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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 28, 2018 21:51:41 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can actually trade for that would help the pen over the next 72 hours? Trying to think of who cleared waivers, it's hard to think of who it could be. Mark Melancon? But he's owed like 28 mil the next two years. Even though hes been a legitimate bullpen arm since leaving the sox, no thank you they've tried that experiment.
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Post by manfred on Aug 28, 2018 21:52:55 GMT -5
Shoulda let Johnson go 8.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 28, 2018 21:52:56 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can actually trade for that would help the pen over the next 72 hours? Trying to think of who cleared waivers, it's hard to think of who it could be. Mark Melancon? But he's owed like 28 mil the next two years. Is Lakins ready? He might be our only option
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Post by patford on Aug 28, 2018 21:54:59 GMT -5
I foolishly thought the Sox had the game wrapped up and fortunately didn't watch the rest of it. The win would not have been worth the brief encounter.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Aug 28, 2018 21:55:04 GMT -5
I missed the word fight when I first read it and it was more weird than funny... I'd would do anything for a win, but I wont do that, no I wont do that. Who am i kidding i would - Meatloaf
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 28, 2018 21:57:18 GMT -5
Trying to think of who cleared waivers, it's hard to think of who it could be. Mark Melancon? But he's owed like 28 mil the next two years. Is Lakins ready? He might be our only option Don't forget Poyner.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 28, 2018 22:02:42 GMT -5
Trying to think of who cleared waivers, it's hard to think of who it could be. Mark Melancon? But he's owed like 28 mil the next two years. Is Lakins ready? He might be our only option Obiwan.....I just know he's not dead.
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Post by tizzle on Aug 28, 2018 22:09:56 GMT -5
Trying to think of who cleared waivers, it's hard to think of who it could be. Mark Melancon? But he's owed like 28 mil the next two years. Even though hes been a legitimate bullpen arm since leaving the sox, no thank you they've tried that experiment. I don't know, if they paid his salary for this year and about half of it for the next two, and we sent back a couple of guys like Travis and Cuevas, it'd be worth taking a chance on him. If Tony Watson had cleared, I'd be thrilled to get him too, but his salary is low enough that I doubt he cleared.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Aug 28, 2018 22:27:11 GMT -5
Yankees have 7 closers, if we asked nice enough maybe they would let us hold one...?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2018 22:47:55 GMT -5
We'll I'm so glad we didn't get a bullpen arm, because no one was as good as the guys we had!
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Post by tizzle on Aug 28, 2018 22:55:11 GMT -5
We'll I'm so glad we didn't get a bullpen arm, because no one was as good as the guys we had! Clearly. How can you possibly improve on Hector Velasquez?
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Post by patford on Aug 28, 2018 22:57:39 GMT -5
I think the Sox should see if Koji would be interested in signing.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 28, 2018 23:13:29 GMT -5
Turns out he had a foot problem and couldn’t pitch. Yikes
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 28, 2018 23:25:48 GMT -5
That's the easy answer when he's scuffling, but there aren't better options on the FA market and it would probably take too much from a thin farm system to get a replecement in trade. That's the easy answer when he's been scuffling all year. 5 blown saves (probably should be more). 25 walks in 53 innings. Probably gets 18mil for 1 year. I'd rather roll the dice with Brasier, but could live with offering Kimbrel the QO.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 28, 2018 23:25:58 GMT -5
Is Lakins ready? He might be our only option Don't forget Poyner. Poyner's not good. He was mostly lucky up here. Reverse split, mediocre numbers in AAA.
The guy down there with the best numbers, almost the same as Brasier's (where was he tonight?), is Robby Scott. He should be here as a LOOGY in September.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 28, 2018 23:27:23 GMT -5
Turns out he had a foot problem and couldn’t pitch. Yikes Ouch. If that's more than day to day, they might want Lakins on 9/1.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2018 0:01:05 GMT -5
I guess it's better to be lucky than good.
The Red Sox tried to give the game away a couple of times, but the Marlins kept giving it back.
I mean the last two Red Sox runs came on a wild pitch walk and a botched inning ending DP error.
The Marlins gift wrapped a game for the Yankees last week when they couldn't win the game despite having the bases loaded and no outs in the 9th and 11th innings, so they made up for it by gift wrapping tonight's game.
The most important AB was the clutch single by JBJ.
And this is why I really don't give a crap about exit velocities, etc. I get tired of hearing about all of the lucky hits that fall in against Red Sox pitching. JBJ's hit was a seeing eye ground ball single that wasn't hit that sharply.
I get that when you're "evaluating" what you think is the start of a trend or something that those advanced do a much better job of giving you indicators for the future, but for me, during the individual game, really I don't care - I do get that other do. For me, the results are what matters. I'd rather the Sox win the real game than a virtual game in which they really lost. It's small consolation when they lose. On the flip side I don't care if those evaluating stats say the Sox shouldn't have won - I'm glad when they do win.
JBJ's 20 hopper is as good as a 112 scorching line drive single as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather that than him hitting a scorching line drive out. It was a "lucky" hit I suppose, but what does it matter? He gave them exactly what they needed when they needed it. Way to go JBJ. The Marlins were victimized there by some bad BABIP luck. Oh well. That's baseball. It happens that way for all teams.
