....but wouldn't the Brewers have been better off with Braun and Santana in the corners and Lewis Brinson in CF? The Brewers are pretty cost conscious, yet the spend $80 million over 5 years for a 32 year CF in Cain? What sense does that make? I'd rather have Brinson for much cheaper over the next five years than Cain. And is the dropoff from Santana to Yelich isn't that huge - is it? Did Yelich even have a better year than Santana? I mean, how does this work out? You have Braun, Yelich, Cain, and Santana for 3 spots in the OF. Unless the NL has the DH next year I don't get it. So you have Santana, Broxton, and Phillips as trade bait, so unless the Brewers make a kick butt deal for a really good young starting pitcher or two I don't get it. I would think the Indians could use a Santana in Chisenhall's place and can afford to give up a pitcher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 20:53:50 GMT -5
I wonder if the Sox pursue Braun if the Brewers take back Hanley and eat a little of the end of the Braun contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:03:21 GMT -5
I wonder if the Sox pursue Braun if the Brewers take back Hanley and eat a little of the end of the Braun contract. Not sure what it would take to trade for Braun. He will be paid 19 million in 2018 18 million in 2019 16 million in 2020 and a mutual option for 15 million in 2021So you're looking at 4/68m 4 Braun compared to 6/150 or 6/130.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 21:09:26 GMT -5
I wonder if the Sox pursue Braun if the Brewers take back Hanley and eat a little of the end of the Braun contract. Not sure what it would take to trade for Braun. He will be paid 19 million in 2018 18 million in 2019 16 million in 2020 and a mutual option for 15 million in 2021So you're looking at 4/68m 4 Braun compared to 6/150 or 6/130. Braun is owed 57 million guarenteed the next 3 years with a 4 million dollar buyout in 2021. I imagine it would be more of a salary dump trade for the Brewers freeing up long-term payroll moves in the future. Braun would feature the same role on the Sox as JDM would and it would free the Sox up to make extensions in the future. The only hurdle would be getting Braun to waive his no trade 10/5 rights.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:23:46 GMT -5
Not sure what it would take to trade for Braun. He will be paid 19 million in 2018 18 million in 2019 16 million in 2020 and a mutual option for 15 million in 2021So you're looking at 4/68m 4 Braun compared to 6/150 or 6/130. Braun is owed 57 million guarenteed the next 3 years with a 4 million dollar buyout in 2021. I imagine it would be more of a salary dump trade for the Brewers freeing up long-term payroll moves in the future. Braun would feature the same role on the Sox as JDM would and it would free the Sox up to make extensions in the future. The only hurdle would be getting Braun to waive his no trade 10/5 rights. I see your math now . 3 years of 57 and then in 2021 he has the 15 million-dollar Mutual option with a 4 million dollar buyout. Braun will be 34 years old in 2018 which is another factor. along with the price of prospects are players it would cost to acquire him.The Brewers are looking for Major League ready pitching. I'm not sure about acquiring Braun but it less money than JDM it might be worth looking into for the Sox.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 21:30:42 GMT -5
Braun is owed 57 million guarenteed the next 3 years with a 4 million dollar buyout in 2021. I imagine it would be more of a salary dump trade for the Brewers freeing up long-term payroll moves in the future. Braun would feature the same role on the Sox as JDM would and it would free the Sox up to make extensions in the future. The only hurdle would be getting Braun to waive his no trade 10/5 rights. I see your math now . 3 years of 57 and then in 2021 he has the 15 million-dollar Mutual option with a 4 million dollar buyout. Braun will be 34 years old in 2018 which is another factor. along with the price of prospects are players it would cost to acquire him.The Brewers are looking for Major League ready pitching. I'm not sure about acquiring Braun but it less money than JDM it might be worth looking into for the Sox. Braun is one year removed from a year where he hit 134 wRC+ in 2016 and 131 wRC+ in 2015. He hit 110 wRC+ in limited games last year due to injury. I think the DH position would be the best move for Braun at this point in his career and would help keep him healthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:37:26 GMT -5
