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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 0:09:57 GMT -5
Pomeranz isn't coming up until he gets results per Cora. Cora is going to have a tough time playing Sandy Leon everyday comsidering he hates starting Swihart at the catching position. Then they would have to put Pomeranz back on the DL. He has no options. The Sox have 3 catchers at Pawtucket with major league experience. Dan Butler is a more than reasonable emergency catcher to have around and he knows most of the staff. They can keep Pomeranz down for 30 days on rehab I think, unless I'm wrong about that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 1:35:31 GMT -5
Pomeranz isn't coming up until he gets results per Cora. weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/boston-red-sox-notes-drew-pomeranz-probably-will-make-another-rehab-startJust in case I get called out for it. "While there is no official word as to the plans for Pomeranz, who gave up five runs over 2 2/3 innings in Pawtucket Monday night, Red Sox manager Alex Cora suggested that he would recommend some more time in Triple-A before making a commitment to bring the lefty back to the big league club. "Whatever the line says, he says he feels OK. I actually talked to Walk (Pawtucket pitching coach Kevin Walker) today about a few things. Personally, I feel he needs to go down there and show that he’s healthy and straighten up his mechanics," Cora said. "That’s very important. We’ll talk about it. From my end, and I’m not the GM or president of baseball operations, it would be good to have another one. "(Pomeranz) feels great. He feels good. Obviously a lot of off time in between starts. You guys know it’s a grind for him to repeat his delivery. Hopefully, in the next one, he clears that up, he finds his release point and it will be a better one."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2018 16:23:19 GMT -5
You're correct they can keep Pomeranz on a rehab assignment for 30 days.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2018 18:06:39 GMT -5
Sounds like Pomeranz is getting at least 2 more rehab starts before he's back with the big league club.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 11, 2018 10:02:00 GMT -5
Hmmm............A pitching coach with the nickname WALK?!?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 11, 2018 10:40:33 GMT -5
Hmmm............A pitching coach with the nickname WALK?!? Why not? Bob Walk had a nice career with Philly and Pittsburgh in the 80s and early 90s as a good pitcher.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 11, 2018 22:51:45 GMT -5
Hmmm............A pitching coach with the nickname WALK?!? Why not? Bob Walk had a nice career with Philly and Pittsburgh in the 80s and early 90s as a good pitcher. We have Trey Ball which is one ball better than Walk.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 11, 2018 22:55:47 GMT -5
Sounds like Pomeranz is getting at least 2 more rehab starts before he's back with the big league club. If. They can't hold him down until roster expansion and can't afford to carry a batting practice pitcher in a tight pennant race. I'm guessing he either figures it out or will be DFAed but he's a total mess right now. It would be different if this wasn't his walk year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 11, 2018 23:19:20 GMT -5
Sounds like Pomeranz is getting at least 2 more rehab starts before he's back with the big league club. If. They can't hold him down until roster expansion and can't afford to carry a batting practice pitcher in a tight pennant race. I'm guessing he either figures it out or will be DFAed but he's a total mess right now. It would be different if this wasn't his walk year. I don't disagree with you. The interesting part is that he'll be DFA'd around the trade deadline and maybe the Sox can include his salary to go get someone better if they need to.
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Post by manfred on Jul 11, 2018 23:40:36 GMT -5
No way he is DFAd. Guy was maybe their best pitcher in the last 1/3 of last season, and he can at least be a lefty reliever for the late season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2018 0:10:13 GMT -5
I agree. Pomeranz isn't going anywhere this season. They're not DFAing him.
He'll come back toward the end of the month. Velazquez or even Workman might be the casualty as he gets optioned back to Pawtucket. (I assume Brasier goes to Pawtucket to make room for Johnson). They'll try Pomeranz out in a piggyback role or in long relief. Maybe he'll even get a some starts.
Then it will be soon be Sept 1st and they won't have a roster crunch anymore. They'll have plenty of depth at that point.
