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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2018 5:58:25 GMT -5
This wasn't even my trade idea, but I'll bring it up here anyways. It was mentioned in the who do you want thread at some point.
Swihart and mid level prospect for Alex Colome.
Who says no?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 9:49:30 GMT -5
So much of that depends on what your idea of a mid level prospect is? I'd hope Colome is not going to be our closer, but replacing Kelly. I can get behind that. At the same time with so many good relievers on the free agent market that likely take two year deals Colome value has to be rather low. Diaz is the top guy or one of them, yet there are a bunch of guys like Colome. He might be slightly cheaper, but its going to be rather close as he made 5.3 million last year. In this market is Swihart and a mid level prospect really only worth saving a few million? He'd have more value if the market goes crazy and everyone starts getting 3-4 years. I just don't see that though.
So I'd say the Red Sox say no, even if the prospect is a Sam Travis or Chandler Sheppard type guy. Mainly because the market has a ton of very good relievers and hardly any catchers. Given that Seattle has what no catcher, I'd think they'd jump on a Swihart only deal.
Maybe I'm still way too high on Swihart, but I'd still rather see him become our back-up catcher next year. Trade Leon and sign a few AAAA type guys for depth. If you had to trade him given the lack of catchers I'd really try to find a near ready starter with options. Someone like a Beeks, who has question marks, yet also upside.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 14:24:35 GMT -5
So much for this one after he was traded for Omar Narvarez, who is much more proven than Swihart.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2018 15:35:15 GMT -5
Dang, Swihart was a year younger than the White Sox catcher. The Sox should have been all over this one.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 15:53:44 GMT -5
Dang, Swihart was a year younger than the White Sox catcher. The Sox should have been all over this one. Narvaez is a lot more proven than Swihart. He had a 122 wRC+ last year and is a decent defensive catcher.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 16:55:53 GMT -5
He's better defensively and has actually got playing time to develop. Look at the numbers from the minors, 2015 he had 100 wRC+ in A ball, Swihart had a 93 in the majors. Swihart had better numbers in the minors, he just hasn't got a chance due to a deep roster and injuries. He showed last year when he got playing time he was one of the better hitting catchers in the game. I'd still bet on Swiharts upside frankly. That is what Seattle needs, not a player that will be better next year, the guy with the higher upside.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 17:07:09 GMT -5
He's better defensively and has actually got playing time to develop. Look at the numbers from the minors, 2015 he had 100 wRC+ in A ball, Swihart had a 93 in the majors. Swihart had better numbers in the minors, he just hasn't got a chance due to a deep roster and injuries. He showed last year when he got playing time he was one of the better hitting catchers in the game. I'd still bet on Swiharts upside frankly. That is what Seattle needs, not a player that will be better next year, the guy with the higher upside. If Swihart can reach a 122 wRC+ and play plus defense, I'd be ecstatic. Narvaez already did that and still has 4 years of control. That's quite a haul for Colome IMO.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 18:56:43 GMT -5
We'll see, lets be real the White Sox don't think they just traded 4 years of 122 wRC+ and plus defense for Colome. The guy had 19 HRs over 10 seasons and 9 of them came last year. This is a sell high type deal, maybe they are wrong, but they have to think that. Still not a bad deal for Seattle though even if he's closer to 1 bwar than 2 bwar. BTW bwar doesn't come close to thinking he's elite defensively. 202 games -21 DRS, Swihart 121 games -18 DRS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 2, 2018 6:49:01 GMT -5
So as I'm thinking the White Sox trade over, I'm still thinking Alex Colome is still available.
I'm not sure the White Sox believe in their current catching group. In fact, I know they don't.
Their best prospect at catcher is Zack Collins. From every known report out there about Collins, he is a bat first catcher with a good arm. In other words, they really don't know or might be unsure if he's a regular everyday catcher at the big league level.
Maybe the White Sox wanted Colome so they could flip him to a team like the Red Sox in order to get a catcher with higher upside in Blake Swihart.
The White Sox are rebuilding too here. Colome isn't really a part of their future.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2018 13:24:12 GMT -5
Pedro in a way I think you're right. I think they needed a closer and thought he could be a better asset if they aren't good. Giving them three more chances to trade him, two deadlines and next offseason. I would be surprised if they flipped him before the season though.
Do you really like Colome better than guys on the free agent market?
What makes perfect sense if you feel you have to move Swihart, which I hope isn't the case. Is too guy after guys deep in that very deep system. Example Kodi Medeiros and Jimmy Lambert, rated 19th and 21st in their system. Gives you a lefty high upside guy and righty lower ceiling guy. Both are in AA and have all their options remaining. That's the type of deal I would make if I was DD. That can make sense for both teams.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 2, 2018 14:40:00 GMT -5
I just think Colome is one of the cheapest options you can find with 2 years of control and he's just a solid reliever. Nothing special, but a solid 7th inning option on a championship contender.
Colome might cost you what, 9-10 million the next two years total?
Safest value bet out there. He's 29 and in his prime.
Swihart just needs to play somewhere. He's a waste of a roster spot here at this point. They refuse to start him at catcher with Leon and Vazquez here if both catchers are healthy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2018 15:34:10 GMT -5
Yea Pedro thats where you seem to be slightly off. Colome made 5.3 million last year. I'm no arbitration expert, but his two year total is likely to be closer to double what you think. Which is going to make him crazy close to the many free agents. There's just no way he's making like 4 and 6 million the next two years after making 5.3 million last year. If I had to guess he's in the 7-8 million range this season and 9-10 million next year, heck maybe slightly more as the last year can have a big jump. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/mlb-arbitration-salaries-2019.htmlThey have him at 7.3 million for next year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 2, 2018 16:25:54 GMT -5
Ohh wow, I didn't think he made that much. Still I'd take it for a 29 year old on a two year deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 18, 2018 13:39:57 GMT -5
The White Sox are trying to contend. Their division was trash before the Indians started tearing things down, so why not give it a run? They've got a decent set of guys near-ready too. If they can somehow land Harper or Machado, they'd be in business.
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Post by jfbryant91 on Jul 18, 2019 12:36:07 GMT -5
Since we still need a closer, and the White Sox are decidedly out of the playoff race, let's revisit this thread.
No more Blake Swihart, so I'll throw this idea out there:
Travis Lakins and Ryan Fitzgerald for Alex Colome. Who says no?
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 18, 2019 14:01:02 GMT -5
The White Sox say no
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Post by telson13 on Jul 19, 2019 2:12:42 GMT -5
Yup, probably. He’s also WAY too expensive. Chicago’s been really disappointing this year, Moncada and Giolito aside, but they’ve got some pieces. I don’t like Colome’s peripherals, either. I don’t think he helps Boston much, even if Chicago took on his whole salary. There are better options out there.
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