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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2018 8:45:52 GMT -5
Isaiah Thomas - 1 year veteran minimum... OUCH!!! Even during his “MVP” year, I argued he’s best suited for a sixth man role and I still think this is the case on a championship caliber team. He’s just too small to be on the court defensively. I really hope he has a big year in this role and gets a nice contract the following season. I agree, but if he gets back to what he was he'll be closing out games. That was the problem with him, he was so good offensively that you had to play him in crunch time. Heck he won us so many games and Harris is a great fit at SG for him. As much as I love Murray he's not a full-time PG on a good team. Not yet anyways. As good as that move was for Denver, its other moves were headscratchers. They dumped Chandler for nothing, then used a first round pick to get rid of Faried and Arthur to get under the tax. All three were on expiring deals. Chandler and Faried are both above average players, plus a first round pick and they got nothing in return. If you want to win trading assets to save money isn't a great way to do business. On the flip side the Nets have been on fire recently. Gotta love what they have been doing. The other moves Denver made make sense because it allows them more flexibility going forward and had opened up additional money they can work with this year without being a tax team. That tax was a big issue for them. Chandler is 31 and his play has slipped and Faried is a guy you’d like to have but he’s a smaller Center who has no range. Those guys are replaceable and less valuable today than they used to be. Don’t get me wrong he’s a fine player, but with Milleap and Jokic (presumably healthy) Faried won’t be missed. We need to wait to see who they sign now because the real trade is those guys for them and not paying the tax. I agree the first is a steep price to pay, but disagree it wasn’t for anything that’d help them. I do think the Nuggets can come out better from the salary dump, but the pick only being top 12 protected and not full lottery protection does make a big difference being in the West. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2018 9:03:00 GMT -5
Wanted a separate post for this. I think it’s a fascinating discussion.
The Nets are doing really well, but my attitude on it is so what? For Nets fans it is great they have a competent front office and that’s encouraging. Marks was given the lousy situation he’s trying to maneuver thru and he’s doing a good job in my opinion. Not everything has worked, but he’s taking smart swings and has seemingly created a good culture. They are just so far away though. They don’t have one true building block, unless you think Russel is (I have serious doubts but more on him shortly). We know in the NBA, the order in which you acquire your team and talent is almost as important, if not equally important as getting it because of the Cap and how it works. You need to be a puzzle master on top of a savant in acquiring talent.
Fast forward to next offseason. The Nets will have cap room, but only Jarret Allen as a good young player on a rookie deal. Maybe Musa will fit the bill but neither seems like a fringe all-star level guy even at the peak. So what’s the plan? Try and sign two big free agents and turn yourself into a bottom 4 playoff seed for the foreseeable future and no real path to improving unless you hit on a lower draft pick? Do you extend Russell to a big contract (not max but 20-23m a year)? Now you have him eating cap space. If you time it right you can use your other space first but then you have no space in the future and they’ll be too good to build thru the draft...
I could go on but getting too hypothetical. Million different permutations so I was just throwing a few examples. I really think their rebuild starts now. They’ve been stuck in purgatory. The Sixers rebuilt by sucking for years and making top 3 picks year after year. The Celtics rebuilt by being competitive, building a culture of competition and using the Nets high picks. This allowed the Celtics the best of both worlds. The Nets haven’t been able to do either yet. Now is their time. They need to be careful not to make themselves too good so they keep picking in the 7-10 range every year or worse the 15-18 range.
I’ll be very interested to see how they proceed.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 14, 2018 12:27:24 GMT -5
Jabari Parker 2 years 40 million to Bulls. That has some wow factor to it. Don't know what to make of that. 2 years is short and 20 per is a lot it seems.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2018 13:35:36 GMT -5
Jabari Parker 2 years 40 million to Bulls. That has some wow factor to it. Don't know what to make of that. 2 years is short and 20 per is a lot it seems. Second year is a team option so it’s basically a one year prove it deal. No real risk to Bulls |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2018 15:58:21 GMT -5
If Denver could add another impact player I would agree, but reports say they'll likely just add another Vet minimum guy. They might have a hard time making the playoffs with the Lakers, Grizz and Mavs all being a lot better. Was it worth giving up a first round pick so you could sign Barton? I mean they could have got under the cap a different way. You just got Porter Jr. at 14, Mitchell was the 13th pick last year. You're years away from being a true contender. I just hate that move and the moves that made you have to do that.
I agree about the Nets, but it's about as good as they could have done. I like Russell, LeVert, and Allen. I'm not paying Russell unless he improves this year. Might be a guy I trade for a pick. I wouldn't go after free agents either next year unless Russell and Allen take major steps forward and you get a high pick in the draft. Giving you a solid base of young players.
The Parker deal isn't risky, but I hate the Bulls moves. They are now closer to a playoff team in the East than a team that gets a top 5 pick. Like you said with the Nets timing matters and they seem to be blowing a chance to add more cheap talent. I would have loved this deal for the Kings, but not the Bulls. I just don't get the long-term plan.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2018 8:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2018 8:20:45 GMT -5
Celtics are waiting Kadeem Allen so they have at least one open 2 way contract. I hope they sign Hassan Martin. He’s been impressive in the summer league. Cut Nader, add Martin on a 2 way and sign Bird to the active roster. Then you have a second 2 way contract to work with as well.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2018 8:36:06 GMT -5
This is how I’d like the 2018-19 roster to look...