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Post by coachmac on Jul 12, 2018 6:32:35 GMT -5
I think Scott goes back to Pawtucket on Sunday.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2018 9:33:29 GMT -5
Pomeranz's rehab can go until the 31st. Why are we talking about DFA'ing him? That's silly. The upside so so much higher with him than with like half of the pitching staff, several of whom have options, they'd be nuts to do that.
Again, they are currently starting Hector Velazquez because they have three starting pitchers on the DL. They are not in a position to DFA guys who were worth 7.3 fWAR over the previous 3 seasons, even if that means kicking him into the bullpen.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2018 11:34:02 GMT -5
If. They can't hold him down until roster expansion and can't afford to carry a batting practice pitcher in a tight pennant race. I'm guessing he either figures it out or will be DFAed but he's a total mess right now. It would be different if this wasn't his walk year. I don't disagree with you. The interesting part is that he'll be DFA'd around the trade deadline and maybe the Sox can include his salary to go get someone better if they need to. Right now, he has nothing. That doesn't mean I don't think he was good in the past IF he still has nothing at the end of the month, I don't see the Sox carrying him for an entire month and I don't see why any team would want to pick up his salary either. He's either good enough to keep or bad enough to be untradeable. There isn't much in between here. Right now he is not a major league pitcher.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2018 11:43:39 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you. The interesting part is that he'll be DFA'd around the trade deadline and maybe the Sox can include his salary to go get someone better if they need to. Right now, he has nothing. That doesn't mean I don't think he was good in the past IF he still has nothing at the end of the month, I don't see the Sox carrying him for an entire month and I don't see why any team would want to pick up his salary either. He's either good enough to keep or bad enough to be untradeable. There isn't much in between here. Right now he is not a major league pitcher. Honest question because I know you actually do this - have you seen him pitch in his rehab starts? I'm just wondering what the declarative statement of " right now he is not a major league pitcher" is based on. I'd figure you're either basing it on a set of starts that was a month and a half ago or you're basing it on two rehab starts after he was down for a month, neither of which I think can be taken as particularly definitive in the sense that you seem to be interpreting them to be.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2018 17:20:43 GMT -5
I haven't seen his rehabs, only the stats. I did listen to Cora basically say he needs a lot of work and isn't going to be back until he gets it together (huge paraphrase) just a few days ago. (WEEI ? twitter link interview).
Reading between the lines on what he said and how he said it (MY INTERPRETATION), he was a bit out of his usual demeanor,it sounded like Pomeranz needs mechanical adjustments and isn't cooperating in making them. I DON"T WANT TO BE A TALKING HEAD HERE AND PUT WORDS OR INTERPRETATIONS INTO CORA'S MOUTH, IT"S JUST HOW I TOOK WHAT HE SAID. He really did not seem happy with Pomeranz.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2018 18:22:22 GMT -5
Can't say I agree with that interpretation of what he's saying here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2018 18:44:45 GMT -5
Agree there. I hadn't seen that one. Maybe the one I heard (radio not video) was just posted after the second rehab but made after the first. He clearly mentioned mechanics issues.
I'll have to see it to believe it though and 88-91 still represents a step down, his curve was getting hammered before being sent down and the stat lines and game logs don't show any improvement.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2018 21:02:57 GMT -5
Another start, another bad outing for Pomeranz against AAA hitters.
Today's pitching line-
3 and 2/3 innings. 3 runs. 1 homerun. 4 hits. 1 walk. 3 strikeouts.
He just hasn't been good all year. I don't know why he should be given a spot until he actually proves he deserves a spot. So far, he hasn't.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 13, 2018 21:42:42 GMT -5
Another start, another bad outing for Pomeranz against AAA hitters. Today's pitching line- 3 and 2/3 innings. 3 runs. 1 homerun. 4 hits. 1 walk. 3 strikeouts. He just hasn't been good all year. I don't know why he should be given a spot until he actually proves he deserves a spot. So far, he hasn't. His Pawtucket body of work so far merits an Eck "yuck" for sure.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2018 21:47:58 GMT -5
I get that Pomeranz has a good history of being valuable in past years. If he's averaging 90 mph this year, then what's really his upside this season?
