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PawSox moving to Worcester MA in 2021
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2018 21:24:16 GMT -5
My concern/curiosity is traffic. I just came back from Maine to Albany, NY. 495 South to 290. There was a ,line 4 miles long waiting to get on 290 (and being smart, I satyed in the mnidle lane and jumped in front a truck just before the exit). But all traffic there is BAD. I can never remember no traffic at that intersection other than like Jan/Feb/March. (In fact, I can never rememeber anything but traffic nightmares wherever I travel through MA unless it's the dead of winter. But seriously, is this going to make a bad traffic situation worse? Maybe it just life in MA? It would be nice if they address this, too. Southern California would laugh at that.
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Post by gerry on Sept 10, 2018 21:44:59 GMT -5
My concern/curiosity is traffic. I just came back from Maine to Albany, NY. 495 South to 290. There was a ,line 4 miles long waiting to get on 290 (and being smart, I satyed in the mnidle lane and jumped in front a truck just before the exit). But all traffic there is BAD. I can never remember no traffic at that intersection other than like Jan/Feb/March. (In fact, I can never rememeber anything but traffic nightmares wherever I travel through MA unless it's the dead of winter. But seriously, is this going to make a bad traffic situation worse? Maybe it just life in MA? It would be nice if they address this, too. Southern California would laugh at that. Lol. Just spent an hour plus driving 30 miles (from Temecula wine country to Riverside, CA) starting at 3:00, not technically rush hour, tons of trucks, gridlock at freeway exchange ramps. Normal day in soCal. Good thing I didn't have to go to L.A. or O.C.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2018 23:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 11, 2018 8:03:47 GMT -5
Great article on the scam of publicly funded stadiums.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 11, 2018 9:16:32 GMT -5
Running commentary here...
I have no idea who Eric Wilbur is, but that dude is really good. The Boston.com piece on Dusza-Almeida and McCoy is priceless. Still reading...
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Mar 4, 2019 9:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Mar 4, 2019 9:56:31 GMT -5
(Not my car)
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 4, 2019 11:03:01 GMT -5
Outstanding research by deMause. He got opinions from both sides about the viability and profit potential. The claims of ancillary benefits to the tune of 10s of millions come across as dubious at best. Here's the takeaway for me:
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Post by bluechip on Mar 4, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -5
Outstanding research by deMause. He got opinions from both sides about the viability and profit potential. The claims of ancillary benefits to the tune of 10s of millions come across as dubious at best. Here's the takeaway for me: While I agree that the economic benefits are dubious at best, I do understand why they wanted the team. Worcester has serious reputation problems that Boston has never needed to deal with. They have spent a lot of money and effort and revitalizing the downtown and it’s really come a long way. Adding a sports team should help that reputation.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 4, 2019 22:53:47 GMT -5
"How will we help our fine city escape its reputation for being a mecca of corruption and graft" "Let's shell out millions of dollars in taxpayer money to build a baseball park and watch the rich people who donated money to our campaigns take in the profits." "Perfect!"
