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Post by kjkramer on Apr 17, 2019 17:03:17 GMT -5
When do we find out if Swihart was claimed? What is the timeline? I assume he would get claimed but hoping somehow he doesnt
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2019 17:06:29 GMT -5
When do we find out if Swihart was claimed? What is the timeline? I assume he would get claimed but hoping somehow he doesnt A team has 10 days after DFAing a player to trade him or let him go claimed, unless they changed that rule. It will happen way sooner than 10 days though. He'll probably be gone by the weekend. A lot of teams should be in on him.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 17, 2019 18:52:36 GMT -5
When do we find out if Swihart was claimed? What is the timeline? I assume he would get claimed but hoping somehow he doesnt A team has 10 days after DFAing a player to trade him or let him go claimed, unless they changed that rule. It will happen way sooner than 10 days though. He'll probably be gone by the weekend. A lot of teams should be in on him. The rule was changed to 7 days. Waivers is 48 hours, so assume they have up to 5 days to play around with trade attempts. If he's not on waivers already, they have until day 5 to put him on. Sunday. Tuesday is day 7. www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3535Edit: if this transaction was Tues morn ... I believe the latest he can go on waivers is Sat 2 pm, coming off Monday 1 pm.
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Post by libertine on Apr 17, 2019 22:23:55 GMT -5
My final thought on this until if/when there is any further information on this move.
I think this is a blessing for Swihart. He was never going to get a proper shot with this organization for whatever reason(s). Pulling the plug on him after giving the job, just 17 games in? This was the 2nd time they pulled that crap on him. If I was Swihart I would be saying "good riddance!" to this organization. Obviously he is going to end up on his feet somewhere...which will probably be a place that treats him with much more professionalism than the Red Sox did.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 18, 2019 9:59:55 GMT -5
For those hoping for a trade, Dombrowski said the other day that there has basically not been trade interest in him since 2017.
The only kind of offer they're going to get is for something like low minors depth. "You're going to lose him on waivers, so take this guy, who's better than nothing." Holding out hope that they get anything for him is likely to lead to disappointment.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 18, 2019 10:11:31 GMT -5
For those hoping for a trade, Dombrowski said the other day that there has basically not been trade interest in him since 2017. The only kind of offer they're going to get is for something like low minors depth. "You're going to lose him on waivers, so take this guy, who's better than nothing." Holding out hope that they get anything for him is likely to lead to disappointment. That's disappointing. If they could even just get some international pool money for him that would be great. Something of value would be nice. He still has a lot of upside if a team is willing to stick with him and work with him.
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 18, 2019 10:13:08 GMT -5
For those hoping for a trade, Dombrowski said the other day that there has basically not been trade interest in him since 2017. The only kind of offer they're going to get is for something like low minors depth. "You're going to lose him on waivers, so take this guy, who's better than nothing." Holding out hope that they get anything for him is likely to lead to disappointment. Disappointment defines the April 2019 Red Sox, I suppose this shouldn't be any different.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2019 16:23:53 GMT -5
Give me an High A power arm with control problems and I'm OK with all of this at this point.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2019 16:40:01 GMT -5
Interested to see what they get for him.
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Post by bosox on Apr 19, 2019 17:20:27 GMT -5
Interested to see what they get for him. For those that remember, as kids, the cereals that had 3D baseball cards inside, the excitement of getting someone good was always dashed when you actually opened the box and found out who was on the card. It will be interesting to see what the deal turns out to be but I suspect it will be a lottery ticket that falls into the something is better than nothing category. So, while losing Swihart isn't great, at least they'll get something.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 19, 2019 17:55:21 GMT -5
Interested to see what they get for him.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2019 21:30:54 GMT -5
The Red Sox traded bonus money?!?
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 20, 2019 0:30:08 GMT -5
The Red Sox traded bonus money?!? It’s for the singing period that ends this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2019 22:36:20 GMT -5
The Sox' savior right here. Remember when people overated his game calling skills last year?
I do.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2019 6:00:54 GMT -5
The freaking pitchers have to hit spots and pitch well. It's not like I could go out there and pitch well just because Sandy Leon is catching.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2019 6:14:16 GMT -5
Yes, give Sandy all the credit when he's catching them well last year. Blame the pitchers when they pitch poorly this year.
