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Post by grandsalami on May 15, 2018 14:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 15, 2018 14:53:30 GMT -5
We can't have nice things.
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Post by James Dunne on May 15, 2018 14:55:32 GMT -5
Tyler Thornburg is also in Boston. Given that he came to Boston to not be activated I'm not sure that's good news. I'm also not sure that's bad news. It is, I guess, news.
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Post by grandsalami on May 15, 2018 14:58:02 GMT -5
Tyler Thornburg is also in Boston. Given that he came to Boston to not be activated I'm not sure that's good news. I'm also not sure that's bad news. It is, I guess, news.
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Post by James Dunne on May 15, 2018 14:59:55 GMT -5
The bright side for Smith is that he won't give up a run for awhile, which will make people very excited for him to come back and stabilize the bullpen when the time comes.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 15, 2018 15:12:40 GMT -5
I'm officially off the Smith bandwagon completely. Glad I changed my avatar when I did.
He was arguably one of the few guys who could consistently throw strikes in the bullpen, but his velocity is down from 2015.
There is a case to be made that Poyner is better than Smith, but it's hurts the Sox depth. Hopefully Maddox gets healthy sooner than later.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2018 15:33:56 GMT -5
I love that those two posts are next to each other.
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Post by doctorduck21 on May 15, 2018 16:27:00 GMT -5
This is what a lose-lose trade looks like. All 4 players involved haven't helped either team. Looking at baseball reference, Smith and Miley are practically tied in war at .6 and .5 if you only count Miley's time in Seattle since the trade. Aro and Elias threw a combined 8.2 innings.
So yeah, awful trade all around
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 15, 2018 17:04:51 GMT -5
I injured my left fingers the other day, while not paying attention to detail, and accidentally touching my lawnmowers muffler. You can't guard against all the dumb things that are possible in life. Feel bad for the guy, coming on the heels of the other injury.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2018 18:31:53 GMT -5
Dumb, dumb, dumb "accident". He is snakebit...aided just a bit by being...well, dumb.
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Post by Guidas on May 15, 2018 18:49:47 GMT -5
Jackass move. Let's hope Thornburg is ready.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 16, 2018 6:04:56 GMT -5
Thornburg has been wacky-tacked both in Portland and Pawtucket.
Shoulder subluxation for Smith sounds like "he gone" for a long time.
At least Poyner is back.
Disappointment with Wright....
I guess the Sox feel Velasquez is a AAAA guy.
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Post by James Dunne on May 16, 2018 7:14:07 GMT -5
Thornburg has been wacky-tacked both in Portland and Pawtucket. Shoulder subluxation for Smith sounds like "he gone" for a long time. At least Poyner is back. Disappointment with Wright.... I guess the Sox feel Velasquez is a AAAA guy. Velazquez is on the DL. His last two outings were his highest leverage ones so far. Plus, if they thought he was a Quad-A guy they'd probably have had him starting in Pawtucket and kept Poyner or Walden up. EDIT: Anyway, all my snark aside, this probably is building to yet another three-for-one trade for a reliever, which the system really can't handle.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 16, 2018 8:36:09 GMT -5
Thornburg has been wacky-tacked both in Portland and Pawtucket. Shoulder subluxation for Smith sounds like "he gone" for a long time. At least Poyner is back. Disappointment with Wright.... I guess the Sox feel Velasquez is a AAAA guy. Velazquez is on the DL. His last two outings were his highest leverage ones so far. Plus, if they thought he was a Quad-A guy they'd probably have had him starting in Pawtucket and kept Poyner or Walden up. EDIT: Anyway, all my snark aside, this probably is building to yet another three-for-one trade for a reliever, which the system really can't handle. Maybe if it were Swihart, Hembree, and Johnson the Sox could do a 3 for 1 for a good reliever perhaps? Nah, can't see a team even giving that up. Swihart's value is really down right now. The Sox have devalued him so badly - Dombrowski refers to him as a "25th man", not a potential starting catcher with a promising bat who can play other positions, and I'm sure teams will value him that way in a deal. I'm kidding with my proposal, but it kind of shows the 3 players that really don't have a real role on the team. I'd prefer Swihart be given a chance to be a regular catcher and I don't see a real spot for Johnson and Hembree can certainly be upgraded, and it releases the Sox from the shackles of having to keep a player on the roster because they can't go down to Pawtucket. It certainly creates more space for a reliever upgrade and makes it easier to keep guys like Poyner and Velazquez on the roster longer. Even moves up Workman on the depth chart. Meanwhile it's quite apparent the Sox will get about as much out of Carson Smith as they did Jose Melendez all those years ago when they dealt away a promising Phil Plantier. Melendez was supposed to impact the pen (1993 I think?), but instead was always injured. The Sox won't get anything out of Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if Groome pitched again before Smith. And I'm not too optimistic that Thornburg will be reliable either. The Sox will definitely need another arm. And it's frustrating that the Sox have 3 guys who can be much more valuable to another team (though I think the Sox should keep Swihart) but won't get value for them. In a perfect world the Sox get a reliable 8th inning reliever but it's not likely to happen now and the roster crunch is happening now, not on July 31st when they'd have a better shot at picking up a reliever. Don't think there are any potential Hillebrand for Kim type of deals out there at this point. And at this point these players have been devalued enough you're not going to trade 3 pennies for a nickel (or a dime which is more needed at this point).
