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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 1, 2018 13:07:26 GMT -5
Sonny Gray and the Yankees are getting pounded by the O's.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 1, 2018 13:43:12 GMT -5
Sonny Gray and the Yankees are getting pounded by the O's. Delayed now, 7-1 O's. If this gets called, I'll be pissed. That could be a 1 game swing on Oriole vs. Sox/Yanks due to rainouts prior to the 5th inning. Sox up 5-0, game called. Yanks down 7-1 game called?
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Post by radiohix on Aug 1, 2018 13:58:18 GMT -5
Now the Sox have to split the series with NY or else NY will be back breathing down their necks. Good takes my man but why this inferiority complex when it comes to the MFY? Why splitting with these bums is considered a success? Let's sweep them!
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Post by marrcus on Aug 1, 2018 14:45:28 GMT -5
RS are in a post AS game/trade-deadline funk. Most of the news has been negative, seems like a bunch of nagging injs (Mitch, Devers). Until they pull out of it, I'm cool with a split.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 1, 2018 14:50:30 GMT -5
Sonny Gray and the Yankees are getting pounded by the O's. Delayed now, 7-1 O's. If this gets called, I'll be pissed. That could be a 1 game swing on Oriole vs. Sox/Yanks due to rainouts prior to the 5th inning. Sox up 5-0, game called. Yanks down 7-1 game called? Nevermind. Game resumed. Still 7-1 O's in the 6th.
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 1, 2018 15:45:53 GMT -5
RS are in a post AS game/trade-deadline funk. Most of the news has been negative, seems like a bunch of nagging injs (Mitch, Devers). Until they pull out of it, I'm cool with a split. The Sox are 7-4 since the break and the only reason they're not 8-4 since the break is the weather in Baltimore during the finale... Yankees are about to fall to 6-5 since the break and 5.5 back. We'll see what happens, but a split is a huge win for the Red Sox and losing 3-of-4, while undesirable, wouldn't be the end of the world for the Sox. It might be for the NYY... If anyone comes into this series NEEDING anything, it's the Yankees...
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Post by radiohix on Aug 1, 2018 15:55:18 GMT -5
RS are in a post AS game/trade-deadline funk. Most of the news has been negative, seems like a bunch of nagging injs (Mitch, Devers). Until they pull out of it, I'm cool with a split. After the ASB, the bums in way more funk than us
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2018 16:26:21 GMT -5
Now the Sox have to split the series with NY or else NY will be back breathing down their necks. Good takes my man but why this inferiority complex when it comes to the MFY? Why splitting with these bums is considered a success? Let's sweep them! What is wrong with being ok with a split when your team is 5 up on it opponent and a split does your opponent no good? Do you think that just because I say rah-rah Let's sweep them the Sox are automatically going to sweep the Yankees? You can call it an inferiority complex if you like, but since I've been a fan - my sample size is in its 39th season, my Red Sox have a record of 3310-2832, which is .539 baseball which is damn good. Those MFYs in that same period have a record of 3456-2676 which is .564. Which record is better? How about head-to-head? They're 280-305 against NY which is .479 baseball. It's not a landslide, but in my time the Yankees normally have been superior to the Red Sox. And the World Series deficit is 5-3, which I can certainly live with because it's a helluva lot better than that shutout stretch that preceded it. 1980 is arbitrary but it's my frame of reference. If I was born in say 1995 (or even 1985 with no memory of the 86 World Series) instead of 1972, I'd think the Sox and Yanks are virtual equals. And I'm also kind of a baseball historian (for all teams, not just the Sox although I know them the best) so I know that if I went back prior to 1980 the rivalry would be a ton more lopsided. So from where I sit looking at the teams in 2018, I see the teams pretty evenly matched although if I do an honest evaluation I'd say the Yankees bullpen is better, the Red Sox rotation is better (but don't underrate Sabathia and Tanaka who compare to Price and Porcello). I'd say the Sox' defense is better. I'd say the Yankees lineup (once Sanchez and Judge return) is deeper than the Sox lineup, but the Sox offense has the edge because JDM and Betts have been so otherworldly. Plus the Sox have better speed and can make better contact. They're not a 1 trick pony offense like NY who is extreme in that strength, but I find the Sox lineup more top heavy although that has been in better balance over the past 6 weeks or so. So from my experience, when you have two pretty evenly matched teams playing a 4 game series and your team has a 5 game lead and neither team is at full strength, a 4 game split is a good thing as it takes 4 more games of the season clock. If the Sox only come away with 1 or worse (who knows what Price will do on Sunday), the Yankees play the White Sox next and have a really weak schedule coming up so you'll see a neck and neck race. If the Sox take care of business and split, woo-hoo. And if they do better, then awesome.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 1, 2018 16:28:59 GMT -5