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Post by telson13 on Jul 7, 2019 20:45:09 GMT -5
I, for one, am absolutely pumped the AAA Sox are moving from Pawtucket to the WOO. Gameday traffic’s gonna be a bitch, I imagine, but with the train station and 290 right near by, it could be worse. As the second-largest city in NE population-wise, and with tons of colleges (and UMass Med school), they’ve got a good fan base to draw from. It’s also an easy jaunt from the northern/western suburbs of Boston via the pike and 495. Even Providence is only an hour away, Lowell 45 min, and southern NH/VT an hour too (OK, more like 75 min for VT). I think the central location is a LOT better than Pawtucket, and there’s a much bigger population to draw from. I’m excited since I’ll be nearby and def looking to hit up games with the park less that 20 min away. Worcester really is an absolute mess in some ways, but it’s fantastic in others. I think this is a very solid move for a city that could use a draw and some cache. www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/07/07/worcester-break-ground-stadium-for-triple-team/QVqGOfU63YuwXb8XoJfjxI/story.html
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Post by telson13 on Jul 7, 2019 20:51:52 GMT -5
I love this. Worcester is my home and they've been begging for this kind of revitalization of some kind for a while. Can't wait. Worcester has come a long way in the past five to ten years. Lots of great bars and restaurants. Not that I get there super often, but the downtown is certainly nicer than it was only a couple of years ago. It is. The new St Vincent Hospital is right downtown, built around 2000 (and built like a hotel with a beautiful atrium, since if the move from the old one didn’t work out, the building would’ve been repurposed as a hotel) is very nice, and UMassMed has a growing presence on the East side. Numerous terrific (like, really outstanding) restaurants and solid nightlife if that’s your bag. It’s very different from when I was growing up and drove through on the way to western MA to go see dinosaur footprints. Still definitely rough around some edges, but much, much nicer than it was in the days of Whitey Bulger using it as a hero on waystation on the Montreal-Southie run.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 7, 2019 20:53:04 GMT -5
Disappointed it didn't work out in Providence, would've been an amazing atmosphere right on the water. This is true. Not an easy place to get to for a lot of fans, though. But yeah, Providence is a real pretty downtown.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 17, 2019 10:54:38 GMT -5
Really my only strong feeling on this is that another "replica Fenway" would be the lamest and most unimaginative sh*t possible. www.masslive.com/worcesterredsox/2019/07/worcester-red-sox-polar-parks-current-plans-no-longer-include-green-monster-replica.htmlI am very happy to see the plans for the new park no longer have plans for a Green Monster replica. Minor league parks have their own charms without trying to mimic their major league counterparts. The Green Monster exists because Lansdowne Street is 275 feet away so they put a big wall up. The charm isn't just the wall itself, but how it enables Fenway Park to be built into the block.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2019 11:01:31 GMT -5
Well the thought, obviously, is that it allows the players to get used to Fenway's dimensions.
That said, I think the point gets overstated.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 17, 2019 11:21:40 GMT -5
A monster at AAA would break up the symmetry of one at every other level.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 25, 2019 19:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Nov 25, 2019 21:04:14 GMT -5
If they really wanted to reference the 1880s Ruby Legs/Brown Stockings, they could have used either name, which also works with the Red Sox theme. Though I guess I am not shocked they went with Worcester Red Sox.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2019 21:09:35 GMT -5
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 25, 2019 21:12:37 GMT -5
Ruby Legs is a great name and makes sense for a Red Sox affiliate and was sitting right there!
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Post by honestlyabe on Sept 15, 2020 14:11:40 GMT -5
The Worcester Business Journal just posted an interesting article: more than two years after the WooSox announcement, the city still has no formal lease on the team, doesn't own the property on which the stadium is being built, and doesn't have a binding agreement with the developer! linkI spoke with a Worcester cop at the dog park last fall who'd been on the Kelley Square traffic beat during the start of construction. He said the only way this thing was getting built on time and on budget was with a light winter '19. That didn't happen and the ground froze just about when it always does - shocker. Then they get back to it and the coronavirus crisis hits. Taxpayers are already on the hook for more than $30 million in overages, in addition to the ~$100m+ initial bill. And now this latest news that there's a non-zero chance the whole thing could go up in smoke with no consequences to anyone but taxpayers and hopeful fans! Incredibly unlikely, sure, but even the possibility is upsetting as a former Woo resident. The school system is a crisis situation even outside of covid-19 -- no sex ed for the second biggest city in New England, barebones ESL for a city rich with immigrants, underpaid teachers -- but we can afford a publically funded ballpark years after most cities have gotten wise to the con! Leaving aside my editorializing, the lack of a firm deal puts the city of Worcester in a terrible bargaining position with PawSox ownership going forward.
