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Post by Smittyw on Jul 26, 2018 14:10:33 GMT -5
I thought it was crazy a few winters ago when 12 year olds were breaking big trade news, but now senators are getting in on the action.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 26, 2018 14:12:05 GMT -5
Kind of off topic, but heard a report on Mutts's show from Bradford last night Mookie wants to go to FA when his contract is up.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 26, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
@jeffpassan Sources: The Washington Nationals have started discussions with teams to gauge interest if they decide to sell. Of particular interest are Kelvin Herrera, Shawn Kelley and Ryan Madson, three free-agent-to-be relievers. Nats are telling teams they’ll know by end of weekend.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2018 14:15:50 GMT -5
I thought it was crazy a few winters ago when 12 year olds were breaking big trade news, but now senators are getting in on the action. That was corrected to @feinstein
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 26, 2018 14:22:32 GMT -5
I thought it was crazy a few winters ago when 12 year olds were breaking big trade news, but now senators are getting in on the action. That was corrected to @feinstein I know. Just thought it was amusing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2018 14:34:37 GMT -5
That was corrected to @feinstein I know. Just thought it was amusing. It struck me as funny as well especially since it's Dianne Feinstein, even more so because essentially you appropriately put her behind a 12 year old. I assumed you knew since it was corrected immediately but wasn't sure if the readers here would know that.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2018 14:37:10 GMT -5
I thought it was crazy a few winters ago when 12 year olds were breaking big trade news, but now senators are getting in on the action. LOL, that has to be a mistake, right? nevermind
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2018 14:42:41 GMT -5
It's too bad the Sox couldn't come away with Britton or Soria.
If the Nats do decide to become sellers I'd love to see the Sox come away with Herrera. That would be ideal.
If SF became sellers Tony Watson would be a great get.
It's hard to imagine .500 teams giving up in the NL where teams are clumped so closely together.
I just hope the Sox don't go the route of giving up a lot of talent for controllable long-term relievers like Iglesias or Yates. I'd much rather see the Sox give up less for rentals, but the supply is starting to dry up. First Herrera, then Britton, then Soria and even Oh went.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jul 26, 2018 16:47:47 GMT -5
I wonder what guys like Zach Wheeler, Tanner Roark, or Michael Wacha are worth. Former top starters that are kinda fringy arms with 1.5 years of control. All of those guys woukd do well in a bullpen as well.
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Post by oilcan73 on Jul 26, 2018 17:12:27 GMT -5
I don't see this as an overpay by the Yankees. Drury has shown little this year and they have absolutely no need or place for him going forward and McKinney doesn't see to be much of a loss either. Happ is am upgrade at the 5 spot in their rotation and a guy who has been historically tough on the Sox. I think this is a good trade for them unfortunately. They get the starter they need and their farm system is still loaded.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 26, 2018 18:00:45 GMT -5
It's too bad the Sox couldn't come away with Britton or Soria. If the Nats do decide to become sellers I'd love to see the Sox come away with Herrera. That would be ideal. If SF became sellers Tony Watson would be a great get. It's hard to imagine .500 teams giving up in the NL where teams are clumped so closely together. I just hope the Sox don't go the route of giving up a lot of talent for controllable long-term relievers like Iglesias or Yates. I'd much rather see the Sox give up less for rentals, but the supply is starting to dry up. First Herrera, then Britton, then Soria and even Oh went. Seriously, what exactly did you plan to do with Soria?
Do you really want to stop giving Tyler Thornburg a chance to demonstrate that he's once again much better than Soria, like he was two years ago? I'm not giving Thornburg's innings to Soria now, after all the work Thornburg has done to get to the point where he's beginning to look like the nearly Kimbrel-level stud we traded Travis Shaw for.
You're not going to give him Matt Barnes' innings because Barnes is a bit better, and knows the catchers and the coaches.
You're not going to give him Heath Hembree's job of cleaning up 6th inning inherited runners, because that's completely alien to what Soria has done his whole career.
So ... he's a guy who can pitch the seventh on days when one of Kimbrel, Barnes,and Thornburg are unavailable.
Don't they have that guy already in Ryan Brasier, and don't you want to take a good look at him in case he can pitch the seventh for you for a bunch more cost-controlled years?
And then there's Joe Kelly, who was as good as Kimbrel for two months, which means the smart thing to do is to keep giving him chances in low leverage and see if he can regain the magic.