What it basically comes down to me is that he's not healthy. He hasn't proved that either.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 13, 2018 22:32:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately even if he doesn't figure things out in Pawtucket, the Sox are going to wind up calling Pomeranz up. They're not going to DFA him.
Cora is smart enough to know that you can't really start Pomeranz unless the intention was to have a bullpen game anyways.
I think if he comes up still pitching the way he is now, then he's nothing more than a piggyback starter or mopup man. I think Cora knows that he's not going to trick anybody with the way he's throwing.
They'll hold their breath (and somebody like Velazquez, Brasier, or Workman) might get unfairly sent to AAA when Pomeranz is activated.
You figure Scott will get sent down (mercifully) to make room for Johnson's return.
Wright probably won't be ready until Sept 1st or at least I'd be surprised if he were back sooner.
Eventually Pomeranz will be back and the Sox will get another reliever and unless there's an injury two of Velazquez, Brasier, and Workman could get sent down.
Then on Sept 1st Wright comes back and the Sox will bring back whichever relievers get sent down and they'll have plenty of bullpen depth, especially if Wright displaces Johnson to the pen.
But the bottom line is the Sox will hang onto everybody including Pomeranz no matter what.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2018 23:56:13 GMT -5
Another start, another bad outing for Pomeranz against AAA hitters. Today's pitching line- 3 and 2/3 innings. 3 runs. 1 homerun. 4 hits. 1 walk. 3 strikeouts. He just hasn't been good all year. I don't know why he should be given a spot until he actually proves he deserves a spot. So far, he hasn't. Not really true at all.
He had a 3 3 1 1 0 2 line through 3 innings, with one of the hits being cheap (and contributing to the run). GB% of 50%, too.
That was promising up to that point. He gave up BB, GO, HR, SO in the 4th. They obviously had a number of pitches they wanted to stretch him out to, and in that process it's not unusual if a guy tires before he gets to the goal.
I'm going to guess that the reports will be that he looked better. He has three more rehab starts before his time is up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 14, 2018 0:12:35 GMT -5
Another start, another bad outing for Pomeranz against AAA hitters. Today's pitching line- 3 and 2/3 innings. 3 runs. 1 homerun. 4 hits. 1 walk. 3 strikeouts. He just hasn't been good all year. I don't know why he should be given a spot until he actually proves he deserves a spot. So far, he hasn't. Not really true at all.
He had a 3 3 1 1 0 2 line through 3 innings, with one of the hits being cheap (and contributing to the run). GB% of 50%, too.
That was promising up to that point. He gave up BB, GO, HR, SO in the 4th. They obviously had a number of pitches they wanted to stretch him out to, and in that process it's not unusual if a guy tires before he gets to the goal.
I'm going to guess that the reports will be that he looked better. He has three more rehab starts before his time is up.
What you're talking about is a reliever at best. Hey maybe Pomeranz can pull off a 90 mph fastball in relief like Workman somehow does, but I was less encouraged by the line than you are.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 14, 2018 0:31:49 GMT -5
Sox bullpen arms- Kimbrel Kelly Barnes Hembree Workman Velazquez Thornburg Brashier
That's 8 arms already with a 3 man bench. Not to mention the fact that the Sox are hunting for a reliever come trade deadline because Kelly is too inconsistent.
-Brashier has done nothing to deserve a demotion. In fact, his stock just keeps rising imo. -Thornburg just struck out 2 batters in his best appearance since joining the Sox. -If I'm the Sox, I'm taking advantage of Workman's good early results and trading him at the trade deadline or I'm just trading Pomeranz as a salary dump for another future releiever that Dave Dombrowski is about to acquire. -It has to be Velazquez that gets sent down if the Sox call up Pomeranz, baring no injuries or trades from the current 25 man roster. -Thornburg and Brasier are battling out the last spot on the roster by the time Wright comes back baring no more injuries between now and September. My money is on Brasier. -Thank god Swihart's versatility gives the Sox the option of carrying a 3 man bench until September. -Vazquez won't be back until rosters expand in September due to a roster crunch.
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