2019 Patriots Offseason Thread

Tell me if I'm wrong but I have Pratt playing 185 snaps at safety, I have Tranquil playing 768 snaps. That like 10% vs 35% of their total production. Across the board Tranquil is the better guy in Coverage, he has those good 3 cone times and 20 yard shuttle to back it up, that Pratt didn't run. Pratt on the other hand is really good against the run. Walter Football has Pratts best tools as a sideline to sideline tackler, which given that chart makes sense. I don't see a sub package LB in Pratt, I see a run stuffer that might be ok enough to play on passing downs. It's why I asked your plan, because I don't see Bill taking a Sub guy in the 2nd round and his best traits match Bentley's best traits as a run stuffer. Does Pratt play special teams? Is he big enough for our system to play OLB? You gotta have a plan to make him a starter if he's a second round pick.

I mean those are the questions we can only speculate on. I like his profile. Sub packages play more than base packages so I can see a guy like him playing a lot. He was a backup free safety his freshman and sophomore years then red shirted due to injury and converted to linebacker. I’ll take a sideline to sideline backer who can cover tight ends and running backs all day long at the end of the second round. Let’s see what Pratt’s numbers look like at his pro day. I agree Tranquill looks a bit better in coverage - i really don’t care about number of games played at safety as a measure of that tho - just found it interesting they were both converted safeties.

And yes he can play special teams. He did at NC State anyways.

I’m not a fan of Bennett off the field for many reasons but my understanding of the indictment is he knocked over a person who was elderly and handicapped while rushing the field to get to his brother after they won the Super Bowl... not saying any of it is right but at this point it would be disingenuous of us to paint him as a guy who hits the elderly or handicapped.

This could also happen with Flowers. The cost of winning, your guys get overvalued around the league. This is why I really want to draft one or two linemen fairly high this year. They need to keep a dominant line and there’s already a question at left tackle (high hopes Wynn will be fine but you never know. Even if Wynn is great we need a really good swing tackle to back up, especially Cannon who missed a lot of time. On top of it, we need Thuney’s replacement ready to go as he’s about to get paid next year and they aren’t going to pay 2 guards top of the market deals. Also, Andrews discounted deal is up.

The likely final tally (until the pick is made) on the Brown trade is:

2018 3rd round pick for:

- 1 great year from Trent Brown
- Ja’Whaun Bentley
- 2020 3rd round pick

I think Flowers is 100% gone unless he wants to be here and not take the best deal. Which maybe the case, but I won't count on it. Projections were low on Brown, he got like an extra 6 million total and guaranteed. Flowers was at 5 years 85 million, 35 million guaranteed last I looked. You just can't fit that on the team with Bennett now, unless he takes some stupid deal with Crazy high 4th and 5th year numbers that will get him released. Like try starting those numbers at 10 million, you get a 30 million cap number his final year, which is beyond crazy for a non QB.

Don't the Patriots mostly take OG and play them year one? Like they love to take OT a year early, but who was the last high pick OG they took and didn't play year one? You only get 4 years and you'd waste a year of that having him not play. You never know with the Patriots, but that has been a pattern. They love taking some lower round guys for depth, but not high guys. Which is why I targeted Bars. I'd say the one exception might be a guy who can be an OG/C. As Andrews is OK, but nothing special and they almost took a center a few drafts ago.

OT I'm torn on. The need is certainly there, but do you bring in another guy that will be a rookie with a high pick? I guess it all depends on who's there and the value. At the same time I wonder if they sign or trade for a Veteran so they don't have two rookies. This is why the Patriots are so hard to predict every year they have what seem like big needs and don't pick guys in the draft. Like they've needed WRs, Safeties, and TE help for years or so it seemed. They needed a LB, took one in the 5th round. We were all thinking 1st and 2nd. It's why I'm half crazy even trying to figure this crap out, watch they'll take an OT and OG with their first two picks haha.

When I say high, I mean top 4 rounds. Just to clarify. I think an OT/G... that’s why you like Bars and I identified Scharping so we are petty much in agreement there. The guard I had was William Sweet who’s and other guard tackle guy but projected late 6th 7th round. Just want more depth to develop there for backup plans. But you’re right they are hard to predict.


I think you might under-rate Andrews a bit but maybe I’m just misreading you. He’s definitely not “great”, but he’s very good. Graded as the 7th best center last year and I believe was top 10 the year before too. He fits the team very well too... hopefully the rest of the league doesn’t value him that highly due to his lack of dominant qualities and we can keep getting strong production from him at very reasonable cap hits. That’s key to a good line finding one or 2 guys like that.

Sounds like it's a multi-year deal for $16-17M per, so that's pretty freaking insane depending on how much is guaranteed.

Yea I don't think he's that good. I think that's having maybe the best pair of guards in the NFL next to him. I only think Mason is elite, the rest of the line gets upgraded because of its overall strength. No weak links and years playing together. I like Thuney, but I'm not paying him top guard money, he's a 3rd or 4th round comp pick walking. Shaq Mason is just nasty, worth every dime he got.

Houston won’t count against comp pick formula, longer he’s out there the better the chances.

Tennessee signed Adam Humphries. Per Dianna Russini, they outbid the Pats.

Raiders spending money. Now they are signing LaMarcus Joyner