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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 21, 2018 22:54:11 GMT -5
This is an excellent forum. However, there are times that some posters dominate the threads to the point I feel that I am eavesdropping on private conversations.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2018 0:29:26 GMT -5
To be clear, while we are looser in moderating the gameday threads, the ground rules still apply there. Actually there isn't much that isn't pretty clear here. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2018 0:56:22 GMT -5
Perhaps the moderators would be well served to go back and read what their most active posters are saying.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 22, 2018 7:33:09 GMT -5
Better yet, I think all posters would be well served to go back and read what the moderators are saying.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 22, 2018 8:52:18 GMT -5
This site has always been terrible to posters who have a different opinion from the majority of posters even more so if it is different from a moderator. You just have to let it go, ignore them & move on.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 22, 2018 9:26:18 GMT -5
Pedro, hope you come back and continue to be you with a little restraint. Your contributions greatly outweigh your annoyance with never giving up on a point, "tongue in cheek."
I think there are others here who could decide to disagree and move on rather than belabor a point or position endlessly to the detriment of a thread also. Or maybe the throwdown thread should be used more often for those who enjoy that type of thing. Myself, I don't enjoy that much so when someone disagrees with me I just read the comments, maybe learn something maybe not, and move on.
I think the Mods do a great job 95% of the time and that is pretty good job performance.
Come on back Pedro, no harm no foul.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 22, 2018 9:31:50 GMT -5
I think I will do something totally unreasonable and post in every thread the fact that the Sox have gone 15-2 in the last 17 games pitched by you know who, the overpaid villain!!
As a tribute of course.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 22, 2018 11:44:18 GMT -5
I think that we have a great team of mods here, as good as it has ever been. I remember back in the day there were a few mods that were significantly more confrontational and escalated situations rather than de-escalating them. Here it seems that every move is calculated and discussed among their team. I imagine in order for them to make a move, there had to have been a fair amount of feedback from various sources. I hate to say it, but I agree with them quite a bit on this one. I like the guy but the sheer volume was a turn off. And the ignore system only collapses posts instead of completely deleting them, so that is of not much assistance. I am open to all sorts of solutions, but letting things go unchecked with regards to this could be disastrous.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 22, 2018 12:07:34 GMT -5
This is an excellent forum. However, there are times that some posters dominate the threads to the point I feel that I am eavesdropping on private conversations. Thank you for sharing this sentiment, because you're not alone in feeling this way and this is as at the heart of the issue. Make no mistake that we love that the board has a tight knit group of regular posters that get along for the most part. Hell, if I lived on the east coast currently, I'd try to organize some kind of meet up that could be a lot of fun. That said, we're trying to create an environment that is both comfortable and familiar to the regular posters and also inviting to new posters. Our forum ground rules regarding volume of posting and redundancy are largely aimed to create that inviting atmosphere for the newer or less involved posters. That might be hard to understand or easy to overlook for the longtime regulars, but make no mistake that a common critique of the boards mirrors the quote that artfuldodger laid out above. Pedro is obviously welcome back whenever he wants, we never asked him to leave, but he needs to understand the impact of his posting on the board's other posters and followers, particularly the less visible. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2018 12:24:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry but all this just isn't making sense. I totally get no dominating other threads. Yet the gameday thread ground rules say if your making more than two posts in a row you should slow down. It says absolutely nothing about volume. Pedro wasn't dominating the discussion in the gameday thread because A. the level of volume is crazy high and b. his posts were a die hard fan living on every pitch and ever at bat. They weren't argumentative and he wasn't repeating things in the gameday thread when he was sent a message.
My point being is you can say there are no conspiracy theories going on, but it seems he got called out for something totally within the rules of this forum because people complained about him before for doing something totally different. That sure seems like the Mods just ganging up on Pedro because they are sick of him.
I have zero issue with telling Pedro in a nice way to just slow down your posting in a trade thread or the Paw Sox moving thread if you thought he was dominating the discussion. I don't think its fair when some Mods use a tone or crazy attitude to scold a poster. I mean if you want a fun good forum that people want to join, I don't see how that helps. We are all adults here, not little kids.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 22, 2018 12:57:43 GMT -5
As someone who enjoys this forum, I’m going to suggest we move on. The mods aren’t paid. This is a free spot for us to come talk sports. At this point, we are just going to hurt the forum by continuing this discussion. If we have problems are ideas then we can take it to the mods privately. I can’t see how this is going to help any of us.
