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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2018 12:41:07 GMT -5
Amfox isn't around to start the discussion, but we'll get rosters soon.
My guesses:
Chavis Chatham Dalbec Lakins Gorst Weems Shawaryn
I could also see them sending Rei or Nunez if they're sending a catcher this year.
I nearly put Ockimey instead of Dalbec and could see that. Dalbec/Chavis might be tough but I think they might move Chavis around enough that it would work - guys there don't play every day anyway.
Either way, one of the most prospect-heavy lists in a while. Could also see Feltman, but I'm not sure they'd send a first-year guy. He's used to his season ending in June - pitching him into September is enough of an adjustment, potentially.
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Post by mckeonam on Jul 29, 2018 12:49:09 GMT -5
Isn't Weems a free agent at the end of year? Would they be able to name him to the team without re-signing him?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 29, 2018 13:13:10 GMT -5
I never see am fox anymore
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Post by telson13 on Jul 29, 2018 15:35:54 GMT -5
Amfox isn't around to start the discussion, but we'll get rosters soon. My guesses: Chavis Chatham Dalbec Lakins Gorst Weems Shawaryn I could also see them sending Rei or Nunez if they're sending a catcher this year. I nearly put Ockimey instead of Dalbec and could see that. Dalbec/Chavis might be tough but I think they might move Chavis around enough that it would work - guys there don't play every day anyway. Either way, one of the most prospect-heavy lists in a while. Could also see Feltman, but I'm not sure they'd send a first-year guy. He's used to his season ending in June - pitching him into September is enough of an adjustment, potentially. Gorst seems like kind of their historically typical AFL guy. I’m not sold at all on him, but he’s been pretty incredible this year results-wise. They always have seemed inclined to send a bunch of fringy guys who might have a small role in a year or two. I’d like to see Feltman but I agree re: his workload. Outside shot if they’re looking at it as a short-stint limited exposure “finishing school” type experience, and have designs on promoting him really aggressively next year. Otherwise, I think your list is dead-on. Chavis and Chatham need ABs. Dalbec is a guy they’re probably trying to figure out if he’s a “guy.” Weems has the conversion history but seems like he might be a legit reclamation. Lakins is the prototype “RP on the verge”...Gorst with stuff. Maybe Rei goes over Shawaryn? Shawaryn will have a lot of innings and is a pretty defined commodity at this point. I could see them sending Rei on hopes that he might be a viable backup sooner rather than later. I’m actually encouraged by his performance this year. He’s been slow to develop and probably never does more than serve as a backup, but that has value. Def right though, chance to be a lot more legit-prospect laden than usual.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2018 20:52:18 GMT -5
Isn't Weems a free agent at the end of year? Would they be able to name him to the team without re-signing him? Great point. Probably presumes he re-signs, then.
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Post by pd on Jul 30, 2018 8:06:20 GMT -5
Feltman will be busy pitching high leverage innings in the WS.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2018 10:43:59 GMT -5
With Darwinzon Hernandez going on the DL with a non-arm injury, I could see him ending up getting a spot here. I'd bet they'll want him somehwere in the 120-130 innings range, which he'll probably be short of if he misses more than a start or two.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 10, 2018 23:11:42 GMT -5
With Darwinzon Hernandez going on the DL with a non-arm injury, I could see him ending up getting a spot here. I'd bet they'll want him somehwere in the 120-130 innings range, which he'll probably be short of if he misses more than a start or two. You could easily make a case for both him and Mata. They’re both legit prospects on the cusp of AA and could both use a few extra reps after injury.
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Post by alnipper on Aug 11, 2018 10:17:26 GMT -5
With Darwinzon Hernandez going on the DL with a non-arm injury, I could see him ending up getting a spot here. I'd bet they'll want him somehwere in the 120-130 innings range, which he'll probably be short of if he misses more than a start or two. You could easily make a case for both him and Mata. They’re both legit prospects on the cusp of AA and could both use a few extra reps after injury. I think it will depend on arm fatigue with both guys. Quiroz may be consider as well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2018 11:58:46 GMT -5
I can't imagine they'd send 19yo Mata to Arizona. His injury is a back thing, so rest might be the better option. He's already at the # of innings he threw last year, basically, so if he comes back soon, he should be ok innings-wise, and if he's not... he's 19 and still has time to build up. Don't forget he can just make up innings in Instructs too.
21yo, Rule 5 eligible Darwinzon is different. I could see them doing what they did with Beeks, sending him there to throw in relief "just to get some more innings" but perhaps also to see what it looks like out of the bullpen without causing a stir. Interesting thing to think about.