They've already had to send Workman down because they like Velazquez's ability to go multiple innings, so adding Soria means you either option Brasier or put Kelly on the shelf. All for a guy who actually slots in fifth on your depth chart (even if he's better than Hembree, because he can't do his job).
Oh, and on the tiny chance that Thornburg implodes in the next six days ... Sergio Romo and Craig Stammen are arguably better, and are still available as of now. And if that happened, you might want to go after a LHR anyway.
Oh, and Herrera has not been great for the Nationals. 62 WPA-, which is good, but he's been a heart attack, with a 130 xFIP-.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 26, 2018 19:04:49 GMT -5
@mikeberardino #Nationals special assistant Bob Schaefer also here tonight at Fenway as disappointing Nats try to decide whether to buy or sell.
Daniel Murphy could enter 2B mix as another pending FA, complicating Dozier trade efforts.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 26, 2018 19:33:18 GMT -5
Interesting that he would be at Fenway....could there could be any guys on the major league roster in the mix for a trade (Brian Johnson, Nunez, Swihart)?
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 26, 2018 19:46:10 GMT -5
Interesting that he would be at Fenway....could there could be any guys on the major league roster in the mix for a trade (Brian Johnson, Nunez, Swihart)? Swihart. They need a catcher. Problem is so do the Sox.
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Post by bosox on Jul 26, 2018 19:46:21 GMT -5
Interesting that he would be at Fenway....could there could be any guys on the major league roster in the mix for a trade (Brian Johnson, Nunez, Swihart)? If they are buyers, maybe they are interested in Gibson. Strasburg just landed on the DL.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2018 20:25:25 GMT -5
It's too bad the Sox couldn't come away with Britton or Soria. If the Nats do decide to become sellers I'd love to see the Sox come away with Herrera. That would be ideal. If SF became sellers Tony Watson would be a great get. It's hard to imagine .500 teams giving up in the NL where teams are clumped so closely together. I just hope the Sox don't go the route of giving up a lot of talent for controllable long-term relievers like Iglesias or Yates. I'd much rather see the Sox give up less for rentals, but the supply is starting to dry up. First Herrera, then Britton, then Soria and even Oh went. Seriously, what exactly did you plan to do with Soria? Do you really want to stop giving Tyler Thornburg a chance to demonstrate that he's once again much better than Soria, like he was two years ago? I'm not giving Thornburg's innings to Soria now, after all the work Thornburg has done to get to the point where he's beginning to look like the nearly Kimbrel-level stud we traded Travis Shaw for. You're not going to give him Matt Barnes' innings because Barnes is a bit better, and knows the catchers and the coaches. You're not going to give him Heath Hembree's job of cleaning up 6th inning inherited runners, because that's completely alien to what Soria has done his whole career. So ... he's a guy who can pitch the seventh on days when one of Kimbrel, Barnes,and Thornburg are unavailable.
Don't they have that guy already in Ryan Brasier, and don't you want to take a good look at him in case he can pitch the seventh for you for a bunch more cost-controlled years? And then there's Joe Kelly, who was as good as Kimbrel for two months, which means the smart thing to do is to keep giving him chances in low leverage and see if he can regain the magic.
They've already had to send Workman down because they like Velazquez's ability to go multiple innings, so adding Soria means you either option Brasier or put Kelly on the shelf. All for a guy who actually slots in fifth on your depth chart (even if he's better than Hembree, because he can't do his job). Oh, and on the tiny chance that Thornburg implodes in the next six days ... Sergio Romo and Craig Stammen are arguably better, and are still available as of now. And if that happened, you might want to go after a LHR anyway.
Oh, and Herrera has not been great for the Nationals. 62 WPA-, which is good, but he's been a heart attack, with a 130 xFIP-.
