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2018 Boston Celtics offseason
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2018 14:13:42 GMT -5
Before waiving Nader you needed to clear about 4 million. Waiving Nader and signing Bird saves you an extra $100,000. So you can do it, but you can't sign a vet with years of NBA service like Thomas.
What I've seen makes it seem that the NBA doesn't pro rate contracts. So you have till the trading deadline to make a move. So maybe Danny waits, it does give him more options and depth. I just worry about the lack of teams to make a trade with. Right now there are what 3 teams? After July 27 it goes to two teams. The Kings could make a trade or sign a few guys, the Thunder could make a trade. So while you can wait, it carries risk. It does allow you to make a trade for Butler at the deadline though. You could also trade Smart.
How likely is a Butler trade, versus the massive extra tax cost in the future? I'd make the trade now, but knowing Danny he'll wait. He loves his options.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2018 6:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 23, 2018 8:03:46 GMT -5
After reading that I am convinced that trading Morris and getting under the cap has got to be the plan. On another note what would be the chances that if Brown and Tatum continue to progress towards being stars that they would sign LT deals for less money. Lets say 10 years 25 million, they get 250 million dollar deals in their mid 20's that would make them rich and help the team by being reasonable LT/aav. Yes risk all the way around but it could help keep the band together. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2018 8:12:26 GMT -5
After reading that I am convinced that trading Morris and getting under the cap has got to be the plan. On another note what would be the chances that if Brown and Tatum continue to progress towards being stars that they would sign LT deals for less money. Lets say 10 years 25 million, they get 250 million dollar deals in their mid 20's that would make them rich and help the team by being reasonable LT/aav. Yes risk all the way around but it could help keep the band together. NBA deals max out at 5 years. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 23, 2018 14:15:00 GMT -5
I'm guessing the Celts wait until the trade deadline to sort out the cap. They have two major injury returns and there's no need to rush a trade of Morris until Kyrie and Hayward are back to full speed.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 23, 2018 19:43:11 GMT -5
After reading that I am convinced that trading Morris and getting under the cap has got to be the plan. On another note what would be the chances that if Brown and Tatum continue to progress towards being stars that they would sign LT deals for less money. Lets say 10 years 25 million, they get 250 million dollar deals in their mid 20's that would make them rich and help the team by being reasonable LT/aav. Yes risk all the way around but it could help keep the band together. NBA deals max out at 5 years. I guess that makes my thought moot. It could have been a good strategy if it was even allowed. lol |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 23, 2018 20:14:13 GMT -5
The Celtics are finalizing trade to send Abdel Nader to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Rodney Purvis, league sources tell Yahoo. Boston decided to part ways with Nader over weekend, worked trade to OKC
So much for the open spot... looks like they really want to make Bird play on another 2 way contract.
Edit: never mind - sneaky great move for Danny. purvis is fully non-guaranteed so they will waive him and save 450k that was guaranteed to Nader.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 25, 2018 8:12:36 GMT -5
ESPN power rankings has Boston #2, Phil #4 and Toronto #5. That is 3 of the top 5 teams from the East, interesting. Not sure I agree, with the amount of talent in the West it seems they are giving the East too much credit.
They also have Sac. #29, 2nd to last.
Yeah I know it can all be taken with a grain of salt but hopefully they have the Kings forecast right.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2018 10:47:50 GMT -5
ESPN power rankings has Boston #2, Phil #4 and Toronto #5. That is 3 of the top 5 teams from the East, interesting. Not sure I agree, with the amount of talent in the West it seems they are giving the East too much credit. They also have Sac. #29, 2nd to last. Yeah I know it can all be taken with a grain of salt but hopefully they have the Kings forecast right. Idk, that seems about right. The West is most certainly stronger and deeper, but the top of the East is very very good. The 3 teams you mentioned are really good with the potential to be great. Then there are 3 more solid teams who would struggle to make the playoffs in the West but would be in the mix. Milwaukee has one of the best players in the game, plus Middleton and Bledsoe. By the way, Middleton is a very underrated player. If Washington is healthy, they replaced Gortat with Howard and their weak bench now has Green, Rivers and the rookie Troy Brown to go with Oubre. The weakness of the East is it’s pretty lousy after the top 6 (the Pacers being the 6th team). The West on the other hand is waaay deeper. Pretty much everyone but Sacramento can make a case to be a playoff team this year. Phoenix has a ton of young talent with one proven go to scorer already. Memphis, has Connelly and Gasol who if healthy can lead a playoff run. Dallas, has a lot of young talent, plus guys like Barnes and Jordan. Smith and Doncic could be a great back court starting next year. The Clippers, I don’t think will be all that good but some people think they’ll make a playoff run. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 25, 2018 12:27:08 GMT -5
IDK the Celts dispatched the Sixers without their 2 best players. It might have been close but still, no GH or Kyrie. Would the Celts beat all the West teams other than GS without those 2? I don't think they would.
