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Red Sox vs. Dodgers 2018 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by bosox on Oct 24, 2018 22:56:06 GMT -5
Per Kevin Thomas on Twitter @clearthebases Cora said Porcello starts Game 3. Eovaldi? "Nate might go in the eighth inning again (in Game 3)"
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2018 22:58:19 GMT -5
Per Kevin Thomas on Twitter @clearthebases Cora said Porcello starts Game 3. Eovaldi? "Nate might go in the eighth inning again (in Game 3)" Cora has been the executioner all postseason. God have mercy on my soul if I'm on the guillotine and Cora is holding the handle, ready to pull down on the lever.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 24, 2018 22:59:45 GMT -5
You know everything is going just right, when you start thinking about resigning Joe Kelly. The guy has madd himself some money this postseason. If you only got that Kelly all the time.
This is basically the Karma run! Every single player called out has come up big!
I have zero problem starting ERod. I actually like it, Roberts lineups against lefties has a bunch of power bats on the bench.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 24, 2018 23:04:57 GMT -5
Per Kevin Thomas on Twitter @clearthebases Cora said Porcello starts Game 3. Eovaldi? "Nate might go in the eighth inning again (in Game 3)" Cora has been the executioner all postseason. God have mercy on my soul if I'm on the guillotine and Cora is holding the handle, ready to pull down on the lever. At least it’ll be quick and clean/
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Post by dd on Oct 24, 2018 23:08:00 GMT -5
i know how greedy and entitled this sounds as a spoiled Boston fan, but I really really don't want this series to go 5.
JUST DO IT!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 24, 2018 23:12:23 GMT -5
What a joy of a game...a team...a season (so far).
2 wins to go.
Price really excelled facing an all RH batting line up and a few missed ball/strike calls.
Mookie! JD! And our pen rocked!
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Post by incandenza on Oct 24, 2018 23:13:17 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer.
But. Color me confused.
1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter.
Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.)
Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost.
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Post by danredhawk on Oct 24, 2018 23:15:54 GMT -5
This is basically the Karma run! Every single player called out has come up big. All of a sudden, I'm envisioning seven shut-out innings in a surprise game four start by Drew Pomeranz...
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Post by ramireja on Oct 24, 2018 23:37:22 GMT -5
See, I think he goes to Eovaldi for three, Rodriguez for three, and then the righties in the bullpen for three. See if he can play Roberts into overmanaging (which he's been prone to). “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” -Alex Cora opining on postseason pitcher usage, probably I'm only quoting this here because it deserves to be on every page of this thread, and I'm making sure it at least gets to this page.
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Post by geostorm on Oct 24, 2018 23:38:39 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer.But. Color me confused. 1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter. Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.) Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost. unwinding, while watching some postgame segments, and reading through the thread, and paused at this line right here, as I was reflecting on this team's 2018 playoff run, and how the Sox, having already dispatched highly regarded NYY and Astros, are now up 2-0 on the "Dodgers" ...and this scene popped into my head - -
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 23:41:13 GMT -5
Apologies if already pointed out, but ERod has to be starting game 4 or even 3, which I think is f-ing brilliant. Surprised that Smoltz and Buck got to the edge of figuring that out without going all the way. I still think Eovaldi makes the start. If we feel he can't, I'd love to start Eovaldi for 1, go to ERod in the 2nd and they can either leave in the lefties or PH for them and then Brasier, Kelly, Barnes and Kimbrel can mow down their RH hitters in the last four innings or so. Eovaldi as an opener is certainly a possibility. It may well be the plan, in fact. Thing is, E-Rod has a reverse split, but you have to add that to how well Freese vs. Muncy hit LHP, ditto for Pederson versus Taylor (I think Bellinger is in the lineup against either Eovaldi or E-Rod and wouldn't be pinch hit for in either case; he sits just against LHP who are tough on LHB).
