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Red Sox vs. Dodgers 2018 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2018 12:08:42 GMT -5
The Dodgers may have the least sincere fan base in the sport. I think it starts and ends there. You have like 5% of it who actually follows them, and the rest only pretend to care about sports for a few weeks out of the year. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more people watching the game at 3 AM on the east coast than 12 AM on the west coast. Hi nomar. I have to dispute that. Certainly there are fair weather fans buying and wearing all kinds of gear. But hard core Dodger fans here really do bleed blue, from kindergartens to retirement villages, beaches to barrios. I wear my Sox hat all over soCal, all year, and get alot of snark. Usually friendly snark, but constant snark. SoCal is alot like Florida is now, in that lots of people move here carrying allegiance to childhood teams, but this migration has gone on for generations. Even my kids and grand kids have Dodger leanings, as do all of my wife’s large extended family. It really is a tribute to the Dodgers that their fanbase is loyal enough to fill the seats and buy the gear in the face of the Angels, Rams, Chargers, Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Ducks as well as strongly supported Sports teams from UCLA, USC, Long Beach State, etc. in addition to miles and miles of beaches, mountains, deserts with their year round golf courses, tennis clubs, wine countries, breweries and well fused eateries. I'll have to disagree with that one too. I lived in Southern California for 25 years and as an independent contractor, worked in a large variety of companies. There's absolutely no comparing the home fan bases of the Dodgers and Red Sox. Red Sox fans live and breathe Red Sox, SoCal fans think about it when there's nothing else to do.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 12:09:32 GMT -5
To Mr Manfred: I suggest, leading up to the mid-terms, the attempted bombings of a dozen democratic political leaders by white nazionalist(s?) combined combined with increasingly publicized voter suppression efforts across the nation against Democrat people of color, may have suppressed the interest of some in these amazing games. Similarly, the simultaneous arrests of white supremecist group leaders (RAM and Proud Boys) and the white nazionalist terror attack on the PA synagogue may have had an impact on G4. After seeing virtually every pitch of every game from ST onward, it took enormous front of brain concern to steal away time from these WS games. And I know others share this same level of concern. 🙄 unfollow
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 28, 2018 12:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by cba82 on Oct 28, 2018 12:18:53 GMT -5
Sox got the win last nite cuz Eovaldi wore out the LA bullpen in game 3. All the talk bout how Eovaldi's effort was wasted ... He almost won 2 games for Sox It's amazing how much criticism Cora has gotten, especially amongst national writers and commentators, for making decisions to try to win game 3. They think it would have been better if he had just capitulated?
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2018 12:20:53 GMT -5
To Mr Manfred: I suggest, leading up to the mid-terms, the attempted bombings of a dozen democratic political leaders by white nazionalist(s?) combined combined with increasingly publicized voter suppression efforts across the nation against Democrat people of color, may have suppressed the interest of some in these amazing games. Similarly, the simultaneous arrests of white supremecist group leaders (RAM and Proud Boys) and the white nazionalist terror attack on the PA synagogue may have had an impact on G4. After seeing virtually every pitch of every game from ST onward, it took enormous front of brain concern to steal away time from these WS games. And I know others share this same level of concern. Beg to disagree. Sports are an outlet that actually draw people together especially in times of trouble - remember that first pitch in the World Series after 9-11? It was a unifying event that was seen and embraced by hundreds of millions regardless of their politics or whether they even like baseball. People gravitate to sports - in part - to disconnect from other things in their lives, whether that manifests in direct participation in sports or being an ardent, causal or even bandwagon fan. Sports elevate us, and at times crush us, like very few other components of society or life, and the allure and intoxication with sport stretches as far back as the first villages and cities in human history. I've never asked someone's political beliefs here, in a sports bar, at Fenway or at any other sporting venue or event. Their political beliefs are meaningless when it comes to sports. I've played on teams with people whose views I didn't agree with and I had their backs every day and cheered for their success. In fact, I have close friends and family members whose political beliefs differ from mine, in some cases widely. It doesn't matter. They're still my friends, and, well, you're stuck with family but we do OK. But when I was single, I didn't date Yankee fans, even hot ones when I had the chance. I knew that sole choice meant her character was probably deeply flawed and likely irredeemable (only half-kidding here). And I don't fully trust any man in any profession or endeavor who is not a fan of some sport. Like JimEd14 expressed, I've spent less time on the news and events and more time on sports in the last 15 or 16 years, in part because of increasing polarization and politicization, but in part because I have so many other things occupying my life and mind. As much as I grieve for the people of Pittsburgh, Jews and their victimization - and it's really blatant and obvious whenever I've been to Europe, especially Germany, France and the Nordic countries - and any other people who have been vilified and made victims. I pray such acts end and such people who perpetrate them never appear again, and I hope we improve our efforts to prevent these events in the future. But unless I knew someone directly affected or was directly affected by this event, it did not nor would not stop me from gathering with friends and family - like I did last night - to watch the game, or attend a game I had tickets for. If anything I would be looking to immerse myself into it more. Sports elevate life and allow us to do so often with deep, bonding emotions. Look no further than when you meet people who were Soxs fan in 04 and see the immediate smiles and shared emotional bonding and agreement - the shared unity. It happens when you're in a stadium or sports bar and your team has an amazing play or win, especially a big game. You hug and scream and celebrate with complete strangers regardless of race, creed, gender or political beliefs. And not only is absolutely acceptable, its life affirming and normal - all at the same time. Life is short my friend, often harsh and rarely fair. That's why it's so important to live, love, laugh and feel your humanity every chance you get. Sports give us opportunities to do that repeatedly, often with strangers, and reaffirm our lives. It's precisely why people are drawn to them in good times, and especially when times aren't so good. And it's also why you shouldn't date Yankee fans.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 28, 2018 12:21:16 GMT -5
