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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 13, 2018 20:37:25 GMT -5
Cora is doing a great job but Kelly had no business staying in the game after the first HPB.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2018 20:38:39 GMT -5
Wow - this is the 5th year we've put up with Kelly's consistent inconsistency. In a way seems like a decade. But we at least got all those great games from Allen Craig.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 13, 2018 20:38:52 GMT -5
WTF is wrong with you Joe Kelly?? Pitching his way off the playoff roster. And opening a door for Workman!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 13, 2018 20:39:17 GMT -5
Workman shows how it should be done. Work fast, be confident, go at the hitter. Kelly's head is a mess.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 13, 2018 20:41:06 GMT -5
Too bad this bullpen doesn’t have access to Ty Buttrey. (Not regretting the Kinsler trade, just wish this bullpen had someone step up like Buttrey has since his call up.) speaking of buttrey, here is what he's done since getting called up to the Angels.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 13, 2018 20:43:29 GMT -5
Wow - Workman hit 94 - his velocity continues to creep up. I've always liked his composure...
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 13, 2018 20:45:19 GMT -5
Effectively, the division is a certainty. I get resting guys and not stressing about every inning. What bothers me, is we don’t really know what the 7th 8th inning should look like in the playoffs.
It’s obviously not Kelly, with so little time left I’d like to see some other guys in that role.
I want to see what Eovaldi can do cranking it up for one inning.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 13, 2018 20:47:00 GMT -5
Joe Kelly is better than Solarte. HAHAHA
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 13, 2018 20:47:10 GMT -5
We are living a charmed life!
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 13, 2018 20:48:43 GMT -5
How many times have we seen a team screw up late in a game giving the Sox an extra chances to win? Bad baseball.
thank you
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 13, 2018 21:00:51 GMT -5
Good win. The 1-2-3 inning from Kimbrel is just what this pen needs.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 13, 2018 21:01:43 GMT -5
Super efficient Kimbrel is a joy to watch. Win 101. Magic number is - what? 6?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 13, 2018 21:01:55 GMT -5
No extra innings shenanigans, great stuff!
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2018 21:02:30 GMT -5
You cannot mismanage this situation anymore than Cora has just now. But a pet peeve of mine has always been when a guy gets hit by a pitch while checking his swing. It doesn’t make sense that he gets to take his base. Cora didn’t mismanage it; he’s trying to find someone who doesn’t suck. It’s not his fault all he can do is keep trying guys in stretches and pray one of them gets hot. His bullpen sucks; Erod would have tried to go 8 in the playoffs.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 13, 2018 21:04:33 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 13, 2018 21:10:46 GMT -5
Magic number 6!!
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Post by telson13 on Sept 13, 2018 21:38:01 GMT -5
Yeah, as much as his “Trader Dave” persona drove me to the brink of insanity, he’s gotten outstanding returns for not a ton lost (pending Logan Allen) in return with his biggest deals. Price’s deal has been a bit rich, but for the most part he’s been very solid and often good. JDM was a no-brainer but DD played it just right and didn’t cave. I credit him with keeping a lot of the “right” guys that he inherited and building a very deep roster on top of that. His hiring of Cora was an absolutely fantastic move that carried a lot of risk. A few overpays and Travis Shaws aside, he’s done an excellent job, right down to this year’s draft. Kudos. Yes. Obviously to have this kind of record tho, a lot of things have to go right beyond personnel. Cora has the 'new age'?, calm demeanor of a Stevens. Like Stevens he is perfectly young/old, intelligent, articulate, fair, listens, reasoned, intuitive, and has emotional intelligence. I can't imagine any other manager in Sox lore who could have led this team to 100 wins at this point. The team, like the Celtics, functions better than the sum of its parts. Yeah, he was the perfect hire. He seems to have Tito’s ability to relate to players, with a sanguine attitude and the knowledge to use analytics well. He’s absolutely gotten the most from his roster. DD does deserve some credit for the bold hire, tho, of a first-year manager for a WS-caliber team. It was a bold move that’s paid off in spades.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 13, 2018 21:46:16 GMT -5
That would be silly for them to do because Oakland will wind up right near 100 themselves. They could wind up with a better record even. The outrage would come if a 100 win wild card team lost to an 85 win wild card team in a 1 game playoff. Then you might hear the call for a 3 game Wild Card Series, but the problem is that you can't have the other 6 teams idling that long waiting for the outcome of the two wild card games. A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. In fairness, it doesn’t really decide the season...the 162 games are there to give a team the opportunity to avoid the WC. I agree that it’s kind of brutal, but there could be 1 WC or 32 teams, and no WCs. I think it’s a reasonable solution to the 3-division leagues.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2018 22:54:41 GMT -5
The win wasn't pretty, but it's great to be able to take it, especially when it's gift wrapped for a second straight night. Thank you Solarte.