Whatever. I at least agree that the pitcher's stink this year, but also know now that Sandy Leon's game calling skills are highly overated too. This year proves that with the results. It's mostly random, and he's no better than any other defensive minded catcher out there really.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2019 6:48:13 GMT -5
Yes, give Sandy all the credit when he's catching them well last year. Blame the pitchers when they pitch poorly this year. Whatever. I at least agree that the pitcher's stink this year, but also know now that Sandy Leon's game calling skills are highly overated too. This year proves that with the results. It's mostly random, and he's no better than any other defensive minded catcher out there really. All it proves is that a good defensive catcher with superior pitch calling skills can't work miracles. It doesn't prove that he can't be better than other catchers when a pitcher is pitching well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 24, 2019 6:55:38 GMT -5
That makes zero sense, and literally means nothing, but okay.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 24, 2019 7:06:53 GMT -5
Yes, give Sandy all the credit when he's catching them well last year. Blame the pitchers when they pitch poorly this year. Whatever. I at least agree that the pitcher's stink this year, but also know now that Sandy Leon's game calling skills are highly overated too. This year proves that with the results. It's mostly random, and he's no better than any other defensive minded catcher out there really. All it proves is that a good defensive catcher with superior pitch calling skills can't work miracles. It doesn't prove that he can't be better than other catchers when a pitcher is pitching well.I can prove that 29 other teams don't think he's that much better at it than the catchers they already have...
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 24, 2019 9:11:06 GMT -5
Think Centeno
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 24, 2019 9:29:48 GMT -5
Well, Blake Swihart is 1/1 with 1 RBI for the Diamondbacks.
Meanwhile, Sandy Leon is 0/8 with 1 RBI for the Red Sox.
While Swihart's numbers obviously mean nothing and just a friendly ribbing that in 1 at bat he's been more productive than Leon. Leon on the other hand had an 0.247 OPS before his call up and has proceeded to go hitless thus far. Sandy Leon is literally worse than a pitcher at the plate. While you can "have a black hole" in the lineup, usually said black hole doesn't have an OPS lower than most guy's batting average.
I don't care if Sandy Leon is the Ozzie Smith of game calling. If Max Scherzer is a better hitter than you then you don't belong in a lineup. The pitchers need to figure it out. I'm fairly certain A.J. Pierzynski caught Chris Sale at one point and he's one of the worst defensive catchers of all time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 24, 2019 10:19:32 GMT -5
The irony of this situation is that the Sox didn't want to keep 3 catchers like they did last year. The difference is that Dustin Pedroia was going to take up a roster spot while Nunez and Holt remained as bench guys spelling Pedroia. So the idea of 3 catchers couldn't be done.
Of course, the odds that we see much of Pedroia are limited and the chance that he's remotely what he used to be are even more limited, so the roster spot that they could have kept Swihart with won't even really be used much by Pedroia anyways.
I still think the Swihart move was a panic move. I guess we'll learn st some point how much of a hitter he is, but we'll never know how much of a catcher he can be as it seems like Arizona wants to use him in some sort of super-utility Brock Holt/Ben Zobrist type of role.
The only question I have re: the transaction is did AZ have claiming rights because they were the first team with the worst record to claim him and the Sox had to deal with them or is it a case where there can be multiple claims and the Sox have the choice of what trade they like best among the claiming teams?
In other words was there ever a chance that a team that could have had him catch every day could have claimed him? Or did AZ practically get first dibs?
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Post by dmaineah on Apr 24, 2019 10:29:40 GMT -5
The freaking pitchers have to hit spots and pitch well. It's not like I could go out there and pitch well just because Sandy Leon is catching. If only there was some way to get Pitchers some practice time to get ready before the games counted. Cora could of really used that to help the staff.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 24, 2019 14:22:47 GMT -5
I still think the Swihart move was a panic move. I guess we'll learn st some point how much of a hitter he is, but we'll never know how much of a catcher he can be as it seems like Arizona wants to use him in some sort of super-utility Brock Holt/Ben Zobrist type of role. The only question I have re: the transaction is did AZ have claiming rights because they were the first team with the worst record to claim him and the Sox had to deal with them or is it a case where there can be multiple claims and the Sox have the choice of what trade they like best among the claiming teams? In other words was there ever a chance that a team that could have had him catch every day could have claimed him? Or did AZ practically get first dibs? Swihart never went on waivers, so nobody claimed him. Sox worked out a trade before they had to waiver him. The dfa period is 7 days, waivers takes 48 hours .... So a team has up to 5 days to work out a trade if they choose to use the entire period.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 21, 2019 23:12:39 GMT -5
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