Eric, I know you don't think highly of Soria. I'm well aware of that. I think Soria (and for that matter Herrera) is better than everybody in the Sox pen with the exception of Kimbrel and Barnes. You seem to want to experiment with a bunch of these guys. The time to do that is earlier in the season. Come 7/31 I prefer more certainty because if these guys aren't as good you don't get another chance to improve. I would have preferred to audition Brasier and Thornburg in May and June but that really wasn't an option. Hembree had a hot month. His track record tells me he's going to have his issues. As I write this, he blew Brian Johnson's lead. They can do better than Hembree. And I really don't want to hear about Joe Kelly. Kelly is unreliable. The guy's control is spotty at best, so DLing him would bother me quite frankly. You can tell me you prefer Stammen or Romo over Herrera or Soria and that's fine. I've always liked Stammen and Romo has had his moments. I prefer Soria or Herrera. You like to use your tiny sample sizes and draw your conclusions and that's fine, but I'd prefer Herrera's track record (and Soria's for that matter, too). If Watson is an option I'd be cool with him, too. I'm not overly worried about adding a high leverage reliever to the roster. I'm cool with DLing Kelly. And as it usually turns out somebody usually gets injured anyways. I'm sure they can figure it out for one month. Come September it's not an issue.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 26, 2018 21:21:51 GMT -5
After tonight, DD is looking down 2 paths tonight. Path #1, the Twins path. You get Brian Dozier and Fernando Rodney for a few cheap prospects. Pro is Dozier would do great at Fenway. Con is Rodney might not be as good as what you have already. Path #2 is the Nationals path. One of the Nats good RP and Murphy. Pro is you get that bridge with your RP. Cons are you have to give up a decent prospect and your betting on Murphy staying healthy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2018 21:36:24 GMT -5
After tonight, DD is looking down 2 paths tonight. Path #1, the Twins path. You get Brian Dozier and Fernando Rodney for a few cheap prospects. Pro is Dozier would do great at Fenway. Con is Rodney might not be as good as what you have already. Path #2 is the Nationals path. One of the Nats good RP and Murphy. Pro is you get that bridge with your RP. Cons are you have to give up a decent prospect and your betting on Murphy staying healthy. You can get Dozier without getting Rodney. Who the heck wants Rodney after what everyone just seen? What you saw tonight is what you see mostly every night from Rodney. You can also get a reliever other than Rodney if you get Dozier.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 26, 2018 22:22:46 GMT -5
After tonight, DD is looking down 2 paths tonight. Path #1, the Twins path. You get Brian Dozier and Fernando Rodney for a few cheap prospects. Pro is Dozier would do great at Fenway. Con is Rodney might not be as good as what you have already. Path #2 is the Nationals path. One of the Nats good RP and Murphy. Pro is you get that bridge with your RP. Cons are you have to give up a decent prospect and your betting on Murphy staying healthy. You can get Dozier without getting Rodney. Who the heck wants Rodney after what everyone just seen? What you saw tonight is what you see mostly every night from Rodney. You can also get a reliever other than Rodney if you get Dozier. Absotively. Though Herrera/Murphy would be an interesting package.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2018 22:29:06 GMT -5
You can get Dozier without getting Rodney. Who the heck wants Rodney after what everyone just seen? What you saw tonight is what you see mostly every night from Rodney. You can also get a reliever other than Rodney if you get Dozier. Absotively. Though Herrera/Murphy would be an interesting package. I do not want Murphy. He isn't much of a second baseman anymore and now he has major durability concerns. He also is a base clogger and can't run well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2018 22:29:21 GMT -5
You can get Dozier without getting Rodney. Who the heck wants Rodney after what everyone just seen? What you saw tonight is what you see mostly every night from Rodney. You can also get a reliever other than Rodney if you get Dozier. Absotively. Though Herrera/Murphy would be an interesting package. That's probably an expensive package that costs one of the Sox top prospects, and if you're trying to stay away from that, you're better off going after Dozier separately and perhaps Herrera, who you might get without having to surrender a package greater than one of Buttrey/Lakins, perhaps Ockimey, and an A ball pitcher perhaps like Crawford or Reyes or even lesser. Or there are other relief options. Herrera might be an option, as might Madson. Maybe Hughes from Cincinnati might be a reasonable cost or Stammen from San Diego. Maybe even Watson becomes available. The Sox, I think, should be able to get a useful high leverage reliever and a 2b without giving up too much. I don't think Mata, Houck, or Chavis or Groome or even Dalbec need to be dealt.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 26, 2018 22:55:10 GMT -5
