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Red Sox vs. Dodgers 2018 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 1:23:59 GMT -5
Tweet of the night:
The Associated Press Verified account
BREAKING: Numbers for $1.6 billion Mega Millions are 5, 28, 62, 65, 70 and Mega Ball 5; not immediately clear if there's a winner
WEEI Verified account
WEEI Retweeted The Associated Press Congrats to Alex Cora probably
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Post by incandenza on Oct 24, 2018 1:34:41 GMT -5
Best thing about this game, by far:
Each team's bullpen included the team's 5th starter, a really good lefty. Both entered the game in the 7th inning with the score 5-4, with 2 outs and men on 1st and 2nd. But one guy was brought in after a lefty PH was announced and had the platoon advantage ... except that he himself has a sizeable reverse split. The other guy, who has a big platoon split, was brought in to face a lefty hitter, who was then pinch hit for somewhat predictably ... except that the pinch-hitter had a reverse split.
So E-Rod had a nice platoon advantage (although not nearly as big as you might guess) and Wood had an equivalent platoon disadvantage (same caveat).
Each guy threw just one strike to that first hitter.
Swap the results of those two pitches and the Sox lose 7-5.
It's rare that you see a game come down to two PA that are even roughly similar. This one's either silly or beautiful or both. There was also the weird symmetry of the 5th inning: both starters start the 5th but are taken out before recording an out; runners moving up to 2nd and 3rd on a wild pitch in both halves; a run scoring on a groundount in both halves. The main difference was that when their young lefty came up with two outs, he flied out to right, whereas when our young lefty came up with two outs he hit an RBI single to right.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 1:56:44 GMT -5
The Sox in the post-season have 49 PA with 2 outs and RISP and have hit .395 / .531 / .763. Even without 2 IBB, the OBP is .511.
JBJ alone is 3/6, 2B, 2 HR, 2 BB, and one of the outs was the rocket GDP in tonight's game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2018 2:10:12 GMT -5
If the Sox take Game 2, then it's over really. You basically guaranteed a return trip to Fenway by that point and this team hasn't lost on the road this postseason yet, which is the craziest thing about this world series run.
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Post by rivenp on Oct 24, 2018 3:29:44 GMT -5
The Sox in the post-season have 49 PA with 2 outs and RISP and have hit .395 / .531 / .763. Even without 2 IBB, the OBP is .511.
JBJ alone is 3/6, 2B, 2 HR, 2 BB, and one of the outs was the rocket GDP in tonight's game.
since it was a GDP (meaning only one out at the time)...it doesn't fit the 2 outs / RISP criteria, no?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 4:58:38 GMT -5
I'm guessing we get 6+ innings out of Price tomorrow (tonight).
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 24, 2018 6:31:03 GMT -5
What can possibly account for Chris Sales' physical decline?
If it's an injury, what could be its nature? He's had a long time to recover and he's deemed well enough to pitch. That's curious to the max. Clearly the Sox don't think there is much risk in him further hurting himself....at least thru this s(S)eries. But you don't lose 6-8 mph off the fastball for 3 months for no sound reason. The vague reports of shoulder tightness plus velo drop sound a bit like Thornburg....
If it's health....ulcer? other? He looks wan and very, very thin. I suppose losing 10 lbs. could impact his velocity as skinny as he has been.
One thing I don't buy is that his dropoff is due to a mechanical issue. Such problems don't last this long. He's pitched a lot of years and perfected the delivery. He has top coaches and analytics to detect faults and correct them. This is a smokescreen.
I suspect that the shroud of mystery gets lifted in a big Reveal after the Series.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 6:46:02 GMT -5
Quiet fans ? ? ? ? Serenading Clayton...
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 24, 2018 7:23:25 GMT -5
So do the Red Sox push Eovaldi back to Game 4 after pitching him for an inning last night? I think that would be the right thing to do, however, I wonder if the outcome of tonight's game might influence when they use Eovaldi next.
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Post by geostorm on Oct 24, 2018 7:42:52 GMT -5
Aren't people on the west coast used to working 6-2 or 7-3 because they have to deal with the east coast? lol, said like an easterner... I know this was some good natured "easterner" kidding...