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Post by ramireja on Oct 24, 2018 23:45:57 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer. But. Color me confused. 1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter. Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.) Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost. Is it really a downgrade though? Would you have thought that before Eovaldi's two great starts against NYY and HOU, two teams that hit LHP better than RHP? Going into the playoffs, Eovaldi and E-Rod were on pretty equal footing. Without digging too deep, the Dodgers are different than our AL foes and hit RHP better than LHP this year. Putting E-Rod in the starter position and gaining a bullpen arm as good as Eovaldi's seems to make a fair amount of sense. On a sidenote -- thats something that has bothered me about the 'why didn't we add a bullpen arm?' critique. When you add an arm like Eovaldi to the rotation, you know you are either getting his arm in the postseason bullpen or another starter's arm pushed to the bullpen (E-Rod and/or a Steven Wright).
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 24, 2018 23:47:03 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer. But. Color me confused. 1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter. Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.) Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost. I suspect they wanted to rest Barnes and Brasier tonight. It's too late to see how much sense that makes (or, if you prefer, I'm just trusting Cora, who is armed with information we couldn't dream of).
I also think that if Eovaldi is the opener for game 4, he's either the starter for a game 7 (which is very unlikely to happen) on three days rest, or ready to take over for Porcello at the first sign of struggle.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 25, 2018 0:21:15 GMT -5
I've watched that Joe Kelly changeup video about 20 times now and am just amazed at how much that ball moves inside. It actually looks like a screwball. It looks like it starts breaking severely about halfway to the plate. I think the camera moves to create the illusion of an actual break. But his change has often been his second-best pitch. I'm resisting the temptation to look up the average break amd compare it to others ...
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Post by incandenza on Oct 25, 2018 0:23:53 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer. But. Color me confused. 1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter. Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.) Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost. Is it really a downgrade though? Would you have thought that before Eovaldi's two great starts against NYY and HOU, two teams that hit LHP better than RHP? Going into the playoffs, Eovaldi and E-Rod were on pretty equal footing. Without digging too deep, the Dodgers are different than our AL foes and hit RHP better than LHP this year. Putting E-Rod in the starter position and gaining a bullpen arm as good as Eovaldi's seems to make a fair amount of sense. On a sidenote -- thats something that has bothered me about the 'why didn't we add a bullpen arm?' critique. When you add an arm like Eovaldi to the rotation, you know you are either getting his arm in the postseason bullpen or another starter's arm pushed to the bullpen (E-Rod and/or a Steven Wright). Yeah, I liked E-Rod* going into the playoffs. That line was just reflecting my bafflement at how the Sox are using him; if he's good enough to start a World Series game, why was he all but invisible against NY and Houston? I guess it could be a matchup thing, but it still seems a little weird to me... And but if the idea is to use Eovaldi and E-Rod in some combination in game 4, you're still sacrificing some flexibility and margin for error by having used him tonight, where, again, it just didn't seem like an obviously huge upgrade from Barnes. (As for the need to rest Barnes: really? When they just had 4 days off before this series and have a day off tomorrow?) Anyway, I wasn't kidding - I really do trust Cora at this point. I'm just wondering what the calculation could be here. * God I hate typing that nickname. So dumb. If only his real name weren't so boring.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2018 0:24:25 GMT -5
This is funny.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2018 0:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2018 0:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Oct 25, 2018 0:47:52 GMT -5
I wish I could somehow show the Sox' actual postseason bullpen usage to this board 3 months ago as proof that actually, no, the outcome of this season was not going to turn on Heath Hembree's performance after all.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2018 0:48:09 GMT -5