Ball handlers:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Terry Rozier
3. Marcus Smart
4. Bran Wanamaker
Wings:
5. Gordon Hayward
6. Jason Tatum
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Marcus Morris
9. Semi Ojeleye
10. Jabari Bird
Bigs:
11. Al Horford
12. Aaron Baynes
13. Daniel Theis
14. Guershon Yabusele
15. Robert Williams
2-way players:
1. Hassan Martin
2. TBD
It’s a really deep full roster and there’s not an obvious cut candidate for later in the year when the buy out market is there but that’s not a bad problem. You don’t keep a guy like Nader over Bird because he’s easier to cut.
Keith Smith had a good note book comment that mentioned a team executive saying they planned to rest guys a lot this year because of their depth so it appears they plan to take full advantage of it. Guys will be healthy and sit out games and Brad will really try to limit minutes within games during the year. Expect a lot of complaints on here about substitutions and lineups.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2018 9:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2018 11:41:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Naders contract becomes guaranteed?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 16, 2018 11:44:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Naders contract becomes guaranteed? August 1... $450k is guaranteed no matter what but becomes fully guaranteed on August 1 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 16, 2018 12:03:05 GMT -5
Celtics signed a guard Walt Lemon JR to a 2 way contract. He’s 25... seems more like a true depth guy than a developmental player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2018 13:10:54 GMT -5
I just hope they waive Nader, sign Bird and offer Martin a 2 way contract. If Martin could learn to shoot he could become a nice bench piece.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2018 7:24:28 GMT -5
Leonard going to the Raptors for DeRozen is both a blessing (not in Philly) and a curse (is Toronto finally going to be really good in the playoffs?)
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Post by mobaz on Jul 18, 2018 8:44:03 GMT -5
Leonard going to the Raptors for DeRozen is both a blessing (not in Philly) and a curse (is Toronto finally going to be really good in the playoffs?) It certainly makes the east more interesting. I don't think Lowry/Leonard is enough to unseat the Celts, but they have a few young guys who could make a step forward. Rookie coach as well. They are actually a really young team. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2018 11:22:24 GMT -5
Woj reporting Celts and Smart are closing in on a 4 year contract 46-50m.... that’s about right - just a year too soon.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 13:06:04 GMT -5
Woj reporting Celts and Smart are closing in on a 4 year contract 46-50m.... that’s about right - just a year too soon. Ohh well, it'd crush me and just feel wrong if he played for a different team. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 13:09:45 GMT -5
Waive Nader and trade Morris and maybe you stay under the cap that way.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2018 13:44:28 GMT -5
Waive Nader and trade Morris and maybe you stay under the cap that way. Dropping Nader won’t save you too much since you’ll have to add a 15th guy. 450k of his salary is guaranteed and whoever you add (say Bird) will eat up a lot of the other part of Nader’s salary. I’d still dump him though. Also, you’d need to trade Morris to a team with cap space and take back no salary. Not sure who that would be at this point. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2018 13:45:24 GMT -5
One benefit to signing him is if you brought him back one the QO, then you can’t trade him as he’d have a no trade clause.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 14:23:53 GMT -5
This has officially ended the Smart versus Rozier debate.
Now the more interesting debate is about to start. Rozier versus Kyrie.
I think the Celtics pick Kyrie if they had a choice, but Rozier is a dang good insurance policy if Kyrie picks the Knicks and ends up being a snowflake.
FWIW, James Stewart who has "underground sources" thinks Kyrie gets traded before even this season starts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 14:31:54 GMT -5
How long do you have to match a offer for a player on a QO in the NBA?
That could come into play next off season when the Kyrie and Rozier decisions come into play.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2018 15:04:59 GMT -5
How long do you have to match a offer for a player on a QO in the NBA? That could come into play next off season when the Kyrie and Rozier decisions come into play. You have 4 days I believe. Maybe 2. It won’t matter though, there is next to no chance Rozier signs before Kyrie. That’s just not how things work in the NBA. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 18, 2018 17:11:02 GMT -5
You have two days to match a restrictive offer, used to be 7 days.
Depends how the deal is structured, but I will assume it would allow us to move Morris and stay under. Only 3 teams can get that cap space and only one has it, the Kings. Hawks and Mavs would have to renounce free agent holds. I'm almost positive the Kings would do that deal, sending us second round picks. That just sounds like a bad idea. SF is there biggest need and Morris would be a massive upgrade. Portland has a huge trade exception that expires July 25th and they have a big need at SF. Still think that makes perfect sense, get a couple second round picks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2018 6:44:35 GMT -5
There’s a rumor that Marcus Smarts deal may actually work backwards. It will be front loaded and decline year to year to lower taxes down the road. That’s different and creative and actually works better for both sides if true.
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