The Sixers are very good but Simmons can't shoot, if he could and Fultz becomes a player maybe they are top 4 but that is a lot of ifs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2018 13:35:44 GMT -5
IDK the Celts dispatched the Sixers without their 2 best players. It might have been close but still, no GH or Kyrie. Would the Celts beat all the West teams other than GS without those 2? I don't think they would. The Sixers are very good but Simmons can't shoot, if he could and Fultz becomes a player maybe they are top 4 but that is a lot of ifs. Embiid and Simmons are only going to get better. Also, Fultz was a non factor last year. If his shot is fixed and Simmons can now shoot they are a different team. Also, the Celtics probably best every team in the West last year except for Houston and Golden State. Who else was going to beat them? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2018 22:49:11 GMT -5
Fultz being good would be awesome, he was such a great prospect to watch. I feel like we might have dodged a bullet there and that trade has the potential to be a Danny masterpiece for the ages, but Fultz not even being role player material would be kind of depressing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 26, 2018 7:46:53 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you subscribe to the Athletic but it’s got great stuff. Jay King is the best writer on the Celtics beat in my opinion. Here’s his latest on Kyrie: theathletic.com/445803/2018/07/26/taking-stock-of-kyrie-irvings-first-season-in-boston-did-he-answer-the-questions-surrounding-him/“Head coach Brad Stevens tends to lean toward more skilled lineups late in games, and, as a result, the Celtics offense transformed from a kitten to a jaguar once the fourth quarter hit. The team climbed to fourth in offensive efficiency during fourth quarters; in 375 minutes with Irving on the court in those situations, Boston scored an astronomical 118.6 points per 100 possessions. For reference, that’s in the same vicinity as the mark Golden State posted with Stephen Curry (119.9) and well beyond the number Houston posted with Harden (112.6). The Celtics went a strong 21-13 with Irving during games that involved “clutch” minutes; among all players with 75 of those minutes played, Uncle Drew finished second behind only LeBron James with 42.6 points per 36 minutes.” And “Can Boston’s defense collect stops with Irving on the court? Yes. Last year proved it. During his minutes, the team defended at almost the same rate as the Rockets’ sixth-ranked unit; Irving wasn’t the best defensive guard on the Celtics, but he wasn’t underwhelming enough to tear apart the team’s identity. The starting lineup with Irving in it gave up 98.3 points per 100 possessions while emerging as one of the league’s best defensive units. Even three-guard lineups with Irving held up; the Irving-Rozier-Smart duo surrendered just 96.9 points per 100 possessions over 176 minutes, one year after tiny lineups with Isaiah Thomas were regularly shredded.” |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 26, 2018 12:38:58 GMT -5
Celtics signing Bird to a contract for 2 years 3m. Happy for him. Not happy for the luxury tax, but no way this guy should be on a 2 year contract again. He’s an NBA player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 4:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 27, 2018 7:35:12 GMT -5
IDK the Celts dispatched the Sixers without their 2 best players. It might have been close but still, no GH or Kyrie. Would the Celts beat all the West teams other than GS without those 2? I don't think they would. The Sixers are very good but Simmons can't shoot, if he could and Fultz becomes a player maybe they are top 4 but that is a lot of ifs. Embiid and Simmons are only going to get better. Also, Fultz was a non factor last year. If his shot is fixed and Simmons can now shoot they are a different team. Also, the Celtics probably best every team in the West last year except for Houston and Golden State. Who else was going to beat them? So the C's without their 2 best players were the 4th best team in the NBA last year? Maybe, maybe not but that is pretty exciting for this year with those guys back. I think they will give GS all they can handle this year and it could come down to which team is healthy, |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2018 9:28:08 GMT -5
Embiid and Simmons are only going to get better. Also, Fultz was a non factor last year. If his shot is fixed and Simmons can now shoot they are a different team. Also, the Celtics probably best every team in the West last year except for Houston and Golden State. Who else was going to beat them? So the C's without their 2 best players were the 4th best team in the NBA last year? Maybe, maybe not but that is pretty exciting for this year with those guys back. I think they will give GS all they can handle this year and it could come down to which team is healthy, I don’t know but in a playoff series with home court they probably would have beaten any of those teams. But without home court they would have lost to them all, even the Bucks. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 27, 2018 11:59:58 GMT -5
True but beating the Bucks with Smart missing the majority of the series was impressive. Many of us were surprised they could win without 3 of their top 6 players.