Steve Hewitt steve_hewitt 2h2 hours ago Alex Cora says Rick Porcello will start Game 3 in Los Angeles. He’s unsure if Nathan Eovaldi will start Game 4. Said he could pitch again in Game 3 if they have a chance to go up 3-0.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2018 0:51:10 GMT -5
Daren Willman Verified account @darenw The redsox relievers averaged 98.4 MPH on their fastballs tonight... That's insane. 🔥🔥🔥
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2018 1:45:26 GMT -5
So. I am very pleased. And I have basically forsworn questioning any of Cora's decisions since the Nunez homer. But. Color me confused. 1) Using Eovaldi in this game either limits his innings in game 4 or knocks him out of starting entirely. 2) It has basically knocked him out of starting a potential game 7, though maybe he'd be available for a few innings. I had been thinking it was big for us if he was going to be our game 7 starter. Eric thinks E-Rod'll get a start, which, okay, but that seems like a weird jump from his newly established LOOGY/mop-up role, and sure seems like a downgrade from Eovaldi starting. (Unless he's replacing Porcello, which I wouldn't have minded anyway, but then that would be irrelevant to the Eovaldi decision in any event.) Whatever the machinations are, the big picture is that by using Eovaldi tonight, it seems like you've taken away at least several innings from him later in the series. With a 2-run lead, I just don't see how the upgrade from Barnes to Eovaldi could have been worth that cost. Is it really a downgrade though? Would you have thought that before Eovaldi's two great starts against NYY and HOU, two teams that hit LHP better than RHP? Going into the playoffs, Eovaldi and E-Rod were on pretty equal footing. Without digging too deep, the Dodgers are different than our AL foes and hit RHP better than LHP this year. Putting E-Rod in the starter position and gaining a bullpen arm as good as Eovaldi's seems to make a fair amount of sense. On a sidenote -- thats something that has bothered me about the 'why didn't we add a bullpen arm?' critique. When you add an arm like Eovaldi to the rotation, you know you are either getting his arm in the postseason bullpen or another starter's arm pushed to the bullpen (E-Rod and/or a Steven Wright). As a guy that really wanted a bullpen arm you have a point, but its not like we haven't relied on Kelly, Hembree, Workman, and Erod. They got Eovaldi because they didn't know what was up with Wright and ERod. Its worked out, everyone basically got hot all at the sametime and ERod got healthy. We didn't have any major injuries. Heck though even now your taking a guy that has arguably been your best starter and using him in relief. I get it, it makes sense. Almost must wins games at home because no DH on the road and the lefty thing, but man o man could it back fire also. It just look like a magical run, Cora can't do any wrong. Which is awesome, but man did we get lucky. The bullpen was crap down the stretch and was seen as our biggest weakness. It almost feels like a poker guy going all in needing runner runner for a flush. Then he gets it and start bad mouthing the other player. Everything has gone right, but this is way more luck than DD grand plan.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2018 2:16:35 GMT -5
I wish I could somehow show the Sox' actual postseason bullpen usage to this board 3 months ago as proof that actually, no, the outcome of this season was not going to turn on Heath Hembree's performance after all. I mean, what Cora has been doing in the postseason by using his starters in the 8th inning has been unprecedented. No other manager has done this before. So this was entirely unpredictable. He's lucky that the Sox haven't gone to extra innings or the Sox haven't needed Hembree for much of anything this postseason. Cora has basically ambushed the opponent early and often by using this starter to the bullpen strategy and it has worked. The Sox haven't blown a lead once doing this. They had a bunch of chances to blow it with Kimbrel on the mound, but it didn't happen. The Sox had only one albatross start where they needed to pull their starters before the 4th inning too. This start was one of their 2 losses so far in the postseason. Good fortune is the word you should use when describing the Sox avoiding Hembree in October this year. Remember when the Sox were using Curtis Leskanic in 2004 a BUNCH of times in important spots and games? Yeah, me too.
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Post by rivenp on Oct 25, 2018 2:56:45 GMT -5
if cora uses eovaldi to protect a lead in game 3, might as well just not start him at all and keep him in the bullpen for 4-5-6 in case the sox have a late lead. worst case, the sox never get a lead and you have eovaldi to start game 7 on plenty of rest.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 25, 2018 6:58:19 GMT -5
Ballatendi?
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