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4/30-5/2 Red Sox vs. Royals Series Thread
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Post by 180054giant on Apr 30, 2018 22:21:07 GMT -5
I know the calls in that inning were our way but man CB Buckner is a POS! One thing I'll say about Tim Neverett is that he has no qualms calling out the umpires when they completely blow calls (I'm on the Left Coast and listening on MLB AtBat at work 90% of the time). I don't recall Dave O'Brien being this vocal about it. I can’t stand how slow Neverett’s delivery is. There will be a ball in his play and it’ll take him 10 seconds to let people know if it was caught or not. That might play on TV but not radio.
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Post by ericmvan on May 1, 2018 1:36:51 GMT -5
I honestly don't know whether to laugh, cry, or stop spending time here.
The last time Steven Wright was healthy, he was a legitimate All-Star starting pitcher. Hector Velazquez has, surprisingly, been a bit better than average this year.
There will be indeed be room for just one of them to fill the role of mop-up reliever ... until any one of eight guys gets hurt, at which point there will be room for both.
Even if Velazquez projected to be better than Wright, which is unclear at best, the notion that you would DFA an All-Star before seeing whether he could, you know, do that again at some point in the future, in order to (maybe but quite possibly not) upgrade the position of mop-up reliever, when you could send the other guy down to Pawtucket, thus keeping both your #6 and #7 starters in the organization ....
Really, folks.
Meanwhile, it now looks like Xander leads all MLB players with 50+ PA in wRC+.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 1:58:58 GMT -5
Velazquez has been pitching well all year and has kept the Sox in a lot of important games. He's been more than a mop up reliever here in Boston.
Wright on the other hand hasn't pitched well in 2 years (including this one) and hasn't been healthy since mid 2016.
I think it's legitimate to bring up a Wright DFA situation. It could happen. Injuries are the only unknown between now and the end of Wright's suspension, but we will see about that. We will have 2 weeks before we start getting answers here.
If anything, Johnson has been the mop up guy so far this year.
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Post by Guidas on May 1, 2018 7:19:36 GMT -5
Great win. Go Houston.
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Post by jchang on May 1, 2018 8:44:53 GMT -5
I honestly don't know whether to laugh, cry, or stop spending time here. The last time Steven Wright was healthy, he was a legitimate All-Star starting pitcher. Hector Velazquez has, surprisingly, been a bit better than average this year. There will be indeed be room for just one of them to fill the role of mop-up reliever ... until any one of eight guys gets hurt, at which point there will be room for both.Even if Velazquez projected to be better than Wright, which is unclear at best, the notion that you would DFA an All-Star before seeing whether he could, you know, do that again at some point in the future, in order to (maybe but quite possibly not) upgrade the position of mop-up reliever, when you could send the other guy down to Pawtucket, thus keeping both your #6 and #7 starters in the organization .... Really, folks. Meanwhile, it now looks like Xander leads all MLB players with 50+ PA in wRC+. I do think we have more than enough starting/long relief pitchers for the 25-man plus AAA depth. No reason to hate or despise Wright in terms of talent. Lets find a way to get him and the others sufficient innings to see if we can get a good trade return. Then again this is Boston, what have you done for me lately/last. Tolerance for failure to deliver is not measured in inches/seconds, not miles/months
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2018 8:55:23 GMT -5
I honestly don't know whether to laugh, cry, or stop spending time here. The last time Steven Wright was healthy, he was a legitimate All-Star starting pitcher. Hector Velazquez has, surprisingly, been a bit better than average this year. There will be indeed be room for just one of them to fill the role of mop-up reliever ... until any one of eight guys gets hurt, at which point there will be room for both.Even if Velazquez projected to be better than Wright, which is unclear at best, the notion that you would DFA an All-Star before seeing whether he could, you know, do that again at some point in the future, in order to (maybe but quite possibly not) upgrade the position of mop-up reliever, when you could send the other guy down to Pawtucket, thus keeping both your #6 and #7 starters in the organization .... Really, folks. Meanwhile, it now looks like Xander leads all MLB players with 50+ PA in wRC+. I think that's a pretty harsh criticism of everyone here. Wright was an All-Star 2 years ago and that was the last time he was good. He's almost 34 years old and there's no guarantee that he comes back to even be worthy of a major league spot even for a non-contending team, let alone on a team with a lack of roster options and at least 3 other #6 starters who are probably as good as he is if not better. Losing Wright on a team that has Velazquez and Johnson already pitching long-relief with Beeks in AAA is not the end of the world, even if Wright was an All-Star 2 years ago, which was also the last time he was worthy of being in the majors. In fact, it would not shock me at all if he cleared waivers and we could keep him anyway.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 9:03:47 GMT -5
I honestly don't know whether to laugh, cry, or stop spending time here. The last time Steven Wright was healthy, he was a legitimate All-Star starting pitcher. Hector Velazquez has, surprisingly, been a bit better than average this year. There will be indeed be room for just one of them to fill the role of mop-up reliever ... until any one of eight guys gets hurt, at which point there will be room for both.Even if Velazquez projected to be better than Wright, which is unclear at best, the notion that you would DFA an All-Star before seeing whether he could, you know, do that again at some point in the future, in order to (maybe but quite possibly not) upgrade the position of mop-up reliever, when you could send the other guy down to Pawtucket, thus keeping both your #6 and #7 starters in the organization .... Really, folks. Meanwhile, it now looks like Xander leads all MLB players with 50+ PA in wRC+. In fact, it would not shock me at all if he cleared waivers and we could keep him anyway. I agreed with everything you said up until this point. I think he gets claimed. With the lack of starting pitching options around the league with some major league teams, some team who needs rotation help will give him a shot I'm sure. Edit- Wright is making 400 thousand over the major league minimum or something like that this year. It basically costs nothing for a team to take a chance too.
