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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 8, 2018 20:21:27 GMT -5
If Johnson is able to go deep tonight, Im almost wondering if they should start Velazquez tomorrow and make it a bullpen day. That way they’d be able to move Porcello and Eovaldi back and they wouldn’t need another starter for Saturday. A AAA starter on saturday combined with a double header could be stressful on the pen. I would say that Johnson would have to go at least 7 for that to happen and Hembree and Brasier finish out the game. Brasier and Velasquez were the only relievers not to go yesterday and Hembree only threw 3 pitches. Nevermind. Bummer as we could've set ourselves up nicely to sweep the O's.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2018 20:21:29 GMT -5
Somebody should have been warming. Johnson was loosing it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 20:21:36 GMT -5
And now Kimbrel is probably going to have to close this game.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:00 GMT -5
I'd have taken Johnson out before that pitch to Grichuk. It's going to look like hindsight but in the previous at bat he threw 2 pitches that missed the strike zone horribly and then gave a single by throwing a fastball down the middle. Now Grichuk waits on the first pitch down the middle and hits a 3 run HR. That would have been a good time to put Hembree or Brasier in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:02 GMT -5
I knew keeping him in was a bad idea. I hate when keeping a guy in ruins a nice night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:22 GMT -5
And just like that....
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:23 GMT -5
I would say that Johnson would have to go at least 7 for that to happen and Hembree and Brasier finish out the game. Brasier and Velasquez were the only relievers not to go yesterday and Hembree only threw 3 pitches. Teams rarely change pitching plans the day before a game. I agree, I was just being polite.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:25 GMT -5
I have to wonder if Johnson is stretched out enough to be throwing 100+ pitches.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 8, 2018 20:22:26 GMT -5
Somebody should have been warming. Johnson was loosing it. Too bad Alex Cora was reading this thread..
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Post by atzar on Aug 8, 2018 20:23:31 GMT -5
Got greedy, trying to steal the extra inning with BJ. Still, I get the reasoning, given that we just spent our entire bullpen last night.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 8, 2018 20:23:52 GMT -5
I couldn’t post it before it happened, but Johnson never should’ve faced Grichuk there. That was on Cora.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 8, 2018 20:23:57 GMT -5
I know that it all went the shape of the pear towards the end but I'm still pleased with that Johnson start. Unfortunately it won't look good statistically but there was a lot to like.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 20:25:01 GMT -5
I have to wonder if Johnson is stretched out enough to be throwing 100+ pitches. He reached over 100 pitches in his last start versus the Yankees.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:25:13 GMT -5
Still went 7 innings. A nice start, but tough finish. He pitched better than his final line will suggest.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 8, 2018 20:25:14 GMT -5
Throwback game. This is how Sox managers handled the staff 1950-1990.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2018 20:26:07 GMT -5
Teams rarely change pitching plans the day before a game. I agree, I was just being polite. Game thread, politeness is a violation.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 8, 2018 20:28:29 GMT -5
I have to wonder if Johnson is stretched out enough to be throwing 100+ pitches. He reached over 100 pitches in his last start versus the Yankees. I know. But should anyone expect him to be effective at that point? He should have a very short leash after he gets over 80.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 8, 2018 20:29:50 GMT -5
Still went 7 innings. A nice start, but tough finish. He pitched better than his final line will suggest. Even though this start will raise his ERA as a starter this year pretty significantly, Johnson has performed much better in a starting role than as a reliever. I think his stuff is much better suited for starting, he doesn’t have the dominant stuff that you think of these days with guys coming out of the pen.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2018 20:30:36 GMT -5
I couldn’t post it before it happened, but Johnson never should’ve faced Grichuk there. That was on Cora. Nobody was warming. Hembree just got up when Grichuk got up to bat.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 8, 2018 20:31:32 GMT -5
Johnson makes me want the Red Sox go to a 6 man rotation to get guys some more rest once ERod and Wright get back. It's a great idea. The problem is that once Kinsler comes back, you need to go to a 4-man bench, and combined with a 6-man rotation, that leaves you with a 6-man bullpen. Velazquez gets optioned and you don't really have long man in the pen (Kimbrel, Barnes, Thornburg, Brasier, Hembree, Kelly. Presumably Pomeranz is on the DL with a Hellenic hangnail.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:32:25 GMT -5
Johnson's ERA up to 4. I hope that isn't the line between him and Pomeranz staying in the rotation. Even with Johnson's high ERA over the past 2 starts, he was great the 2 months before that, and I'd take 2 months over 2 games anytime. Also, keeping him in for Grichik was a rare Cora mistake to keep him in. I would still prefer Johnson to Pom right now but since Pom has more experience and Johnson is now at 4, I worry they may fall into the trap of a 3.92 ERA looking 10 times better than a 4.00 ERA.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 20:35:50 GMT -5
And now Kimbrel is probably going to have to close this game. Nevermind. Thanks JDM.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 8, 2018 20:38:18 GMT -5
Got greedy, trying to steal the extra inning with BJ. Still, I get the reasoning, given that we just spent our entire bullpen last night. This is why an objective method for identifying late hooks is a very desirable, even necessary, adjustment for pitching lines.
You could train a neural network to recognize the point where a pitcher gets a hook based simply on his performance and pitch count. Or you could look at all the data (including score, bullpen restedness, etc.) and try to figure out what the average manager does, and then use the resulting algorithm on each pitching start, based on an assumption of average score and bullpen situation.
When a guy who is obviously tired is left in to get hit hard only because he has a big lead and the bullpen needs a rest, that is obviously not data that tells you how good he is.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 20:38:52 GMT -5
Eduardo might not make it back before September, so the Sox could go into September with a 6 man rotation.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 8, 2018 20:40:16 GMT -5
Johnson's ERA up to 4. I hope that isn't the line between him and Pomeranz staying in the rotation. Even with Johnson's high ERA over the past 2 starts, he was great the 2 months before that, and I'd take 2 months over 2 games anytime. Also, keeping him in for Grichik was a rare Cora mistake to keep him in. I would still prefer Johnson to Pom right now but since Pom has more experience and Johnson is now at 4, I worry they may fall into the trap of a 3.92 ERA looking 10 times better than a 4.00 ERA. Alex Cora walks into the locker room prior to game four of the divisional series. He peers over at the chalkboard and stares at two ERA numbers, one scribbled under "Pomeranz," the other under "Johnson." He carefully compares.
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