Either way, both of these guys could probably still go to Instructs. They'd be a bit advanced but if the point is reps, they could get that there and wouldn't be so far ahead of the others that it'd be pointless. Heck, Mata would still be younger than most of the guys there, and Darwinzon wouldn't be the oldest guy there either probably.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 30, 2018 13:16:22 GMT -5
Let me try this again. Red Sox sending:
- Darwinson Hernandez - Michael Chavis - Bobby Dalbec - Josh Ockimey - Esteban Quiroz (Pete Abe said he was going as a pitcher but I'm assuming that's a mistake) - Teddy Stankiewicz - Josh Taylor (LHP) - Mike Shawaryn
Speier notes that both Shawaryn and Darwinson will most likely work in relief and then go back to starting next year.
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Post by awall on Aug 30, 2018 13:38:51 GMT -5
Wonder why Chatham isn't going?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 30, 2018 14:25:12 GMT -5
Let me try this again. Red Sox sending: - Darwinson Hernandez - Michael Chavis - Bobby Dalbec - Josh Ockimey - Esteban Quiroz (Pete Abe said he was going as a pitcher but I'm assuming that's a mistake) - Teddy Stankiewicz - Josh Taylor (LHP) - Mike Shawaryn Speier notes that both Shawaryn and Darwinson will most likely work in relief and then go back to starting next year. Quiroz thing is indeed a mistake. Darwinzon and Shawaryn will work out of the bullpen for innings reasons (although that's a good excuse to get a look at both in that role).
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 30, 2018 14:26:27 GMT -5
Any opinions on Stank and Josh Taylor? Not two guys I would have guessed would go.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 30, 2018 14:42:10 GMT -5
Stank is going because they need to send a SP. If innings are an issue for Shawaryn and Darwinzon, they need to send someone. He's now been in Portland for 3 full seasons. It is what it is at this point.
Taylor is interesting - throws 96 and strikes guys out but can't keep guys off the bases, whether it's hits or walks.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 3, 2018 13:26:45 GMT -5
Red Sox competing with seven prospects for the Mesa Solar Sox.
Pitchers:
Josh Taylor Darwinzon Hernandez Teddy Stankowicz
Infielders:
Esteban Quiroz Josh Okimey Michael Chavis Bobby Dalbec
Season opens next Tuesday.
Interesting that Dalbec and Chavis, both 3B, sharing the position. Though I understand Chavis missed half a season and needs to catch up.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 10, 2018 9:23:39 GMT -5
From last night's Arizona Fall League opener:
Dalbec 0-2, 2 K, 2 BB Ockimey 1-3, 3 RBI, SF, 1 K
Taylor 1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K Hernandez 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K Shawaryn 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
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Post by jmei on Oct 10, 2018 10:49:02 GMT -5
This could be Hernandez’s coming out party. If he’s pumping gas with decent control in front of AFL scouts, he’ll rise up the national ranks quickly.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 10, 2018 11:43:42 GMT -5
Dalbec stays extremely on-brand.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 10, 2018 11:45:15 GMT -5
This could be Hernandez’s coming out party. If he’s pumping gas with decent control in front of AFL scouts, he’ll rise up the national ranks quickly. This could also route him on a fast(er) track as a reliever through AA/AAA next year. I'd personally be fine with that given that he needs to be added to the 40-man roster now.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 10, 2018 11:52:31 GMT -5
This could be Hernandez’s coming out party. If he’s pumping gas with decent control in front of AFL scouts, he’ll rise up the national ranks quickly. This could also route him on a fast(er) track as a reliever through AA/AAA next year. I'd personally be fine with that given that he needs to be added to the 40-man roster now. Yeah, I'd be ok with a little fast tracking in the bp, as long as he's still developed as a starter. If he can keep improving his command & control, he could be a great starter if he puts it all together. But in the 1-2 yrs, he might be needed more in the bullpen. It will be interesting to see what they do with him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 10, 2018 13:32:58 GMT -5
I still start him in the rotation in 2019, but if he's shoving and there's a need down the stretch next year, could see him coming up in a bullpen role. I wouldn't move him there otherwise until 2020.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 10, 2018 13:58:16 GMT -5
Darwinzon Hernandez is the kind of arm you dream on. Hopefully he keeps clicking with this run he's on. Maybe he found something from the second half on.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 11, 2018 1:27:03 GMT -5
Is there a point with Hernandez where, if he's ready to be called up and the Sox think he'd be an average, high variance starter or a high leverage reliever they'd make him a reliever based on team needs? For example if the rotation was solid but the bullpen was really struggling and needed an impact player. Or would they keep him at starter even though he'd be relatively less effective for the position, but at a more valuable position?
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Post by rivenp on Oct 11, 2018 3:55:45 GMT -5
Is there a point with Hernandez where, if he's ready to be called up and the Sox think he'd be an average, high variance starter or a high leverage reliever they'd make him a reliever based on team needs? For example if the rotation was solid but the bullpen was really struggling and needed an impact player. Or would they keep him at starter even though he'd be relatively less effective for the position, but at a more valuable position? of course they would put him in the pen...you can always convert a guy back to starting the following year (see david price and chris sale...who actually relieved for two years before converting).
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