...on a "real" note - I've worked as a "virtual", in benefits management (qualified pension plans), in Eastern time zone, for near 20 years, and we've associates all over the country, that have to do just that - working one of 8-4/8:30-4:30/9-5 EST. For a time, we had a couple of virtual associates in Taiwan, and they had to do same!
I appreciate that I'm also allowed to travel, and not burn vacation time, by being able to work, while on the road, though I'm more limited, working off my laptop and cell phone, instead of my at home two monitors w/ fully functional phone bank...
...recent years, its allowed me to travel to SF; Glendale, AZ; Cypress, TX, able to spend time with Fam/friends, and attend Red Sox road games - most recently - back and forth to Cypress for this ALCS, catching game 4, down there, which made me feel better about my not being able to my Game 6 Game 7 ALCS - and for multiple Patriots regular season and last 2 SB games, working as Jimed represented.
Thrilled & appreciative I've the accommodation to be able to do things like that, catch up with fam/friends, and not burn vacation time, and the associates I've chatted with from different times zones, that have to do that, as their norm, are happy to do so, for the trade off of no commute, and that most of them work in areas where they realize CoL savings, to boot, relative to working out of the relatively high CoL on the northeast.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2018 7:46:50 GMT -5
So do the Red Sox push Eovaldi back to Game 4 after pitching him for an inning last night? I think that would be the right thing to do, however, I wonder if the outcome of tonight's game might influence when they use Eovaldi next. If it was his day to throw then I don't know. There's a good chance that yesterday was going to be Eovaldi and today is Porcello, giving both two days off in between. And this is totally out of the point of the World Series, but there are constant reminders of it - the performances of Eovaldi and Porcello reinforce all the more how ridiculous it is that they bring, like, 12 relievers to the All-Star Game every year. Wouldn't it be way more fun to see like, eight good starters go an inning apiece apiece followed by Kenley Jansen? Much rather get an inning of someone like Carlos Carrasco without the need to pace himself than a second-tier closer who is on the team because saves.
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Post by huskies15 on Oct 24, 2018 8:44:12 GMT -5
What can possibly account for Chris Sales' physical decline? If it's an injury, what could be its nature? He's had a long time to recover and he's deemed well enough to pitch. That's curious to the max. Clearly the Sox don't think there is much risk in him further hurting himself....at least thru this s(S)eries. But you don't lose 6-8 mph off the fastball for 3 months for no sound reason. The vague reports of shoulder tightness plus velo drop sound a bit like Thornburg.... If it's health....ulcer? other? He looks wan and very, very thin. I suppose losing 10 lbs. could impact his velocity as skinny as he has been. One thing I don't buy is that his dropoff is due to a mechanical issue. Such problems don't last this long. He's pitched a lot of years and perfected the delivery. He has top coaches and analytics to detect faults and correct them. This is a smokescreen. I suspect that the shroud of mystery gets lifted in a big Reveal after the Series. I think that it's truly a combination. I think he was hurt, and hasn't been able to get his arm into full strength since. I also think the illness/weight loss is real too. He came out throwing 95-96 through the first two innings and then got tired by the time the 4th came around and was down to 91-93. This suggests stamina being an issue (thus illness and weight loss), but also the fact we didn't see the 98 mph fastball and some control issues suggest his arm strength isn't where it was in July. I'm encouraged that he can hit 96 at all right now, and think that the offseason will be all about getting his full strength back.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2018 9:06:21 GMT -5
Even more amazing. Cora started Devers in part because he wanted Nunez on the bench to face Wood or Urias later in the game in a big spot since all the other RHH were starting. The guy seriously is the best manager ever or at least it seems that way this year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 9:35:10 GMT -5
Best ab by Leon in months Leon silencing the haters. One swing is probably not predictive at all, but it would be hysterically funny if he went on one of his tears. Sorta like Bill Gates winning PowerBall. Buster Olney Verified account @buster_ESPN Exit velocity on Leon's hit: 59.8 mph. Well under the Montana speed limit.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 9:44:47 GMT -5
lol, said like an easterner... I know this was some good natured "easterner" kidding... ...on a "real" note - I've worked as a "virtual", in benefits management (qualified pension plans), in Eastern time zone, for near 20 years, and we've associates all over the country, that have to do just that - working one of 8-4/8:30-4:30/9-5 EST. For a time, we had a couple of virtual associates in Taiwan, and they had to do same! I appreciate that I'm also allowed to travel, and not burn vacation time, by being able to work, while on the road, though I'm more limited, working off my laptop and cell phone, instead of my at home two monitors w/ fully functional phone bank... ...recent years, its allowed me to travel to SF; Glendale, AZ; Cypress, TX, able to spend time with Fam/friends, and attend Red Sox road games - most recently - back and forth to Cypress for this ALCS, catching game 4, down there, which made me feel better about my not being able to my Game 6 Game 7 ALCS - and for multiple Patriots regular season and last 2 SB games, working as Jimed represented.
