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The past is never dead: gambling & racism
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 27, 2018 17:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks to degenerate gamblers Manfred no longer cares about the pace of play
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2018 18:55:19 GMT -5
Thanks to degenerate gamblers Manfred no longer cares about the pace of play Money talks. Gambling is a big industry and I'm pretty sure the generate gamblers had a far bigger impact. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 27, 2018 19:38:43 GMT -5
Thanks to degenerate gamblers Manfred no longer cares about the pace of play This is the weirdest backhanded compliment to give your own sport... |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2018 20:08:52 GMT -5
The PRIMARY reason we get pitching probables is because of sports betting and is why MLB pretty much demands it of clubs. Otherwise it would be wiser for a team to keep their opponent guessing who will pitch.
Most "high rollers" place their bets with either "named pitcher" or "named pitchers". If the named pitcher (or pitchers) don't at least throw the first pitch, the bet is cancelled and money refunded.
For example, If I bet the Red Sox over the Yankees in a Sale/Sabathia matchup and selected "named pitcher", the bet would only be official if Sale threw the first pitch for the Sox. If I "named pitchers", both pitchers would have had to start. If I don't specify either, the bet is official no matter who starts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2018 20:30:42 GMT -5
Sports betting is pretty sophisticated. For major events, the casinos arbitrage between themselves so that gamblers can't put themselves in can't lose situations. Similar to how currencies are traded worldwide.
I was in Vegas during the Tyson/Douglas heavyweight title bout went down. That's the only time I've seen a proposition taken off the boards. Douglas started as about a 40-1 underdog but the odds kept rising, almost everyone was betting Tyson. The odds got to 100-1 then they stopped taking bets. Vegas always attempts to set the odds such that there's equal payout no matter who wins because in that case, they can't lose. In this case, they got to the maximum loss they were willing to take. Douglas won but Vegas was the huge winner. I didn't have a bet down by the way, I've never bet boxing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2018 21:18:49 GMT -5
Right on queue: (I'm guessing this should be split into a separate thread now)
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Post by libertine on Nov 27, 2018 22:42:05 GMT -5
Kennesaw Landis is rolling over in his grave...
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 27, 2018 22:43:13 GMT -5
Kennesaw Landis is rolling over in his grave... Meh, he's been rolling over since 1947. |
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Post by libertine on Nov 27, 2018 22:49:48 GMT -5
Kennesaw Landis is rolling over in his grave... Meh, he's been rolling over since 1947. Yeah, well, there was that aspect to him too. He was one of many from that era. Never a big fan of his (or Cobb, who was another overt racist) but Landis did address a big problem for the game in the teens. That, and only that, I give him credit for.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 27, 2018 22:50:22 GMT -5
Kennesaw Landis is rolling over in his grave... They could give Pete Rose an ambassador role. |
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Post by libertine on Nov 27, 2018 22:53:36 GMT -5
Kennesaw Landis is rolling over in his grave... They could give Pete Rose an ambassador role. Well with this move they should at least reinstate him now. If they are consorting with MGM now what is the problem with what Rose did? |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 27, 2018 23:26:21 GMT -5
They could give Pete Rose an ambassador role. Well with this move they should at least reinstate him now. If they are consorting with MGM now what is the problem with what Rose did? He never apologized. That was always the only issue. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2018 0:03:16 GMT -5
Meh, he's been rolling over since 1947. Yeah, well, there was that aspect to him too. He was one of many from that era. Never a big fan of his (or Cobb, who was another overt racist) but Landis did address a big problem for the game in the teens. That, and only that, I give him credit for.
Except that Cobb might not have been racist. Al Stump apparently did a hatchet job on Cobb and was to put it kindly, not an honest or honorable man. The movie Cobb might have done a real disservice to Cobb really was. Cobb was actually a supporter of baseball being integrated. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 28, 2018 0:55:37 GMT -5
Willie Mays took a job with a casino but it wasn't gambling related.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 29, 2018 16:09:11 GMT -5
Yeah, well, there was that aspect to him too. He was one of many from that era. Never a big fan of his (or Cobb, who was another overt racist) but Landis did address a big problem for the game in the teens. That, and only that, I give him credit for.
Al Stump apparently did a hatchet job on Cobb and was to put it kindly, not an honest or honorable man. The movie Cobb might have done a real disservice to Cobb really was. Cobb was actually a supporter of baseball being integrated. Ty Cobb was a white man born in rural Georgia in 1886. Understand that when his racism is debated, we are only debating if he was somewhat more or somewhat less racist than his peers. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 29, 2018 20:47:57 GMT -5
Yeah, well, there was that aspect to him too. He was one of many from that era. Never a big fan of his (or Cobb, who was another overt racist) but Landis did address a big problem for the game in the teens. That, and only that, I give him credit for.