The game did nothing to make me feel confident about the bullpen going forward. You can give me fangraphs stuff all you want, but honestly with a lead who do you really trust?
The Sox rank well because their bullpen is pretty evenly spaced. I don't think the Sox' high leverage guys are necessarily as good as than the ones the other post-season bound teams have. I think the advantage that the Sox bullpen has had is the lack of total drek in the pen. In other words the Sox have a bunch of interchangeable relievers, the worst ones are much better than the worst ones on other teams, which is good because it does give the Sox a better chance of coming back from deficits as opposed to other teams, who when they get down, their low leverage guys exacerbate the deficit.
It's a double edged sword. You feel like you have a shot when you're down because your bullpen guys are good enough to reasonably keep you in the game, but if you're up, your heart is in your throat because it's not that easy to trust them.
Why should you? Kimbrel has been awful the past month. His walks are way up. I think he's probably nursing some sort of ailment. If not - ?
Barnes has been getting tagged. I wouldn't be surprised if he were hitting a wall. He has pitched an awful lot. His numbers the past few weeks are horrible.
Hembree is also pitching like a guy who is gassed. His numbers have been lousy lately.
Those are 3 of your 4 high leverage relievers and Brasier has what hopefully is a minor foot injury and his track record is all of about 20 MLB innings long.
So excuse me if I don't buy that our bullpen is as awesome as Fangraphs says. But I guess the comparison is that a lot of other teams have crappy pens. The Marlins bullpen didn't do the job tonight either. The White Sox coughed up a 4-0 lead (thanks for nothing ChiSox!). I think the soon-to-be post-season teams have better bullpens than that, though.
It'll help the Sox if Wright is healthy enough to be a bullpen option. Maybe Pedro can help out Eovaldi now that he's spotted something that Eovaldi wasn't doing right. It looks like if E-Rod is healthy, Eovaldi is headed for the pen.
E-Rod will wind up swinging between the pen and rotation anyways come October. Plus at this point, why not see if you can capture lightning in a bottle? Might as well see what Travis Lakins can do. Maybe he can do what Austin Maddox did last year.
It's funny that two others had the same Koji Uehara thought I had - I certainly miss him, but the truth is he's not really pitching that well in Japan. ERA and FIP over 4. 5 HRs surrendered in 20 something innings. Don't think that would translate well over here for the 43 year old. But boy do I miss 2013 Koji. Wish we had somebody lockdown like that for our pen this season!
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Post by incandenza on Aug 29, 2018 0:34:47 GMT -5
I get that when you're "evaluating" what you think is the start of a trend or something that those advanced do a much better job of giving you indicators for the future, but for me, during the individual game, really I don't care - I do get that other do. For me, the results are what matters. I'd rather the Sox win the real game than a virtual game in which they really lost. It's small consolation when they lose. On the flip side I don't care if those evaluating stats say the Sox shouldn't have won - I'm glad when they do win. You do get that everyone cares about results, right? The people talking about exit velocity enjoy winning and hate losing just as much as you do. It's just a way of trying to understand the game. You know, like when people talk about saves and RBIs, but better.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 29, 2018 6:28:47 GMT -5
One thing that feels incredibly archaic in 2018 is the "starter needs to go five innings to get the win" rule. Obviously things went haywire later on. But had things gone according to plan, Johnson would've still been the most effective and most deserving pitcher if we're going to dole out a single "win" to someone on the staff. And it's especially batty, because if they'd done the Rays thing, and had someone like Brasier pitch first for an inning and then gone to Johnson for 4 1/3, he'd have been eligible for the decision.
The late inning insanity made the point moot in this specific case, but it's a rule that doesn't make sense anymore.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 29, 2018 6:41:40 GMT -5
It is good to win a game like that, yes it was ugly but still a win. As a team it is a big deal to pick up the pen like that as it helps lessen the burden the guys in the pen feel for not producing.
As for the pen, those guys need to get there shizzle together.
As for the playoffs, their will be reinforcements coming in the form of Erod and Wright along with Eovoldi moving to the pen. I still believe his stuff will play up in shorter stints and hopefully Pedro waves his magic wand for him.
Price on the bump tonight should make for a less taxing win for the fandoms hearts, still the best team in baseball.
edit. It is fun to read the game thread in the am after a game like that.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 29, 2018 7:57:02 GMT -5
good contract year for Kimbrel
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Post by jmei on Aug 29, 2018 8:01:00 GMT -5
This was a pretty classic gameday thread experience.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 29, 2018 8:50:54 GMT -5
Should the Sox phantom DL one of these bullpen guys so perhaps we can get another playoff eligible reliever? Pomeranz is pretty much useless other than eating innings, and Velázquez probably won't make the playoff roster either.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2018 8:54:03 GMT -5
Should the Sox phantom DL one of these bullpen guys so perhaps we can get another playoff eligible reliever? Pomeranz is pretty much useless other than eating innings, and Velázquez probably won't make the playoff roster either. The Red Sox don't need to do that. Say you wanted Lakins on the post-season roster. He's already in the organization. He's eligible for the post-season roster. It's only players outside of the organization and it's unlikely there's a new reliever from another team by Aug 31st.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 29, 2018 8:56:08 GMT -5
This was a pretty classic gameday thread experience. classless...
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