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Post by sittingstill on May 16, 2018 9:08:02 GMT -5
The Sox won't get anything out of Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if Groome pitched again before Smith. Probably worth waiting to see from the additional testing if there's a tear or if it was just strength/fatigue-related. We had a kid with a fatigue-related shoulder subluxation at the end of 2006 who came back to pitch OK in 2007.
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Post by James Dunne on May 16, 2018 10:22:08 GMT -5
The Sox won't get anything out of Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if Groome pitched again before Smith. Probably worth waiting to see from the additional testing if there's a tear or if it was just strength/fatigue-related. We had a kid with a fatigue-related shoulder subluxation at the end of 2006 who came back to pitch OK in 2007. That's true, but he'd have missed another couple months had the season not ended. Even it resembles the Papelbon injury we're looking at the trade deadline before hes' back.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 16, 2018 10:34:21 GMT -5
Thornburg has been wacky-tacked both in Portland and Pawtucket. Shoulder subluxation for Smith sounds like "he gone" for a long time. At least Poyner is back. Disappointment with Wright.... I guess the Sox feel Velasquez is a AAAA guy. Velazquez is on the DL. His last two outings were his highest leverage ones so far. Plus, if they thought he was a Quad-A guy they'd probably have had him starting in Pawtucket and kept Poyner or Walden up. EDIT: Anyway, all my snark aside, this probably is building to yet another three-for-one trade for a reliever, which the system really can't handle. Yup I know Velasquez is on the DL.....I had a jaundiced feeling that it was something of a phantom (teams have been known to massage the process) as I had not read of an injury and there were positive comments on Wright as well as speculation that a promotion was imminent. The moves were close in time. Also Velasquez was up last year in more emergency situations...need a body... by recall. And....my internal snarkometer did not register a reading so no issue.😉
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2018 11:57:43 GMT -5
Velazquez is on the DL. His last two outings were his highest leverage ones so far. Plus, if they thought he was a Quad-A guy they'd probably have had him starting in Pawtucket and kept Poyner or Walden up. EDIT: Anyway, all my snark aside, this probably is building to yet another three-for-one trade for a reliever, which the system really can't handle. Yup I know Velasquez is on the DL.....I had a jaundiced feeling that it was something of a phantom (teams have been known to massage the process) as I had not read of an injury and there were positive comments on Wright as well as speculation that a promotion was imminent. The moves were close in time. Also Velasquez was up last year in more emergency situations...need a body... by recall. And....my internal snarkometer did not register a reading so no issue.😉 Right, but his point is that their usage of Velazquez in higher-leverage situations as the season goes on would indicate the opposite of that. He has options remaining - if they thought he was a AAAA guy they'd have just optioned him.
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Post by Addam603 on May 16, 2018 16:09:39 GMT -5
Whichever side is right, this is not a good look for Carson Smith.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 16, 2018 19:37:03 GMT -5
The Sox won't get anything out of Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if Groome pitched again before Smith. Probably worth waiting to see from the additional testing if there's a tear or if it was just strength/fatigue-related. We had a kid with a fatigue-related shoulder subluxation at the end of 2006 who came back to pitch OK in 2007. True. And if he comes back like Papelbon, awesome, but with Smith I get the feeling that even if he comes back he'll just get injured yet again. Kind of like it's not meant to be with him. And honestly that comment he made about his arm being tired was ridiculous. Cora was treating him with kid gloves. It's definitely a bad look for Carson Smith. At this point or any point I don't think you can count on him.
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Post by cutz on May 16, 2018 19:57:07 GMT -5
Whichever side is right, this is not a good look for Carson Smith. You're correct about Smith not looking good with saying that, especially when he was the one who threw a tantrum like a 12 year old causing the injury.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 16, 2018 20:10:23 GMT -5
Probably stinks that the team will most likely non tender him due to his comments about the manager though. I don't like what he said either, but I don't agree with getting rid of him for nothing. This guy has talent, even if he can't stay healthy.
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Post by 75tillnow on May 16, 2018 20:10:34 GMT -5
This is totally (not really) irrational. But Carson has from the get-go reminded me of Bob Stanley. A man who nearly caused me to make a pilgrimage to the Triborough Bridge. So I say: Let Him Walk.
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Post by sittingstill on May 16, 2018 20:39:48 GMT -5
And honestly that comment he made about his arm being tired was ridiculous. Cora was treating him with kid gloves. Maybe. I wonder if using him 6 days out of 9 between May 6-14, even though the pitches per outing weren't high, was enough to induce fatigue. Fifteen months on the DL, 8 games last year with decent rest in between most, stories this spring about being excited to have a "normal" spring training... just wonder if he wasn't actually ready.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 17, 2018 7:33:32 GMT -5
Probably stinks that the team will most likely non tender him due to his comments about the manager though. I don't like what he said either, but I don't agree with getting rid of him for nothing. This guy has talent, even if he can't stay healthy. If they non-tender him, it won't be because of his comments.
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