For me, it has made it so I never watch the news anymore ever and watch sports even more. Man, this got heavy. But... true. I follow the news closely, and I feel like I’ve been sick for about two years. The Sox are like an oasis, and so is this board. Arguing about WAR or whatever can actually feel like a model of how discourse should be: it gets heated, but people come with serious evidence and hear out all sides. And we all love the Sox and baseball. Ditto
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2018 12:22:36 GMT -5
Sox got the win last nite cuz Eovaldi wore out the LA bullpen in game 3. All the talk bout how Eovaldi's effort was wasted ... He almost won 2 games for Sox It's amazing how much criticism Cora has gotten, especially amongst national writers and commentators, for making decisions to try to win game 3. They think it would have been better if he had just capitulated? I consider us all international writers here. After all, this is the interwebs.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 28, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
Turning back the clock to old fashioned baseball: Buster Olney Verified account @buster_ESPN ELIAS: David Price started Game 2 on Wednesday and pitched in relief in Game 3 on Friday He will be the first pitcher to start Ws games no more than four days apart while also pitching in relief between those starts since Jack Billingham did so for the Reds against OAK in 1972. Seriously, he’s gonna win MVP tonight. This has just been an amazing year, and I’ve gotta believe the most likely goat turns out to be the real-world hero. That’s how these guys are rolling in 2018.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2018 12:28:58 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2018 12:36:19 GMT -5
It's amazing how much criticism Cora has gotten, especially amongst national writers and commentators, for making decisions to try to win game 3. They think it would have been better if he had just capitulated? I consider us all international writers here. After all, this is the interwebs. I'm international. I consider all the other posters here to be foreign correspondents.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Oct 28, 2018 12:49:35 GMT -5
I went to bed early (I'm old)... but woke up as Boston tried to close it out in the ninth. Sure looked like Kimbrel was gassed. I write this to point out how impressed I was with Devers' play on Machado. When it was hit I figured it wouldn't be fielded cleanly. But it was! Then... it would be too late to get the runner. Nope! What a play by Devers! Someone needs to sit Machado down and 'splain the game. No way he should have clipped the innermost portion of the bag (and Pierce's heel) when he had the entire rest of the base and was running through the base... not rounding the base while headed for second. Machado toiled in obscurity in Baltimore, but this big stage is showcasing what an absolute dirty punk this joker is.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2018 12:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by geostorm on Oct 28, 2018 13:18:33 GMT -5
If there is a chance to lock this down, tonight, AND to tuck one up and in, on this guy, before the last pitch, please
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Post by jimoh on Oct 28, 2018 13:25:44 GMT -5
It wasn't the same kind of situation, and he didn't actually pitch all that well, but has Evaldi's performance been compared to that of Tim Wakefield in Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS against the Yankees? Took a beating to save the bullpen, for the most part, helping to set up the comeback in games 4-7. www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2014/10/15/buried-alive-10-years-ago-in-game-3-the-red-sox-hit-rock-bottom"It was no consolation at the time, but Wakefield’s outing ending up being much more important than garbage time duty. By playing the role of sacrificial lamb, the Sox were able to get the back end of the pen – specifically Mike Timlin, Alan Embree, and Keith Foulke – the rest they needed for the remainer of the series. “We were getting killed,’’ Wakefield said, looking back at Game 3. “And I was thinking about what can I do to help this situation and started discussing it with Doug Mirabelli, who was at the end of the bench with me. It was just one of those situations as a reliever, and I was taught by Phil [Niekro] and Charlie [Hough], to always have your spikes on. Because as a knuckleball pitcher, you’re so versatile that you can start one day and then two days later you can come in in relief, that was the nature of how we threw the ball, it didn’t tax our arms or anything. “So I got up and I went down to Tito and I said, ‘Do you need me to do anything, tonight? You need to go to the bullpen? What do you need to do?’ And he hesitated for a second, and he said, ‘Go ask Derek [Lowe] if he can start tomorrow. And Derek was still on the roster, but he wasn’t slated to do it. He wasn’t in the bullpen. He wasn’t going to be one of our starters. So I went down and I asked Derek, I said ‘D, um, Tito wants to know if you can start tomorrow,’ and he got this big grin on his face and he said, “Yeah,’’ I’m like ‘alright.’ So I ran in and I got my glove and took off for the bullpen, and was at that point obviously I got called into the game, because it was really getting out of hand. And we needed Timlin to pitch tomorrow, because that was the most important part of the bullpen, Timlin, Embree, and Keith Foulke, the last three guys… If the starter could go six, the game was over with at that point. So I went down there and tried to eat up as many innings as possible to go out and save those three guys, because they were pretty worn out from the first three games.’’ Wakefield would last into the seventh inning before being replaced by Embree with two outs."