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2018 9:10:06 GMT -5
What I'm most concerned about with Wright is how long will it take for him to regain form? It took him years to get good the first time. Is he just going to know how to get back to that point really quickly? Because if it takes him even 3 months, that's not something the Red Sox can afford to wait for.
I'm more than happy with Johnson in Wright's role. His stats would be a lot better if he hadn't given up three 80+ mph ground ball singles (one of which was because Nunez has 0 range or ability at 2b) and a 359 foot HR to a guy who failed to bunt in giving up 4 runs to the Rays the other night.
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Post by ctfisher on May 1, 2018 9:15:04 GMT -5
I honestly don't know whether to laugh, cry, or stop spending time here. The last time Steven Wright was healthy, he was a legitimate All-Star starting pitcher. Hector Velazquez has, surprisingly, been a bit better than average this year. There will be indeed be room for just one of them to fill the role of mop-up reliever ... until any one of eight guys gets hurt, at which point there will be room for both.Even if Velazquez projected to be better than Wright, which is unclear at best, the notion that you would DFA an All-Star before seeing whether he could, you know, do that again at some point in the future, in order to (maybe but quite possibly not) upgrade the position of mop-up reliever, when you could send the other guy down to Pawtucket, thus keeping both your #6 and #7 starters in the organization .... Really, folks. Meanwhile, it now looks like Xander leads all MLB players with 50+ PA in wRC+. I think that's a pretty harsh criticism of everyone here. Wright was an All-Star 2 years ago and that was the last time he was good. He's almost 34 years old and there's no guarantee that he comes back to even be worthy of a major league spot even for a non-contending team, let alone on a team with a lack of roster options and at least 3 other #6 starters who are probably as good as he is if not better. Losing Wright on a team that has Velazquez and Johnson already pitching long-relief with Beeks in AAA is not the end of the world, even if Wright was an All-Star 2 years ago, which was also the last time he was worthy of being in the majors. In fact, it would not shock me at all if he cleared waivers and we could keep him anyway. Wright has thrown a grand total of about 30 innings since 2016 and given that he's a knuckleballer, i think the fact that he's 34 is pretty much irrelevant. If his fastball goes from 86 to 84 it's not gonna hurt him. Maybe he just lost it, but it probably makes sense to give him more than a month to figure it out, cause he pretty clearly does have a higher ceiling than velazquez. And even if you don't buy the ceiling argument, it would seem to make sense to see if wright can establish any kind of trade value given that Velazquez has options and is unlikely to swing a bunch of games in the short run
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 9:46:27 GMT -5
If you're replacing a good pitcher from your bullpen (Velazquez) and replacing him with a bad pitcher in your bullpen (potentially Wright), it's eventually going to hurt.
If Wright stinks, than the value in terms of WAR might not be great, but in terms of games won and lost it could be. Especially if the Sox go on a stretch for a week or 2 straight where every game is practically decided by one or two runs.
Bullpens are becoming more important now that the game is trending towards getting your starter out by the third time through the batting order.
Velazquez hasn't been treated like a long man, he's been put in a lot of games where his performance mattered. Last night being a good example. Also the Fenway opener where Velazquez came in to a two run deficit in the top of the ninth and the Sox tied it in the bottom of the 9th.
Edit- I disagree on the ceiling of both Wright and Velazquez. Velazquez is showing his ceiling right now, either as a piggy back starter or as a 5th starter. He's been good or great in both roles. What is Wright's ceiling as a player? A player who can't pitch in bad weather, who can't stay healthy, and might have half of a great season before dropping off? Will he ever be great again after all the injuries?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 1, 2018 11:41:17 GMT -5
Laugh is the winner
Comedy hour
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Post by Canseco on May 1, 2018 13:16:07 GMT -5
Phantom DL trips can often solve these crunches in the short term. It’s not an awful way to limit innings pitched for some guys.
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Post by radiohix on May 1, 2018 13:54:09 GMT -5
Phantom DL trips can often solve these crunches in the short term. It’s not an awful way to limit innings pitched for some guys. This. The dodgers have took the phantom injury with 10 days DL trip to an art form last year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2018 14:46:47 GMT -5
Phantom DL trips can often solve these crunches in the short term. It’s not an awful way to limit innings pitched for some guys. This. The dodgers have took the phantom injury with 10 days DL trip to an art form last year. Too bad you'd lose the roster spot for getting suspended or else I'd advocate drilling MFY batters or Manny Machado to thin out the roster crunch and get our pitchers about a week of rest. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Guidas on May 1, 2018 15:53:46 GMT -5
Mookie out again.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 1, 2018 18:14:59 GMT -5
Wide zone could be good for Sale.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 18:32:20 GMT -5
A piece of me just dies when I don't see Mookie in the lineup. I know there's reasons behind it, but man it stinks. He's one of those players I always stay and watch, expecting something good to happen.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 18:35:37 GMT -5
I think the Sox will have a easier time against Junis through the second time through the order. They've never seen him before.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 18:42:35 GMT -5
Devers has been a web gem specialist this game. Wow, two great plays now.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 1, 2018 18:43:46 GMT -5
Devers looking strong.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 1, 2018 18:44:52 GMT -5
Devers is a solid 3rd baseman.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 1, 2018 18:59:54 GMT -5
What if?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 19:00:00 GMT -5
Time for another grand slam Xander.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 1, 2018 19:03:20 GMT -5
we jinxed it
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 19:03:33 GMT -5
He was so close to hitting that cookie for a double...crap.
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