Delayed now, 7-1 O's. If this gets called, I'll be pissed. That could be a 1 game swing on Oriole vs. Sox/Yanks due to rainouts prior to the 5th inning. Sox up 5-0, game called. Yanks down 7-1 game called? Nevermind. Game resumed. Still 7-1 O's in the 6th. We’re going to kill the O’s when we play them unless Pomeranz is pitching then all bets are off.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2018 16:29:32 GMT -5
Good takes my man but why this inferiority complex when it comes to the MFY? Why splitting with these bums is considered a success? Let's sweep them! What is wrong with being ok with a split when your team is 5 up on it opponent and a split does your opponent no good? Do you think that just because I say rah-rah Let's sweep them the Sox are automatically going to sweep the Yankees? You can call it an inferiority complex if you like, but since I've been a fan - my sample size is in its 39th season, my Red Sox have a record of 3310-2832, which is .539 baseball which is damn good. Those MFYs in that same period have a record of 3456-2676 which is .564. Which record is better? How about head-to-head? They're 280-305 against NY which is .479 baseball. It's not a landslide, but in my time the Yankees normally have been superior to the Red Sox. And the World Series deficit is 5-3, which I can certainly live with because it's a helluva lot better than that shutout stretch that preceded it. 1980 is arbitrary but it's my frame of reference. If I was born in say 1995 (or even 1985 with no memory of the 86 World Series) instead of 1972, I'd think the Sox and Yanks are virtual equals. And I'm also kind of a baseball historian (for all teams, not just the Sox although I know them the best) so I know that if I went back prior to 1980 the rivalry would be a ton more lopsided. So from where I sit looking at the teams in 2018, I see the teams pretty evenly matched although if I do an honest evaluation I'd say the Yankees bullpen is better, the Red Sox rotation is better (but don't underrate Sabathia and Tanaka who compare to Price and Porcello). I'd say the Sox' defense is better. I'd say the Yankees lineup (once Sanchez and Judge return) is deeper than the Sox lineup, but the Sox offense has the edge because JDM and Betts have been so otherworldly. Plus the Sox have better speed and can make better contact. They're not a 1 trick pony offense like NY who is extreme in that strength, but I find the Sox lineup more top heavy although that has been in better balance over the past 6 weeks or so. So from my experience, when you have two pretty evenly matched teams playing a 4 game series and your team has a 5 game lead and neither team is at full strength, a 4 game split is a good thing as it takes 4 more games of the season clock. If the Sox only come away with 1 or worse (who knows what Price will do on Sunday), the Yankees play the White Sox next and have a really weak schedule coming up so you'll see a neck and neck race. If the Sox take care of business and split, woo-hoo. And if they do better, then awesome. I prefer to look at the Red Sox in terms of how they've done since John Henry bought the team. Before that, we suffered with some of the worst ownership in baseball. They were all cheap and continually made decisions only based on how to save a few dollars. The Yankees were the opposite for most of their history and it showed in results. John Henry bought the team and immediately offered Billy Beane the GM role with a blank check attached. Then he "settled" on Theo. He knew what was wrong with the Red Sox and has completely changed the culture. We are expected to be as good or better than the Yankees now. And we have been better than them for most of that time and have 3 WS rings to show for it. Now, they are equals. Except for this year when we're spending an extra $40 million (way more with taxes). The Yankees cannot just buy everything they want anymore because they finally have competition.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 1, 2018 16:30:09 GMT -5
That Baltimore win makes the Sox lives so much easier. As much grief we have given buck for playing the Red Sox as if it was game 7. This year them giving the Yankees fits kinda makes up for it
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 1, 2018 16:38:51 GMT -5
Nevermind. Game resumed. Still 7-1 O's in the 6th. We’re going to kill the O’s when we play them unless Pomeranz is pitching then all bets are off. I hope the team isn't thinking the way you are. That's a certain way to get one's posterior kicked.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 1, 2018 18:19:05 GMT -5
Nevermind. Game resumed. Still 7-1 O's in the 6th. We’re going to kill the O’s when we play them unless Pomeranz is pitching then all bets are off. We bitch and moan about Pomeranz, but Sonny Gray make him look like ... umm ... umm .. Drew Pomeranz from last year.
My over or under for Red Sox wins in the upcoming series is 2.5.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2018 18:50:36 GMT -5
We’re going to kill the O’s when we play them unless Pomeranz is pitching then all bets are off. We bitch and moan about Pomeranz, but Sonny Gray make him look like ... umm ... umm .. Drew Pomeranz from last year.
My over or under for Red Sox wins in the upcoming series is 2.5.
I don’t know why Sonny Gray being terrible makes someone feel different about Pomeranz. The Red Sox need to play the Yankees well this weekend more than anything else.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2018 19:35:21 GMT -5
We bitch and moan about Pomeranz, but Sonny Gray make him look like ... umm ... umm .. Drew Pomeranz from last year. My over or under for Red Sox wins in the upcoming series is 2.5.