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2018 13:24:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry but all this just isn't making sense. I totally get no dominating other threads. Yet the gameday thread ground rules say if your making more than two posts in a row you should slow down. It says absolutely nothing about volume. Pedro wasn't dominating the discussion in the gameday thread because A. the level of volume is crazy high and b. his posts were a die hard fan living on every pitch and ever at bat. They weren't argumentative and he wasn't repeating things in the gameday thread when he was sent a message. My point being is you can say there are no conspiracy theories going on, but it seems he got called out for something totally within the rules of this forum because people complained about him before for doing something totally different. That sure seems like the Mods just ganging up on Pedro because they are sick of him. I have zero issue with telling Pedro in a nice way to just slow down your posting in a trade thread or the Paw Sox moving thread if you thought he was dominating the discussion. I don't think its fair when some Mods use a tone or crazy attitude to scold a poster. I mean if you want a fun good forum that people want to join, I don't see how that helps. We are all adults here, not little kids. I refer you again to my PM to him. I would disagree with any characterization that it exhibited "a tone or crazy attitude." The gameday thread rules include a request to avoid repetitiveness and volume (see the reference to "monopolizing the discussion"), and I continue to believe that the examples in the PM (posting volume generally, volume in the PawSox thread and bringing up the Rays pitching philosophy in three separate threads) were valid issues to raise. Frankly, I think the degree of openness and transparency that we have exhibited here goes well above and beyond what you would find elsewhere. Multiple members of the staff have taken the time to explain our perspective. You don't have to agree with it, but it's all out there in the open. I'm not sure what else you want from us. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 22, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -5
Frankly, I think the degree of openness and transparency that we have exhibited here goes well above and beyond what you would find elsewhere. Multiple members of the staff have taken the time to explain our perspective. You don't have to agree with it, but it's all out there in the open. I'm not sure what else you want from us. This is absolutely the truth. This is the best forum that I've been on in that regard. You guys do a great job and just remember that modding will never make everyone happy. It just goes with the territory. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2018 14:27:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry but all this just isn't making sense. I totally get no dominating other threads. Yet the gameday thread ground rules say if your making more than two posts in a row you should slow down. It says absolutely nothing about volume. Pedro wasn't dominating the discussion in the gameday thread because A. the level of volume is crazy high and b. his posts were a die hard fan living on every pitch and ever at bat. They weren't argumentative and he wasn't repeating things in the gameday thread when he was sent a message. My point being is you can say there are no conspiracy theories going on, but it seems he got called out for something totally within the rules of this forum because people complained about him before for doing something totally different. That sure seems like the Mods just ganging up on Pedro because they are sick of him. I have zero issue with telling Pedro in a nice way to just slow down your posting in a trade thread or the Paw Sox moving thread if you thought he was dominating the discussion. I don't think its fair when some Mods use a tone or crazy attitude to scold a poster. I mean if you want a fun good forum that people want to join, I don't see how that helps. We are all adults here, not little kids. I refer you again to my PM to him. I would disagree with any characterization that it exhibited "a tone or crazy attitude." The gameday thread rules include a request to avoid repetitiveness and volume (see the reference to "monopolizing the discussion"), and I continue to believe that the examples in the PM (posting volume generally, volume in the PawSox thread and bringing up the Rays pitching philosophy in three separate threads) were valid issues to raise. Frankly, I think the degree of openness and transparency that we have exhibited here goes well above and beyond what you would find elsewhere. Multiple members of the staff have taken the time to explain our perspective. You don't have to agree with it, but it's all out there in the open. I'm not sure what else you want from us. I was referring to Chris scolding Pedro in the trade thread a few weeks back. Monopolizing the discussion " if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit" You start off with 54 posts in 24 hours. Your posting volume is an issue again. There isn't a rule a about posting volume, just not making more than two posts in a row. All but 5 of those posts were in the gameday thread. A thread that really isn't a discussion, just a reaction thread to the Red Sox games. Hence the more lax rules. So what is the issue with posting volume? We all want to follow the rules, but Pedro left because he was told he couldn't post a bunch in the gameday thread, when it looks like he was 100% within the rules for that thread. Not sure how we can follow the rules, if they aren't what are posted. You even defined what you thought monopolizing the discussion was so this can't be just two people thinking about its meaning differently. I have zero issue with the other crap, heck Pedro would still be here and this whole useless thread wouldn't exist if the whole 54 post in 24 hours and your volume is to high wasn't sent to him. Which if it wasn't the gameday thread I would 100% agree with, but it was. Even you said if the volume was just the gameday thread it would be a lot less of an issue. Well it was the gameday thread, so I'm highly confused and I think a lot of posters are. Pedro can upset people and derail threads sure, but his gameday thread posts are pure gold. You hardly notice his volume in the gameday thread, because it is by far the highest volume thread on the board. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2018 15:33:32 GMT -5