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 28, 2018 13:57:41 GMT -5
Somebody needs to let Machado know that what he is doing is not ok and if MLB isn't going to do anything about it then the players will and that isn't a good thing for baseball.
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Post by patford on Oct 28, 2018 14:02:49 GMT -5
Sox got the win last nite cuz Eovaldi wore out the LA bullpen in game 3. All the talk bout how Eovaldi's effort was wasted ... He almost won 2 games for Sox It's amazing how much criticism Cora has gotten, especially amongst national writers and commentators, for making decisions to try to win game 3. They think it would have been better if he had just capitulated? The national media is anti-Boston. This might not be obvious if you live in Boston but elsewhere it's pretty easy to see. Aside from ESPN the real clue is local sports radio. While the local radio station supports the home team there is a particular animus towards Boston sports teams. Down here in Tampa broadcasters basically drip with venom at the mention of the Sox, Patriots and Bruins. The Celtics aren't mentioned often because there is no local NBA team.
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Post by jdb on Oct 28, 2018 14:08:04 GMT -5
To Mr Manfred: I suggest, leading up to the mid-terms, the attempted bombings of a dozen democratic political leaders by white nazionalist(s?) combined combined with increasingly publicized voter suppression efforts across the nation against Democrat people of color, may have suppressed the interest of some in these amazing games. Similarly, the simultaneous arrests of white supremecist group leaders (RAM and Proud Boys) and the white nazionalist terror attack on the PA synagogue may have had an impact on G4. After seeing virtually every pitch of every game from ST onward, it took enormous front of brain concern to steal away time from these WS games. And I know others share this same level of concern. Oh good a political post on a sports board. The main reason i come here.
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Post by manfred on Oct 28, 2018 14:22:41 GMT -5
If there is a chance to lock this down, tonight, AND to tuck one up and in, on this guy, before the last pitch, please I’m not an unwritten rules guy for the most part or anything... but Machado actually tries to hurt opponents, which is the gravest sin in any sport. Something has to be done. If MLB won’t police him, if veterans in his clubhouse can’t police him, he might need to meet Joe Kelly again.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2018 14:40:54 GMT -5
Tonight’s umpire Jeff Nelson - excerpt from The Athletic (subscription):
Game 5: Jeff Nelson From 2015 to 2017, Nelson was among the most frequent strike-calling umpires in the majors. But his numbers went in the other direction this season. The strikeout-to-walk ratio in his games was among the lowest in MLB. For a veteran pitcher, this might take time to get used to. Most important tendencies: When a left-handed batter is at the plate, Nelson has shown a wider inside corner than most umpires, but a narrower outside corner (which is what makes him more hitter-friendly). This runs true consistently regardless of pitch height. With right-handed hitters, Nelson is more conservative with his calls on pitches that miss inside. Also noteworthy: In a year in which strike calls on low pitches increased, Nelson doesn’t call pitches at the knees strikes as often as other umpires.
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Post by danredhawk on Oct 28, 2018 14:48:40 GMT -5
If there is a chance to lock this down, tonight, AND to tuck one up and in, on this guy, before the last pitch, please I still want a piece of Turner from his slide into Bogearts. Long to-do list tonight...
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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -5
Just a preemptive reminder— would appreciate if folks could steer clear of profanity. Thanks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 14:54:31 GMT -5
Just a preemptive reminder— would appreciate if folks could steer clear of profanity. Thanks. There’s my f’n wet blanket 😋
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 14:57:00 GMT -5
The best part of last night was the script being flipped on the commentators. All they talked about was how costly a loss game 3 was for the Sox when in reality it cost the Dodgers bullpen not the Red Sox at least for one game.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 28, 2018 15:02:04 GMT -5
There will be plenty of time to bean Machado next season when he's wearing pinstripes (we all know it's going to happen). I'd rather us get back at him by celebrating on his home field.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Oct 28, 2018 15:04:11 GMT -5
I’ve been one of Manny Machado’s most vocal critics. I can’t stand him. I genuinely dislike him. Having said that, I do not want anyone throwing at him tonight. I’d prefer the Sox deal with him in other ways. Slap hard tags on him, slide hard into him (in a way that two times disadvantage the inning), tell him to his face how you think he is a douchebag who degrades the game by his actions on the field.
Do those things but don’t throw at him. Generally I hate throwing at people. I think it’s dangerous, stupid, and screws up the natural flow of a baseball game.
He’s a piece of crap.
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