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Post by Addam603 on Jan 16, 2019 23:53:26 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline is revealing their top ten lists for each position, leading up to their top 100 next Saturday. m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=rhpRHP: former Sox pitcher Michael Kopech is #3 m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=lhpLHP: former Sox pitcher Logan Allen is #8 (Padres have 4(!!) of the top ten lefties in the minors) m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=cI was kind of hoping that Darwinzon would sneak into the back end of that LHP list, but he’s probably still outside the top 100 right now. I think if he keeps trending up, he’ll crack the top 100 by mid season. As for the rest of the top ten lists, Chavis will be on the 3B and Casas on 1B, but that’ll probably be it for the Sox. Sad to see.
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Post by gerry on Jan 17, 2019 5:02:16 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline is revealing their top ten lists for each position, leading up to their top 100 next Saturday. m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=rhpRHP: former Sox pitcher Michael Kopech is #3 m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=lhpLHP: former Sox pitcher Logan Allen is #8 (Padres have 4(!!) of the top ten lefties in the minors) m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=cI was kind of hoping that Darwinzon would sneak into the back end of that LHP list, but he’s probably still outside the top 100 right now. I think if he keeps trending up, he’ll crack the top 100 by mid season. As for the rest of the top ten lists, Chavis will be on the 3B and Casas on 1B, but that’ll probably be it for the Sox. Sad to see. Meanwhile, thank you Michael Kopech and Logan Allen for your part in the Sox winning at the least 3 Divison flags, the AL Pennant and WS. I feel better about those trades now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 17, 2019 5:07:56 GMT -5
Kopech's Tommy John hasn't affected his prospect status at all?
We won't see him until 2020 at the very least.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 17, 2019 11:44:59 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline is revealing their top ten lists for each position, leading up to their top 100 next Saturday. m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=rhpRHP: former Sox pitcher Michael Kopech is #3 m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=lhpLHP: former Sox pitcher Logan Allen is #8 (Padres have 4(!!) of the top ten lefties in the minors) m.mlb.com/prospects/2019/?list=cI was kind of hoping that Darwinzon would sneak into the back end of that LHP list, but he’s probably still outside the top 100 right now. I think if he keeps trending up, he’ll crack the top 100 by mid season. As for the rest of the top ten lists, Chavis will be on the 3B and Casas on 1B, but that’ll probably be it for the Sox. Sad to see. I don't know if either is all that certain. Chavis was the 8th-ranked 3B in the last update to MLB Pipeline's top 100 list, so maybe on him. As for Casas, it's always tough to guess that list as it'll be mostly non-top 100 guys (McKay and Alonso will top it, but outside of them, who knows?), but they do list him as a 1B/3B, so maybe. It's interesting, but looking at Fangraphs' "The Board", Casas and Chavis are the only 45 1Bs, behind only Alonso as the only 50. I was also wondering if Darwinzon would sneak onto the LHP list, but it's a deeper group than usual in that all 10 will probably be top 100 guys. Kopech's Tommy John hasn't affected his prospect status at all? We won't see him until 2020 at the very least. I think it did affect his status in that it dropped him to 3. He may or may not have been in front of Whitley, but he likely would've been ahead of Mize. He's MLB-ready, so it's less of an issue than it is for a guy like Groome in A ball.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 17, 2019 18:56:03 GMT -5
Casas was also 8 on the list, but for 1B. I don’t think he would have dropped more than a couple spots. People are pretty high on him. I don’t know anything about any other 1B, so I don’t know if anyone else is rising or dropping. But either way, the only two possibilities are Chavis and Casas. Nothing set in stone, but I’d put money on them being on the list. Hopefully there’s someone else on the next list that comes out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 18, 2019 16:16:21 GMT -5
Casas was also 8 on the list, but for 1B. I don’t think he would have dropped more than a couple spots. People are pretty high on him. I don’t know anything about any other 1B, so I don’t know if anyone else is rising or dropping. But either way, the only two possibilities are Chavis and Casas. Nothing set in stone, but I’d put money on them being on the list. Hopefully there’s someone else on the next list that comes out. Like I said above, 1B only ever has a few guys at most ranked in the top 100. Casas won't be on there. Chavis is likely being considered a 3B. Sox won't have any 2B, SS, or OF.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 18, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -5