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Post by dd on Sept 18, 2020 16:23:48 GMT -5
The Worcester Business Journal just posted an interesting article: more than two years after the WooSox announcement, the city still has no formal lease on the team, doesn't own the property on which the stadium is being built, and doesn't have a binding agreement with the developer! linkI spoke with a Worcester cop at the dog park last fall who'd been on the Kelley Square traffic beat during the start of construction. He said the only way this thing was getting built on time and on budget was with a light winter '19. That didn't happen and the ground froze just about when it always does - shocker. Then they get back to it and the coronavirus crisis hits. Taxpayers are already on the hook for more than $30 million in overages, in addition to the ~$100m+ initial bill. And now this latest news that there's a non-zero chance the whole thing could go up in smoke with no consequences to anyone but taxpayers and hopeful fans! Incredibly unlikely, sure, but even the possibility is upsetting as a former Woo resident. The school system is a crisis situation even outside of covid-19 -- no sex ed for the second biggest city in New England, barebones ESL for a city rich with immigrants, underpaid teachers -- but we can afford a publically funded ballpark years after most cities have gotten wise to the con! Leaving aside my editorializing, the lack of a firm deal puts the city of Worcester in a terrible bargaining position with PawSox ownership going forward. Could my T-shirt become a collector's item???
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 18, 2020 19:05:34 GMT -5
The Worcester Business Journal just posted an interesting article: more than two years after the WooSox announcement, the city still has no formal lease on the team, doesn't own the property on which the stadium is being built, and doesn't have a binding agreement with the developer! linkI spoke with a Worcester cop at the dog park last fall who'd been on the Kelley Square traffic beat during the start of construction. He said the only way this thing was getting built on time and on budget was with a light winter '19. That didn't happen and the ground froze just about when it always does - shocker. Then they get back to it and the coronavirus crisis hits. Taxpayers are already on the hook for more than $30 million in overages, in addition to the ~$100m+ initial bill. And now this latest news that there's a non-zero chance the whole thing could go up in smoke with no consequences to anyone but taxpayers and hopeful fans! Incredibly unlikely, sure, but even the possibility is upsetting as a former Woo resident. The school system is a crisis situation even outside of covid-19 -- no sex ed for the second biggest city in New England, barebones ESL for a city rich with immigrants, underpaid teachers -- but we can afford a publically funded ballpark years after most cities have gotten wise to the con! Leaving aside my editorializing, the lack of a firm deal puts the city of Worcester in a terrible bargaining position with PawSox ownership going forward. Could my T-shirt become a collector's item??? Worth millions - of cents
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Post by dd on Sept 18, 2020 21:21:12 GMT -5
Could my T-shirt become a collector's item??? Worth millions - of cents Well, since just one million cents is $10,000 ... let me think ... SOLD!!
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Post by bluechip on Sept 19, 2020 6:31:57 GMT -5
The Worcester Business Journal just posted an interesting article: more than two years after the WooSox announcement, the city still has no formal lease on the team, doesn't own the property on which the stadium is being built, and doesn't have a binding agreement with the developer! linkI spoke with a Worcester cop at the dog park last fall who'd been on the Kelley Square traffic beat during the start of construction. He said the only way this thing was getting built on time and on budget was with a light winter '19. That didn't happen and the ground froze just about when it always does - shocker. Then they get back to it and the coronavirus crisis hits. Taxpayers are already on the hook for more than $30 million in overages, in addition to the ~$100m+ initial bill. And now this latest news that there's a non-zero chance the whole thing could go up in smoke with no consequences to anyone but taxpayers and hopeful fans! Incredibly unlikely, sure, but even the possibility is upsetting as a former Woo resident. The school system is a crisis situation even outside of covid-19 -- no sex ed for the second biggest city in New England, barebones ESL for a city rich with immigrants, underpaid teachers -- but we can afford a publically funded ballpark years after most cities have gotten wise to the con! Leaving aside my editorializing, the lack of a firm deal puts the city of Worcester in a terrible bargaining position with PawSox ownership going forward. Well, per the article, it sounds like the agreement to convey the land will be voted on next week. This part of the article was interesting though:
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