I see your math now . 3 years of 57 and then in 2021 he has the 15 million-dollar Mutual option with a 4 million dollar buyout. Braun will be 34 years old in 2018 which is another factor. along with the price of prospects are players it would cost to acquire him.The Brewers are looking for Major League ready pitching. I'm not sure about acquiring Braun but it less money than JDM it might be worth looking into for the Sox. Braun is one year removed from a year where he hit 134 wRC+ in 2016 and 131 wRC+ in 2015. He hit 110 wRC+ in limited games last year due to injury. I think the DH position would be the best move for Braun at this point in his career and would help keep him healthy. I'll agree with you about putting Braun at DH which would be better for him.But at what price would it take for the Red Sox to acquire him.There's no DH in national league so they wouldn't take Hanley off our hands . I may offer Porcello for Braun this way we dump 21 million over the next two years. But who do we replace Porcello with?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 21:39:04 GMT -5
Braun is one year removed from a year where he hit 134 wRC+ in 2016 and 131 wRC+ in 2015. He hit 110 wRC+ in limited games last year due to injury. I think the DH position would be the best move for Braun at this point in his career and would help keep him healthy. I'll agree with you about putting Braun at DH which would be better for him.But at what price would it take for the Red Sox to acquire him.There's no DH in national league so they wouldn't take Hanley off our hands . I may offer Porcello for Braun this way we dump 21 million over the next two years. But who do we replace Porcello with? You could sign Cobb if you traded Porcello. You could also sign J.D. Martinez and trade JBJ for a cost controllable starting pitcher. Hanley would probably serve as a backup first baseman, pinch hitter, and DH against AL teams for the Brewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:50:17 GMT -5
Braun is one year removed from a year where he hit 134 wRC+ in 2016 and 131 wRC+ in 2015. He hit 110 wRC+ in limited games last year due to injury. I think the DH position would be the best move for Braun at this point in his career and would help keep him healthy. I'll agree with you about putting Braun at DH which would be better for him.But at what price would it take for the Red Sox to acquire him.There's no DH in national league so they wouldn't take Hanley off our hands . I may offer Porcello for Braun this way we dump 21 million over the next two years. But who do we replace Porcello with? OH MY GOD. . COBB WOULD COST A DRAFT PICK. TRADE JBJ !!! SIGN JDM FOR 6 YEARS!!! wait. what. Just kidding. I like Braun for DH for the next 3 years idea but I don't want to mess up the outfield to do it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 25, 2018 22:10:05 GMT -5
I'll agree with you about putting Braun at DH which would be better for him.But at what price would it take for the Red Sox to acquire him.There's no DH in national league so they wouldn't take Hanley off our hands . I may offer Porcello for Braun this way we dump 21 million over the next two years. But who do we replace Porcello with? OH MY GOD. . COBB WOULD COST A DRAFT PICK. TRADE JBJ !!! SIGN JDM FOR 6 YEARS!!! wait. what. Just kidding. I like Braun for DH for the next 3 years idea but I don't want to mess up the outfield to do it. The point is that it gives you the flexibility to do whatever you want.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 25, 2018 22:10:34 GMT -5
Honestly I don't get it. Christian Yelich is a really good player....but wouldn't the Brewers have been better off with Braun and Santana in the corners and Lewis Brinson in CF? The Brewers are pretty cost conscious, yet the spend $80 million over 5 years for a 32 year CF in Cain? What sense does that make? I'd rather have Brinson for much cheaper over the next five years than Cain. And is the dropoff from Santana to Yelich isn't that huge - is it? Did Yelich even have a better year than Santana? I mean, how does this work out? You have Braun, Yelich, Cain, and Santana for 3 spots in the OF. Unless the NL has the DH next year I don't get it. So you have Santana, Broxton, and Phillips as trade bait, so unless the Brewers make a kick butt deal for a really good young starting pitcher or two I don't get it. I would think the Indians could use a Santana in Chisenhall's place and can afford to give up a pitcher. I see where you're going. If Salazar had been pitching better I'd say Salazar for Santana, but the Indians would have to kick in more. Salazar may be too much of a question mark after being injured the past two seasons.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 25, 2018 22:15:05 GMT -5