I refer you again to my PM to him. I would disagree with any characterization that it exhibited "a tone or crazy attitude." The gameday thread rules include a request to avoid repetitiveness and volume (see the reference to "monopolizing the discussion"), and I continue to believe that the examples in the PM (posting volume generally, volume in the PawSox thread and bringing up the Rays pitching philosophy in three separate threads) were valid issues to raise. Frankly, I think the degree of openness and transparency that we have exhibited here goes well above and beyond what you would find elsewhere. Multiple members of the staff have taken the time to explain our perspective. You don't have to agree with it, but it's all out there in the open. I'm not sure what else you want from us. I was referring to Chris scolding Pedro in the trade thread a few weeks back. Monopolizing the discussion " if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit" You start off with 54 posts in 24 hours. Your posting volume is an issue again. There isn't a rule a about posting volume, just not making more than two posts in a row. All but 5 of those posts were in the gameday thread. A thread that really isn't a discussion, just a reaction thread to the Red Sox games. Hence the more lax rules. So what is the issue with posting volume? We all want to follow the rules, but Pedro left because he was told he couldn't post a bunch in the gameday thread, when it looks like he was 100% within the rules for that thread. Not sure how we can follow the rules, if they aren't what are posted. You even defined what you thought monopolizing the discussion was so this can't be just two people thinking about its meaning differently. I have zero issue with the other crap, heck Pedro would still be here and this whole useless thread wouldn't exist if the whole 54 post in 24 hours and your volume is to high wasn't sent to him. Which if it wasn't the gameday thread I would 100% agree with, but it was. Even you said if the volume was just the gameday thread it would be a lot less of an issue. Well it was the gameday thread, so I'm highly confused and I think a lot of posters are. Pedro can upset people and derail threads sure, but his gameday thread posts are pure gold. You hardly notice his volume in the gameday thread, because it is by far the highest volume thread on the board. It would not be fair to characterize this as some confusing, off-the-cuff new policy that we surprised him with. In fact, we mass PMed our most prolific posters, including pedrofanforever, before the year began to highlight the fact that we were going to be stricter in terms of moderating the gameday threads going forward (which you may remember, having been on that PM thread). That PM thread contained the following language: "Be mindful of posting volume. There's really no reason to be making 20+ posts in a given gameday thread. It sucks up all the air in the room and dissuades others from posting." I can tell you that the exact reason that we added that language into the gameday threads this year is because certain posters, including pedrofanforever, were dominating the conversation and making it hard for other members (especially newer members) to participate, as Mike discussed in greater detail above. That's not to mention the multiple private and public warnings that we've previously provided to him. In any event, for the avoidance of doubt, let me clarify-- all posters should watch their posting volume in the gameday thread. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 22, 2018 15:55:49 GMT -5
If everyone is posting a lot, do you still have to watch your posting volume? Or is it more about watching the percentage of posts you have in a thread? The Yankee thread probably had 60 pages of posts for example and just about everyone had 'too many posts'.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Aug 22, 2018 16:18:13 GMT -5
As long as you're not regularly posting 2x or 3x more than the second highest volume poster on the forum, that should probably be cool in terms of volume. Even if you do that, we'll just send you a quick note.
Remember, this whole conversation got started by a cordial note. Nobody got banned.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2018 16:28:56 GMT -5
Umm no I didn't read a gameday thread disclaimer because I almost never post in gameday threads. Almost the only time I do is when the trade talk spills over into that thread around the deadline. So color me confused why I was one of only four people to get a special gameday thread set of rules. Which kinda proves my whole point that certain people are treated differently by the Mods. Kinda hard to argue that when only 4 people get special rules and two of those posters don't even post much in the gameday thread.
In the current gameday thread one poster has already blown past that limit after two games. Not that I care, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it just seems weird that only four posters have special gameday rules!
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 22, 2018 16:40:26 GMT -5
Who’s this Mike guy? He still posts around here?
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 22, 2018 17:56:20 GMT -5
Their is a reason why the vast majority of people who are regulars on this site would agree it is the best site on the internet to do what we do. So with that in mind the mods are just trying to maintain that level of civility and personality to keep it that way. They aren't making decisions based on some bias towards anyone in particular, they are just trying to maintain the overall experience of being an active member.
So lets stop arguing and taking a stance against the people whose only concerned is maintaining the positive experience of being active here. Pedrofan will be back, he loves it too much to not and that is what he is most guilty of. Just being passionate about being able to connect with like minded people, he is the definition of a fan.
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2018 18:09:13 GMT -5
Umm no I didn't read a gameday thread disclaimer because I almost never post in gameday threads. Almost the only time I do is when the trade talk spills over into that thread around the deadline. So color me confused why I was one of only four people to get a special gameday thread set of rules. Which kinda proves my whole point that certain people are treated differently by the Mods. Kinda hard to argue that when only 4 people get special rules and two of those posters don't even post much in the gameday thread. In the current gameday thread one poster has already blown past that limit after two games. Not that I care, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it just seems weird that only four posters have special gameday rules! These were not special rules for special posters. The disclaimer is on every single gameday thread, and it was prominently highlighted in a post that was stickied in the general forums for the first few weeks of the year. If you cannot understand that "refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit)" means "watch your posting volume," I really don't know what to tell you. As Mike noted above, it's not a hard numerical cutoff, but if you're posting two or three times more often than the next-most-frequent poster, that's a problem. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 23, 2018 9:00:39 GMT -5
That's not true - free deepjohn! How the hell am I supposed to know how Michael Kopech is doing on a daily basis? |
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 23, 2018 9:04:41 GMT -5
Delete
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 23, 2018 10:23:35 GMT -5
Not sure how many of you know that deepjohn had some serious issues and this site was an outlet for him during his rehab.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 23, 2018 11:03:47 GMT -5
I only want Pedro back if he can participate without his own feelings of burden. From where I stand, he or his energy will always be present when I am here.
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