Thrilled & appreciative I've the accommodation to be able to do things like that, catch up with fam/friends, and not burn vacation time, and the associates I've chatted with from different times zones, that have to do that, as their norm, are happy to do so, for the trade off of no commute, and that most of them work in areas where they realize CoL savings, to boot, relative to working out of the relatively high CoL on the northeast.
Yes but the average fan is not working in a networking across the country job. In California, for example, by far and away, the biggest industry is food. What job in the food industry would care about the East coast time zone ? 2nd biggest, manufacturing, 3rd, electronics. The world doesn't revolve around the East coast just because MLB happens to use the Eastern Time Zone as their standard.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2018 9:50:04 GMT -5
Some interesting facts:
Devers has an RBI in 8 straight postseason starts.
JDM's double was a HR for 62 out of 67 similarly hit balls.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2018 9:53:36 GMT -5
Also of note - Joe Kelly and Craig Kimbrel pitched as well as they have all year last night. I bet Kelly added a few million to his next contract just from that game. http://instagr.am/p/BpTTQzsgZRH
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 9:55:09 GMT -5
The Sox in the post-season have 49 PA with 2 outs and RISP and have hit .395 / .531 / .763. Even without 2 IBB, the OBP is .511.
JBJ alone is 3/6, 2B, 2 HR, 2 BB, and one of the outs was the rocket GDP in tonight's game.
since it was a GDP (meaning only one out at the time)...it doesn't fit the 2 outs / RISP criteria, no?
You are correct! I was looking at last outs of innings and working backwards. I caught the other GDPs, though ...
So the correct line is .405 / .542 / .784, in 48 PA. They've had 64 PA with RISP and less than 2 outs and are only .333 / .453 / .542.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 9:57:39 GMT -5
One swing is probably not predictive at all, but it would be hysterically funny if he went on one of his tears. Sorta like Bill Gates winning PowerBall. Buster Olney Verified account @buster_ESPN Exit velocity on Leon's hit: 59.8 mph. Well under the Montana speed limit. That was his first hit. The second one was 98.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 24, 2018 10:09:14 GMT -5
So do the Red Sox push Eovaldi back to Game 4 after pitching him for an inning last night? I think that would be the right thing to do, however, I wonder if the outcome of tonight's game might influence when they use Eovaldi next. If it was his day to throw then I don't know. There's a good chance that yesterday was going to be Eovaldi and today is Porcello, giving both two days off in between. And this is totally out of the point of the World Series, but there are constant reminders of it - the performances of Eovaldi and Porcello reinforce all the more how ridiculous it is that they bring, like, 12 relievers to the All-Star Game every year. Wouldn't it be way more fun to see like, eight good starters go an inning apiece apiece followed by Kenley Jansen? Much rather get an inning of someone like Carlos Carrasco without the need to pace himself than a second-tier closer who is on the team because saves. I agree with this sentiment. As most here would agree, and even if it’s not universally true anymore, many bullpen arms are still failed starters. Conversely many middle of the pack starters could be lights out relievers. Imagine how hard Eovaldi would throw if he only went one inning.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 24, 2018 10:10:40 GMT -5
Buster Olney Verified account @buster_ESPN Exit velocity on Leon's hit: 59.8 mph. Well under the Montana speed limit. That was his first hit. The second one was 98. So barely under the Montana speed limit
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2018 10:16:36 GMT -5