I'll agree with you about putting Braun at DH which would be better for him.But at what price would it take for the Red Sox to acquire him.There's no DH in national league so they wouldn't take Hanley off our hands . I may offer Porcello for Braun this way we dump 21 million over the next two years. But who do we replace Porcello with? You could sign Cobb if you traded Porcello. You could also sign J.D. Martinez and trade JBJ for a cost controllable starting pitcher. Hanley would probably serve as a backup first baseman, pinch hitter, and DH against AL teams for the Brewers. Don't think the Brewers are going to trade their franchise player. Porcello for Braun would make some sense if the Brewers are looking for pitching and don't think Porcello is as bad as he was last year. Still, I don't see it. Hard to imagine the Brewers would trade their franchise player who is still their best offensive player during a year the Brewers fully expect to compete. Trading Santana would be more likely to help them get the pitching they seek. But you do raise a good point. If the Brew Crew was inclined to trade a guy who is likely their cleanup hitter this year, he'd be a good target for the Sox despite my personal feelings about the guy (PEDs related; throwing tester under the bus). Personally I'd still rather sign JD Martinez, but who knows where exactly that's going?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 25, 2018 22:15:50 GMT -5
That is a very good contract for Cain. I would do Braun for Ramirez, but that could back fire big time.
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Jan 26, 2018 8:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by Coreno on Jan 26, 2018 11:11:49 GMT -5
I had completely forgotten that Cain came up with the Brewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 11:16:29 GMT -5
You could sign Cobb if you traded Porcello. You could also sign J.D. Martinez and trade JBJ for a cost controllable starting pitcher. Hanley would probably serve as a backup first baseman, pinch hitter, and DH against AL teams for the Brewers. Don't think the Brewers are going to trade their franchise player. Porcello for Braun would make some sense if the Brewers are looking for pitching and don't think Porcello is as bad as he was last year. Still, I don't see it. Hard to imagine the Brewers would trade their franchise player who is still their best offensive player during a year the Brewers fully expect to compete. Trading Santana would be more likely to help them get the pitching they seek. But you do raise a good point. If the Brew Crew was inclined to trade a guy who is likely their cleanup hitter this year, he'd be a good target for the Sox despite my personal feelings about the guy (PEDs related; throwing tester under the bus). Personally I'd still rather sign JD Martinez, but who knows where exactly that's going? [b Tampa Bay Rays turn down a trade proposal from the Brewers that offered Domingo Santana for Chris Archer. So the Brewers are looking for that caliber type pitcher Braun would be an upgrade for the Sox but as you said I don't think the Brewers will part reports have the Brewers moving Braun to first base.
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Post by p23w on Jan 26, 2018 13:43:09 GMT -5
Wonder if it had anything to do with the passing of the bat fetching dog (forgot his name). Trenton has always had a soft spot for animal "acts".
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2018 11:09:00 GMT -5
Baseball America Verified account @baseballamerica 6m6 minutes ago More The Padres signed 33-year-old SoCal native Allen Craig, a first baseman and corner outfielder, to a minor league deal following three poor seasons at Triple-A Pawtucket in the Red Sox system.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2018 12:38:28 GMT -5
Wonder if it had anything to do with the passing of the bat fetching dog (forgot his name). Trenton has always had a soft spot for animal "acts". FWIW, they've been training one of the dog's puppies for a few years to do the same gig, so they still have a bat dog.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 29, 2018 12:48:07 GMT -5
Wonder if it had anything to do with the passing of the bat fetching dog (forgot his name). Trenton has always had a soft spot for animal "acts". FWIW, they've been training one of the dog's puppies for a few years to do the same gig, so they still have a bat dog. As someone who work in Trenton and has been to games at their stadium I can tell you that the new dog is already taking part in on field activities (this was as of the end of this past summer which was the last time I was there). Also happy to see they made the right decision to call them Pork Rolls and not the Taylor Hams.
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