I get excited about next year thinking about how the 2 young guys stepped up, how much better will they be this year is fun to think about.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 29, 2018 17:45:54 GMT -5
I’m so obsessed with this team and the season hasn’t even started. I’m so looking forward to this team and group play and grow together than I’m already irrationally nervous about injuries and Kyrie maybe leaving that it bums me out.
The more I think about rotations, the more I feel like Tatum should be the sixth man. Having him be the featured scorer against other teams second units would ensure he gets a lot of scoring opportunities. It also
Leaves more early for Kyrie and Hayward. Then they finish with their death lineup.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 29, 2018 22:11:36 GMT -5
I like the idea of Tatum being given a lead role with the second unit while also playing with the starters. He needs to keep developing as a go to scorer and take his shots. This team could be devastatingly good if they are running on all cylinders both offensively and defensively and I trust the coach is going to make them all collectively better.
Yeah obsessed with the possibilities of how good they will be.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 30, 2018 15:58:11 GMT -5
I’m so obsessed with this team and the season hasn’t even started. I’m so looking forward to this team and group play and grow together than I’m already irrationally nervous about injuries and Kyrie maybe leaving that it bums me out. The more I think about rotations, the more I feel like Tatum should be the sixth man. Having him be the featured scorer against other teams second units would ensure he gets a lot of scoring opportunities. It also Leaves more early for Kyrie and Hayward. Then they finish with their death lineup. This is one of those fun offseason debates that doesn’t have even a fraction of a chance of happening. The Celtics’ starting lineup to begin last year was Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. The starting lineup to begin this year will be Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. This isn’t rocket science. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 18:14:38 GMT -5
I’m so obsessed with this team and the season hasn’t even started. I’m so looking forward to this team and group play and grow together than I’m already irrationally nervous about injuries and Kyrie maybe leaving that it bums me out. The more I think about rotations, the more I feel like Tatum should be the sixth man. Having him be the featured scorer against other teams second units would ensure he gets a lot of scoring opportunities. It also Leaves more early for Kyrie and Hayward. Then they finish with their death lineup. This is one of those fun offseason debates that doesn’t have even a fraction of a chance of happening. The Celtics’ starting lineup to begin last year was Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. The starting lineup to begin this year will be Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. This isn’t rocket science. I can see Baynes starting against bigger Centers like Carl Anthony Towns. It's not totally inconceivable to see someone from this lineup coming off the bench at times. I think the main thing is that this lineup will be the lineup that *finishes* games, not start them. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 31, 2018 6:17:15 GMT -5
Smart will be on the floor to end games also. I trust the coach to put some great rotations out there, he has proven to be pretty good at his use of players. Back to back eastern conference finals with 2 different teams and a lot of injuries, not bad.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 31, 2018 6:50:56 GMT -5
This is one of those fun offseason debates that doesn’t have even a fraction of a chance of happening. The Celtics’ starting lineup to begin last year was Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. The starting lineup to begin this year will be Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Hayward, and Horford. This isn’t rocket science. I can see Baynes starting against bigger Centers like Carl Anthony Towns. It's not totally inconceivable to see someone from this lineup coming off the bench at times. I think the main thing is that this lineup will be the lineup that *finishes* games, not start them. Nah, it will also be the lineup that starts games. It will likely be the lineup that finishes games too, although that may vary depending on matchups and who’s on that night (Smart, a center, etc.). It’s a nice problem to have. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2018 9:22:57 GMT -5
It will be crazy interesting to watch who finishes games, could really care less who starts them. You have Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Horford, likely your five best players. Thing is that doesn't include Smart, Rozier, or Baynes. If you play Smart who are you taking out?
Stevens has the best problem in the league, but it does seem like a problem. Too many good players and not enough minutes.
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