E-Rod was awesome. That was good to see. Should make for an interesting debate as to whether he gets the call in Game 3 or Game 4. Guess it depends on the matchup. Porcello would probably get the ball for Game 3 against New York or Houston, while E-Rod, perhaps would get the Game 3 call against Oakland or Cleveland, I'd suppose.
JDM now is back to being tied for the HR lead. He's been in the lead at some point for each of the triple crown categories. I do think he'll start hitting more HRs and will lead the league, but I think Mookie will cost his the batting crown.
Although I think it would be awesome if JDM and Mookie both tied for BA champ - of course the only way they could feasibly do it is if both hit .3333333 or basically get hits in exactly 1/3 of their ABs. That way JDM gets his triple crown while Mookie also gets his batting crown as well while being a gold glove 30-30 man. Then perhaps they can tie in the MVP voting, a stalemate between old school intangibles and new school stats. That would be a cool outcome.
Hopefully Nunez will be alright. If he isn't that would open the door for Brandon Phillips which to me wouldn't be an offensive dropoff, but I would worry about the Sox have 3b defended by a rookie who makes rookie mistakes and a veteran with very little experience at 3b. Meanwhile, I hope Devers takes advantage of his opportunities like he did tonight. I'd like to see Devers wind up as the starting 3b in the post-season - hopefully with Nunez healthy.
Kimbrel was dominant. Is it me or is he usually much better commandwise when he's pitching in back-to-back days? Workman was nails out of the pen. Despite the HR to Freddie Freeman, I think he's pitched very well over the past month or so and is deserving of a bullpen spot for the post-season.
I would hope that this (in addition to his Houston meltdown and all of his other meltdowns) would be enough reason for Cora to please keep Joe Kelly the hell off the playoff roster! His one job was to get one batter out and he couldn't do it in four tries! He cost E-Rod a deserved victory.
At least when Workman gives up a run, it's quick (HR ball), and while I would have preferred for Poyner to keep the ball in the park, at least it was quick. Watching Joe Kelly is pure torture. I'll be glad when he leaves as a free agent.
So now the magic number is 6, the lead is back to a season high 10.5 games, and the Sox have now matched the 1915 World Champion Red Sox with 101 wins, although with 4 less losses this season.
I'd like to see the Sox whittle the magic number to 2 so that they don't have to win 2 games at Yankee Stadium, but it's hard to see the Yankees losing twice at home to a Jays team that really lost the last two games more than the Sox really won them. They wild pitched the winning run home yesterday and dropped an easy popup that cost them the game today, and it will be a tall order for the Sox to beat the Mets twice this weekend when the Mets have the total pitching advantage on Friday with Thor opposing Velazquez and on Sunday when the Sox only have Sale for a few innings and the Mets have DeGrom going - maybe the Mets won't score that day!
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 13, 2018 23:14:35 GMT -5
Cleveland plays in the worse division in baseball and could end up being 6th or 7th in the AL while winning that terrible division. I think I will be routing for them against Houston, just a thought.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 13, 2018 23:15:28 GMT -5
Wow - Workman hit 94 - his velocity continues to creep up. I've always liked his composure... Creep is the operative word. W/o looking, I believe his FB was 95 before his injury. In his last outing he was 90-92. Today 92-94. If so, he fluctuates game to game. The higher end with a plus curve, is serviceable. Lower and ..."Can someone please hand me a bat"?
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 13, 2018 23:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Sept 13, 2018 23:35:35 GMT -5
Hanley is still 10th on the team in RBIs. And striking distance to Brock Holt. Huh.
Please return to regularly scheduled conversations.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2018 6:48:57 GMT -5
A one game playoff to decide a 162 game season is absurd enough on its own. They don't need any excuses to fix that. Although, I'd still enjoy listening to Yankees fans complain about it. In fairness, it doesn’t really decide the season...the 162 games are there to give a team the opportunity to avoid the WC. I agree that it’s kind of brutal, but there could be 1 WC or 32 teams, and no WCs. I think it’s a reasonable solution to the 3-division leagues. Exactly... plus the winner take all elimination game is the best thing to watch in sports and you’ve created 2 of them every year in baseball. Those games get great ratings and typically provide great theater. Don’t need to water that down.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2018 7:20:49 GMT -5
In fairness, it doesn’t really decide the season...the 162 games are there to give a team the opportunity to avoid the WC. I agree that it’s kind of brutal, but there could be 1 WC or 32 teams, and no WCs. I think it’s a reasonable solution to the 3-division leagues. Exactly... plus the winner take all elimination game is the best thing to watch in sports and you’ve created 2 of them every year in baseball. Those games get great ratings and typically provide great theater. Don’t need to water that down. Baltimore can beat us in one game about 30% of the time. That's just dumb. Baseball is the only sport where the dominant team doesn't win all that often compared to other sports. Would everyone be arguing with me if the Red Sox were winning 100 games and then lost to an 83 win Rays team in the WC game because they strung 8 ground ball hits in a row and the Red Sox hit line drives right at people all game?
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