Absotively. Though Herrera/Murphy would be an interesting package. That's probably an expensive package that costs one of the Sox top prospects, and if you're trying to stay away from that, you're better off going after Dozier separately and perhaps Herrera, who you might get without having to surrender a package greater than one of Buttrey/Lakins, perhaps Ockimey, and an A ball pitcher perhaps like Crawford or Reyes or even lesser. Or there are other relief options. Herrera might be an option, as might Madson. Maybe Hughes from Cincinnati might be a reasonable cost or Stammen from San Diego. Maybe even Watson becomes available. The Sox, I think, should be able to get a useful high leverage reliever and a 2b without giving up too much. I don't think Mata, Houck, or Chavis or Groome or even Dalbec need to be dealt. First off, I said it would be interesting, I didn't endorse going after them no matter the cost. Secondly, if the difference between getting Dozier and getting Murphy is Chavis or the like, then I obviously wouldn't want any pert of it. But that seems highly unlikely.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 27, 2018 4:24:01 GMT -5
Interesting that he would be at Fenway....could there could be any guys on the major league roster in the mix for a trade (Brian Johnson, Nunez, Swihart)? JBJ
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 5:29:51 GMT -5
It's too bad the Sox couldn't come away with Britton or Soria. If the Nats do decide to become sellers I'd love to see the Sox come away with Herrera. That would be ideal. If SF became sellers Tony Watson would be a great get. It's hard to imagine .500 teams giving up in the NL where teams are clumped so closely together. I just hope the Sox don't go the route of giving up a lot of talent for controllable long-term relievers like Iglesias or Yates. I'd much rather see the Sox give up less for rentals, but the supply is starting to dry up. First Herrera, then Britton, then Soria and even Oh went. Seriously, what exactly did you plan to do with Soria?
Do you really want to stop giving Tyler Thornburg a chance to demonstrate that he's once again much better than Soria, like he was two years ago? I'm not giving Thornburg's innings to Soria now, after all the work Thornburg has done to get to the point where he's beginning to look like the nearly Kimbrel-level stud we traded Travis Shaw for.
You're not going to give him Matt Barnes' innings because Barnes is a bit better, and knows the catchers and the coaches.
You're not going to give him Heath Hembree's job of cleaning up 6th inning inherited runners, because that's completely alien to what Soria has done his whole career.
So ... he's a guy who can pitch the seventh on days when one of Kimbrel, Barnes,and Thornburg are unavailable.
Don't they have that guy already in Ryan Brasier, and don't you want to take a good look at him in case he can pitch the seventh for you for a bunch more cost-controlled years?
And then there's Joe Kelly, who was as good as Kimbrel for two months, which means the smart thing to do is to keep giving him chances in low leverage and see if he can regain the magic.
They've already had to send Workman down because they like Velazquez's ability to go multiple innings, so adding Soria means you either option Brasier or put Kelly on the shelf. All for a guy who actually slots in fifth on your depth chart (even if he's better than Hembree, because he can't do his job).
Oh, and on the tiny chance that Thornburg implodes in the next six days ... Sergio Romo and Craig Stammen are arguably better, and are still available as of now. And if that happened, you might want to go after a LHR anyway.
Oh, and Herrera has not been great for the Nationals. 62 WPA-, which is good, but he's been a heart attack, with a 130 xFIP-.
OMG how could we use Soria when since may 21st he has a .74 ERA and 32 strikeouts in 23 games. If we only could find a place for him. He's a known commodity that has pitched very well for years and years. If you really think Hembree is better all the power to you, but there is zero proof of that, which is telling. I don't know how you can keep defending Hembree given his monthly splits. He's getting lit up in July and most of his success was from June. How do you explain that? For me it sure looks like one great month is scewing his numbers to make them look better than they are. We need a more proven guy for insurance. Mainly because our whole bullpen outside of Kimbrel is unproven. Thornburg, Braiser, Kelly, and Hembree are just as likely to implode or as they are pitch very well. What are you going to do in September is those guys suck? Get injured? You make a move to hedge your bets, its that simple. It's like you never heard of the saying you can never have enough pitching. You seem to be arguing that logic everyday and it makes zero sense. I could get your argument if it was don't spend a ton on another bullpen arm, but that's not your take. It's we don't need one, which is crazy. Look at the Yankees bullpen and they just added too it. You can never have enough pitching. You can never have enough pitching!
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 27, 2018 16:57:48 GMT -5
With Escobar traded away from Minnesota, and Asdrubal Cabrera getting traded to the Phillies, if we want to upgrade 2B and get Nunez off the roster, the time to get Dozier is now.
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