Except that Cobb might not have been racist. Al Stump apparently did a hatchet job on Cobb and was to put it kindly, not an honest or honorable man. The movie Cobb might have done a real disservice to Cobb really was. Cobb was actually a supporter of baseball being integrated. You can decide for yourself how to classify Cobb. This is from the Smithsonian and its professional historians. www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-knife-in-ty-cobbs-back-65618032/ |
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Post by hammerhead on Nov 30, 2018 1:50:14 GMT -5
yeah, I don't want to sign Cobb either. Racism or not , his peripherals were crap the last couple years. His exit velocity and bat speed aren't even league average. I think he's probably degressed more than the average stiff.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2018 5:44:00 GMT -5
yeah, I don't want to sign Cobb either. Racism or not , his peripherals were crap the last couple years. His exit velocity and bat speed aren't even league average. I think he's probably degressed more than the average stiff. Which Cobb are you talking about? Alex Cobb? I thought the conversation was about Ty Cobb? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2018 10:13:35 GMT -5
Except that Cobb might not have been racist. Al Stump apparently did a hatchet job on Cobb and was to put it kindly, not an honest or honorable man. The movie Cobb might have done a real disservice to Cobb really was. Cobb was actually a supporter of baseball being integrated. Ty Cobb was a white man born in rural Georgia in 1886. Understand that when his racism is debated, we are only debating if he was somewhat more or somewhat less racist than his peers. When you look at the context of where and when he lived I don't think you can say everyone was racist. That only happens if you base it off of todays context and that makes zero sense. Your either a racist in your time period or you're not. A guy that isn't considered a racist today, can't become one in 100 years because of a cultral change. I'm just talking in general, I have no opinion on Cobb haven't done any research on him. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 10:18:12 GMT -5
I hate judging people in the past using modern standards, as if everyone doing the judging has moral superiority over those in the past. If only they could have been transported to the future to learn the mistakes of their ways, they could have been just as morally perfect as those doing the judging. I mean gay slurs were pretty much part of the english language less than 20 years ago. Those despicable english speaking people from 20 years ago, don't they know what they did is so wrong?
All that can be done is to learn, change and move on.
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2018 15:28:52 GMT -5
Ty Cobb was a white man born in rural Georgia in 1886. Understand that when his racism is debated, we are only debating if he was somewhat more or somewhat less racist than his peers. When you look at the context of where and when he lived I don't think you can say everyone was racist. That only happens if you base it off of todays context and that makes zero sense. Your either a racist in your time period or you're not. A guy that isn't considered a racist today, can't become one in 100 years because of a cultral change. I'm just talking in general, I have no opinion on Cobb haven't done any research on him. When I grew up in the 40âs and 50âs, virtually everyone everywhere would he considered racists today. Virtually everyone. The terms Mick, Harp, Paddy (as in wagon), Guinney, Wop, Dago, Sheenie, Kiké, Frog, Polock, Spic, Chink, Slant eyes, Gook, Round eyes, Honkie were almost as common as hello and goodbye. And this doesnât even list the most offensive words and phrases, or those used against Blacks, Mexicans ... or the LGBTQ communities. And, no, it wasnât whites who uniquely specialized in racism. It was normal, day to day conversation in every insulated tribe against every other insulated tribe; and few saw it as racism or bias, even the popular phrase ânot in my neighborhoodâ. The transition from those tribal attitudes to todayâs drive for inclusivity and equality was long and, I can attest, often bloody and violent. Thank God itâs over, though the 2018 voter suppression techniques against Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans, among other recent events, would challenge that statement. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 30, 2018 17:52:21 GMT -5
Ty Cobb was a white man born in rural Georgia in 1886. Understand that when his racism is debated, we are only debating if he was somewhat more or somewhat less racist than his peers. When you look at the context of where and when he lived I don't think you can say everyone was racist. That only happens if you base it off of todays context and that makes zero sense. Your either a racist in your time period or you're not. A guy that isn't considered a racist today, can't become one in 100 years because of a cultral change. I'm just talking in general, I have no opinion on Cobb haven't done any research on him. We're well off topic here but just for the record, this is like saying cigarettes were healthy back in the 50s. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2018 18:20:19 GMT -5
Dude, look at the thread. Lol, yeah got derailed again because of some argument with Ty Cobb, a player who's been dead for almost a 100 years. Awesome. Lol |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 30, 2018 18:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 30, 2018 19:00:24 GMT -5
Nothing has really changed except people think they aren't racist because they no longer use verbal race tags. If you don't believe Mass is the least integrated state try internet searching any city in the state and look at the city officials names, both elected and appointed. Does that look like integration to you ? Now try that for other states.
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