If it was his day to throw then I don't know. There's a good chance that yesterday was going to be Eovaldi and today is Porcello, giving both two days off in between. And this is totally out of the point of the World Series, but there are constant reminders of it - the performances of Eovaldi and Porcello reinforce all the more how ridiculous it is that they bring, like, 12 relievers to the All-Star Game every year. Wouldn't it be way more fun to see like, eight good starters go an inning apiece apiece followed by Kenley Jansen? Much rather get an inning of someone like Carlos Carrasco without the need to pace himself than a second-tier closer who is on the team because saves. Even if it’s not universally true anymore, many bullpen arms are still failed starters. Conversely many middle of the pack starters could be lights out relievers. Imagine how hard Eovaldi would throw if he only went one inning. Right? In the Red Sox current bullpen, only Kimbrel and Hembree were developed as relievers. For example, everyone could see Matt Barnes being an All-Star closer at least a couple times, right? He could totally end up a closer and put up a first half with 23 saves and a 2.11 ERA. But... he's in the bullpen because he couldn't hang with guys like Porcello and Eovaldi and Rodriguez. And that's not meant to disparage Barnes, who is a very solid major league pitcher. He's just... the idea that he and his ilk make All-Star teams while very solid #2 starters who are indisputably better pitchers do not is crazy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2018 10:22:48 GMT -5
Electrifying win last night.
Kershaw's stuff was really unimpressive while Sale looked good at first. Sale tired out. Maybe he has more stamina next time out?
It was funny because when Devers was up and Dodgers switched from Baez to Wood (credit to Devers being a big enough threat at the plate to compel Dave Roberts to feel forced into the move to switch from Baez to Wood), I wanted Devers to stay up at the plate, even with the platoon disadvantage.
Didn't agree with pinch-hitting Nunez, but what can I do other than disagree. All I could think is I hope he puts on one of his funky swings and hits one off the wall, and sure enough boom, just over the wall. Amazing. Then all I could think of is how many of us wanted Nunez to be DFAd at some point this season.
And I thought about how I was hoping that the Sox would come away with Adrian Beltre, superior defensively, and a bigger threat at the plate, particularly early on in the post-season when Devers really wasn't starting. So of course, Nunez goes deep.
I was kind of confused by Eovaldi pitching the 8th. I still disagree with the move even though Eovaldi mowed them down without any drama. I would have kept in E-Rod. I know he hasn't been sharp, but they need him to be a factor in the series plus the margin of error was a lot larger and even with their left-handed hitters, E-Rod is a starter and should reasonably be able to get them out or get them close enough to Kimbrel anyways.
I was hoping Eovaldi wouldn't pitch and would go in Game 3 with a ton or rest and be lined up perfectly to start a potential Game 7.
Now I wonder what Cora does. Does he push back Eovaldi to Game 4? Or is two days rest considered enough to not hamper his Game 3 start? Eovaldi is the rotation's horse so far. I just hope the outing doesn't affect him the way it seemed to effect Porcello last start.
Ah, he'll probably throw a perfect game, the way Cora's decisions seem to be working out.
Hopefully Price spins another gem and gives them length and Porcello is allowed to rest up for Game 4 - I'd hope and be fresh for his start. Although I suspect if Porcello is spared tonight that he would go Game 3 and be lined up for 7 instead of Eovaldi (not my preference based on how dominating Eovaldi has looked).
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2018 10:27:04 GMT -5
Crowd noise feed for Nunez' home run. I take back what I said about Fenway sounding quiet. It kind of reminds me of one of JD Drew's HRs in the 2007 playoffs to turn from unliked to loved.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 10:33:50 GMT -5
Nunez's was the first PH HR of his career, the first PH HR in a WS game 1 since Kirk Gibson, and just the second pinch-hit 3-run HR in the WS since Bernie Carbo (Bill Bathe, Giants, 1989). No one's ever had a WS PH GS.
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