I don’t know why Sonny Gray being terrible makes someone feel different about Pomeranz. The Red Sox need to play the Yankees well this weekend more than anything else. The Yankees need to play well a lot more than the Red Sox need to play well. Here's some motivation: Bryan Hoch Verified account @bryanhoch Brian Cashman on the Red Sox: "You wonder what their record would be if they weren’t playing us. Because when we go head to head, we do some damage against them and it doesn’t seem like anybody else is capable."
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2018 20:09:21 GMT -5
I don’t know why Sonny Gray being terrible makes someone feel different about Pomeranz. The Red Sox need to play the Yankees well this weekend more than anything else. The Yankees need to play well a lot more than the Red Sox need to play well. Here's some motivation: Bryan Hoch Verified account @bryanhoch Brian Cashman on the Red Sox: "You wonder what their record would be if they weren’t playing us. Because when we go head to head, we do some damage against them and it doesn’t seem like anybody else is capable." He’s right - they are 5-4 vs Sox and 4-1 in last. Other than the game we blew them out we have not played well against them the last 2 series. Just looking for us to play well against a top team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2018 20:36:51 GMT -5
The Yankees need to play well a lot more than the Red Sox need to play well. Here's some motivation: Bryan Hoch Verified account @bryanhoch Brian Cashman on the Red Sox: "You wonder what their record would be if they weren’t playing us. Because when we go head to head, we do some damage against them and it doesn’t seem like anybody else is capable." He’s right - they are 5-4 vs Sox and 4-1 in last. Other than the game we blew them out we have not played well against them the last 2 series. Just looking for us to play well against a top team. Half full half empty The Sox are 4-5 while playing 6 games in the toilet and 3 at Fenway. One of the Yankee wins was Price's Fortnight game. The Sox have outscored the Yankees 53-49 in head to head games. The Sox have a 7-3 home game advantage going forward. If the Sox win 3 of the next 4, the Yankmees will likely be closer to wild card elimination than to a division championship.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2018 20:39:20 GMT -5
He’s right - they are 5-4 vs Sox and 4-1 in last. Other than the game we blew them out we have not played well against them the last 2 series. Just looking for us to play well against a top team. Half full half empty The Sox are 4-5 while playing 6 games in the toilet and 3 at Fenway. One of the Yankee wins was Price's Fortnight game. The Sox have outscored the Yankees 53-49 in head to head games. The Sox have a 7-3 home game advantage going forward. If the Sox win 3 of the next 4, the Yankmees will likely be closer to wild card elimination than to a division championship. It’s just what it is. I’m just looking for them to play well is all. You don’t seem to think that matters. Agree to disagree
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2018 21:18:10 GMT -5
I think it matters, I just think it matters a lot more to the Yankees than it does to the Sox on a probability basis.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2018 22:29:17 GMT -5
I don’t know why Sonny Gray being terrible makes someone feel different about Pomeranz. The Red Sox need to play the Yankees well this weekend more than anything else. The Yankees need to play well a lot more than the Red Sox need to play well. Here's some motivation: Bryan Hoch Verified account @bryanhoch Brian Cashman on the Red Sox: "You wonder what their record would be if they weren’t playing us. Because when we go head to head, we do some damage against them and it doesn’t seem like anybody else is capable." If we hadn't played against the Yankees, our record would be 71-29. What do I win?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2018 22:35:47 GMT -5
Perhaps the real difference between the Yankees and Sox is that Sonny Gray has had more opportunities to sabotage the Yankees' season than Drew Pomeranz has for the Sox.
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Post by geostorm on Aug 1, 2018 22:46:00 GMT -5
Friend reached out, w/ offer for me to go on his other ticket, to the Sunday game, in the FW Webb Suite...had to decline, due to conflict with annual (extended) Family get together.
(love the Fam and all, but.. and I did try to figure a way to make everything fit...)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2018 23:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 2, 2018 0:59:30 GMT -5
Literally yesterday's news. Today they're saying they're expecting him to make the Saturday start, but aren't certain. They had Luis Cessa pitch just an inning in his start on Tuesday in case he needs to be called up take the start on 3 days rest.
Meanwhile, Sonny Gray's implosion today made them burn Lance Lynn (4.1 5 0 0 0 5) as an option. But Lynn may take Gray's rotation slot going forward. Gray has a 6.20 ERA in his last 7 starts, and it's not like he was good before that (4.89).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2018 1:52:15 GMT -5
NY Post doesn't sound overly optimistic. nypost.com/2018/08/01/why-yankees-are-a-risky-bet-in-key-road-series-vs-red-sox/If the Yankees can’t close ground this weekend by winning at least three out of four, they’ll need a lot of help from other Boston opponents.
Interesting that the Yankees need to have a big weekend on the road. That’s a category that has really separated these two teams.
No shame in 30-22. But it’s only fourth-best in the American League right now (behind Boston, Houston, and Oakland). You can see the Yankees would be five games back if all that mattered were road games. Both teams dominate at home. Boston has the best record in baseball because it dominates everywhere.
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