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Keith Law says MiLB teams should pay players
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -5
That is why they get the bonus money! It just proves my point these guys will say I had to live in a car, even when they didn't have to. It was all just to save money. They are like College kids in that regards. You just keep eating it up though. They shouldn't be like college kids. College athletes don't live like that. It's too hard to be a high level athlete. And I love how you jump on this one because it's Torii Hunter while ignoring everything else. Just go look at about 100 pictures on that instagram account to see what minor league life is like. I'm sure that cooking chicken with an iron and reheating disgusting leftovers that weren't refrigerated for 10 hours with a hair dryer and working out in the bathroom because there is nowhere else to work out is just part of the overall dream. I'm jumping on this because it proves there is a lot of BS out there! Young adults do everything they can to save money to spend it on what they want. I did it in College all the time. Frat houses at Umass looked a lot like those pictures, they crammed in as many people as they could. Same thing with off college housing. Like I've said a ton of times I fully support the team providing housing, food, and paying for spring training. For me it comes down to what do they actually work, but the numbers are all over the place and some aren't even close to realistic. If you want to treat them like regular jobs, then the hours need to be based off of only work, like a regular job. Which it sures seems they are including a ton of crap that regular workers don't get paid for. I wish the lawsuit would go forward, we hear both sides and get actual true numbers. Rather than just one side, that clearly has the benefit to use high numbers. I wish I got paid for travel, breaks, and lunch. I'd get another 10 hours per week. So these guys are working 10 hours a day, but have to workout at home? That makes zero sense. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -5
They shouldn't be like college kids. College athletes don't live like that. It's too hard to be a high level athlete. And I love how you jump on this one because it's Torii Hunter while ignoring everything else. Just go look at about 100 pictures on that instagram account to see what minor league life is like. I'm sure that cooking chicken with an iron and reheating disgusting leftovers that weren't refrigerated for 10 hours with a hair dryer and working out in the bathroom because there is nowhere else to work out is just part of the overall dream. I'm jumping on this because it proves there is a lot of BS out there! Young adults do everything they can to save money to spend it on what they want. I did it in College all the time. Frat houses at Umass looked a lot like those pictures, they crammed in as many people as they could. Same thing with off college housing. Like I've said a ton of times I fully support the team providing housing, food, and paying for spring training. For me it comes down to what do they actually work, but the numbers are all over the place and some aren't even close to realistic. If you want to treat them like regular jobs, then the hours need to be based off of only work, like a regular job. Which it sures seems they are including a ton of crap that regular workers don't get paid for. I wish the lawsuit would go forward, we hear both sides and get actual true numbers. Rather than just one side, that clearly has the benefit to use high numbers. I wish I got paid for travel, breaks, and lunch. I'd get another 10 hours per week. So these guys are working 10 hours a day, but have to workout at home? That makes zero sense. I don't know why you're arguing so hard in favor of the owners. Because either the owners or the players get the money, and you're making a ridiculous effort to argue that the owners deserve the money. And it's a minuscule amount of money for the owners and life-changing for the players. It's dumb that we even have to argue whether or not they are being paid minimum wage because they should make more than that. AHL players make about $65K per year. ECHL players make a minimum of $500 a week. MiLB players should be making similar amounts, so that they don't have to decide between the struggle and the dream so we end up with better players in the majors. I'm sure there have been plenty of future MLB players who quit to get real jobs and that is a shame. And besides that, screw the cheap owners. They're playing with a completely rigged economy because they figured out how to buy politicians to make them more money, risk free. They're the ones who can declare bankruptcy and immediately buy as much as they want with 0% interest credit that the rest of us cannot do. Why do you side with them and say screw the players and act happy that they have to live in squalor? |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2018 13:25:05 GMT -5
Anyone who uses their bonus money to live on is a dumbass. Plus half of that money is gone because of taxes. Torii Hunter got a signing bonus of $450k (https://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Hunter/Hunter_bio.html). So, he's supposed to not spend any of it, voluntarily live like a poor person for fun, and we're all supposed to feel sorry for him? The crazy part is that you're using his anecdotal fictional story as a reference but won't accept sworn federal testimony as fact. You know what, you're absolutely correct about everything. Sorry to have wasted your time. Oh so it's fictional? I guess that means you're calling Torii Hunter a liar. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2018 13:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2018 13:30:29 GMT -5
www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/12/19/16797792/minor-league-baseball-president-player-pay-fair-wageCome it at 2, play cards for an hour. Take batting practice for an hour, take an hour off and get something to eat. They complain about long hours, yet come in early? They want to be paid for hour long food breaks, which almost no one that gets paid hourly gets paid for. If you have to be there at 3pm, how in the world are they working 10 hours? What after the game they workout for 5 hours? You have to apply some common sense to this whole thing. Making minimum wage sucks, it truly does, but these guys are greatly inflating the hours they think are work. They are making federal minimum wage. You want to debate that isn't enough, Ok, but stop with they don't get minimum wage and work 70 hours every week. Its just not possible. No team is going to work a player for 5-6 hours before they play a 3 hour game. I don't know how anyway could believe that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2018 13:38:07 GMT -5
Torii Hunter got a signing bonus of $450k (https://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Hunter/Hunter_bio.html). So, he's supposed to not spend any of it, voluntarily live like a poor person for fun, and we're all supposed to feel sorry for him? The crazy part is that you're using his anecdotal fictional story as a reference but won't accept sworn federal testimony as fact. You know what, you're absolutely correct about everything. Sorry to have wasted your time. Oh so it's fictional? I guess that means you're calling Torii Hunter a liar. The article said he did it to save money, not because he had too. Which is what you are acting like. He had so little money he had to live in a car, which isn't true! You acted like Torri Hunter might have walked away from Baseball because he made so little. Yet in 2018 dollars he got $784,000 for a signing bonus. The fictional part is what you made up. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2018 14:43:50 GMT -5
Oh so it's fictional? I guess that means you're calling Torii Hunter a liar. The article said he did it to save money, not because he had too. Which is what you are acting like. He had so little money he had to live in a car, which isn't true! You acted like Torri Hunter might have walked away from Baseball because he made so little. Yet in 2018 dollars he got $784,000 for a signing bonus. The fictional part is what you made up. I didn't make up a story. I copied and pasted a story based on what Torii Hunter said. That money that he got literally had to last him the rest of his life if he didn't make it in baseball. Let's go back and talk about players who got nothing for a signing bonus. I was wrong to bring up someone who didn't because that's such low hanging fruit for you and you can just ignore everything else when I did it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2018 14:44:15 GMT -5
Oh so it's fictional? I guess that means you're calling Torii Hunter a liar. Reality is whatever you say it is. It's your world boss. Torii Hunter said it, not me. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 28, 2018 15:51:38 GMT -5
The reason why America has the best standards in medicine is because they DON'T have universal health care. There's a reason why people from China and India come here to practice medicine. It isn't a higher standard of living because it DOESN'T PROVIDE THE BEST HEALTH CARE. IT JUST PROVIDES HEALTH CARE FOR ALL CITIZENS. No, the reason provides the best standards in health care is because it is the world's richest country and provides those standards for its wealthiest citizens (and foreigners who can afford it). America does NOT have the best health care results globally. We are behind in: infant mortality (@30 out of 40 OECD countries), 26th in Life Expectancy and 37th Globally in overall health care efficiency. It dies not provide health care to all it's citizens unless you say that anyone can go to an EMergency Room, after which if they don't have decent insurance there is a good chance they will be bankrupt. Just recently my wife fell and ended up in the ER (it was 11:30 pm). She was not admitted but had a battery of tests including an EEG and x-rays. We just got the billing through Medicare. The 3 hour stay was billed at over $15,000 - Medicare and our supplemental which we are fortunate enough to be able to afford covered it all paid about$1,000. If we were not on Medicare and had typically crumby insurance we would have been on the hook for thousands, I know this because we had an incident in our pre Medicare days where something of similar severity left us with years of paying off the uninsured portion that our supposedly fair play didn't cover. So if you want to spout your JINGOISTIC ALL CAPS NONSENSE, at least try actual instead of alternative facts to back it up. Mike Trout has been the best player in baseball for the past several years (2nd best this year - MOOKIE!) but the Angels have been mediocre. That's the U.S. healthcare system in a nutshell. Well afford the healthcare, or don't get treated the right way. This is why the law states you need health insurance or you're going to get penalized in your taxes for it. I don't care what the life expectancy is for other countries, of course more people in general can live with cheaper health care that can take care of the bare essentials. The problem occurs if you come down with a heart attack and cancer. There's no other place in the world you would rather be in order to get treated for those things. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 28, 2018 18:54:48 GMT -5
Heart attack, cancer, and reading this thread from start to finish: wouldn't wish them on even my worst enemies.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 28, 2018 19:49:52 GMT -5
Heart attack, cancer, and reading this thread from start to finish: wouldn't wish them on even my worst enemies. I don't wish them on anyone here either, but they're the two top reasons of death in the USA in health related issues. Some of the best in the world to treat these types of diseases are here in Boston too, lucky enough. It's the reality of the situation and why you want to be HERE if you get caught with these types of illnesses/diseases. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2018 23:05:20 GMT -5
The healthcare digression should go into a new thread if you want to continue it. Please also tone down some of the antagonism generally. Thanks.
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