Casas was also 8 on the list, but for 1B. I don’t think he would have dropped more than a couple spots. People are pretty high on him. I don’t know anything about any other 1B, so I don’t know if anyone else is rising or dropping. But either way, the only two possibilities are Chavis and Casas. Nothing set in stone, but I’d put money on them being on the list. Hopefully there’s someone else on the next list that comes out. Like I said above, 1B only ever has a few guys at most ranked in the top 100. Casas won't be on there. Chavis is likely being considered a 3B. Sox won't have any 2B, SS, or OF. Yeah, I understand being on the top 10 list for a position doesn’t mean you’re top 100. To your point, only the top 2 1B last year made the top 100 list. Casas isn’t close to cracking the top 100. But he did jump from #8 to #7 on the 1B list.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 23, 2019 12:09:00 GMT -5
www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/46653/2019-prospects-the-top-101/BP is out with their Top 101. Chavis did not make their list, so the Red Sox don't have anyone. Kopech (#24) and Logan Allen (#84) are there for traded guys. But before we get to the doom and gloom, it might be worth pointing out that the Yankees only have two guys, neither in the top 60. Loaisiga (#64) and Florial (#66) are a decent top 2, but it's not like the Yankees are going to have a ton more to go outside the organization to pick up impact players. And I'm not positive Loaisiga is that much a better bet to contribute in 2019 than Chavis is, though I'm probably in the minority on that opinion. Some other random (not necessarily Red Sox-centric) thoughts. -I'm going to have to pay more attention to Adell this year. He's obviously gotten a ton of buzz, but I just don't know a ton about him. -Keston Hiura is like the perfect-world projection of what we (I) hoped Kolbrin Vitek would be almost a decade ago. Decent athlete without an obvious position, but the hit tool is so exemplary that nothing else even matters. -Wander Franco may be #1 at this time next year. -Casey Mize at #36 is too low. -How in the world is Alex Reyes still prospect eligible? (That's rhetorical, please don't @ me). -Honeywell ahead of Kopech, where Honeywell has already started throwing again and seems on the path back, is odd to me. It's possible that the thinking that Kopech's velocity will make him a best-in-baseball type reliever even if he doesn't come all the way back, which limits his downside some. I don't know. -The Padres have nine guys on here, and three in the top 20. And Anderson Espinoza isn't even one of them. Espinoza might be Boston's #3 prospect today.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 30, 2019 18:19:09 GMT -5
Don't have a subscription to insider either but here it is to all that does. I'm guessing no Red Sox prospects made the list-
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 30, 2019 18:25:43 GMT -5
Don't have a subscription to insider either but here it is to all that does. I'm guessing no Red Sox prospects made the list- You are correct.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 30, 2019 18:29:04 GMT -5
Tatis over Vlad Jr. is pretty bold.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 30, 2019 20:28:58 GMT -5
Tatis over Vlad Jr. is pretty bold. Yeah I've never seen a more for sure HOF prospect than Vlad Guerrero Jr. If that kid stays healthy, then he's going to destroy the league. He's at least 20 pounds heavier then his dad was when Vlad Sr. came into the league. Nothing against Tatis, but Vlad Jr is as much of a sure thing I think out there.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 30, 2019 22:46:28 GMT -5
Tatis over Vlad Jr. is pretty bold. Defense counts too though. Also, I feel like it should be a bigger deal that their dads were teammates for three years. This is like if, in 2038, the two best prospects in baseball are Markus Betts Jr. and Sandy Leon Jr.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 30, 2019 23:06:43 GMT -5
Tatis over Vlad Jr. is pretty bold. Defense counts too though. Also, I feel like it should be a bigger deal that their dads were teammates for three years. This is like if, in 2038, the two best prospects in baseball are Markus Betts Jr. and Sandy Leon Jr. Defense is very important. But when you’re talking a guy with 80 grade on his hit tool and plus-plus power, I take him 100% of the time even if I have to stick him at DH every game. I didn’t even know that thing about their dads. Cool bit.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 31, 2019 0:18:57 GMT -5
Defense counts too though. Also, I feel like it should be a bigger deal that their dads were teammates for three years. This is like if, in 2038, the two best prospects in baseball are Markus Betts Jr. and Sandy Leon Jr. Defense is very important. But when you’re talking a guy with 80 grade on his hit tool and plus-plus power, I take him 100% of the time even if I have to stick him at DH every game. I didn’t even know that thing about their dads. Cool bit. I dunno. If you were to ask me who would make more All-Star teams, I'd say Vlad Jr., because 40-homer dudes will (and should) always be All-Stars. If you're going to ask me who is more like to end up with a 50+ WAR career, though? I dunno. Tatis is going to create so much value defensively even if he has a down year at the plate. And I get what you're saying about Vlad being easier to project at this point: I'd be really shocked if he were a bust, whereas I could see Tatis ending up having a flaw in his offensive game that hasn't been exposed yet. If you twist my arm to pick one I would probably have Vlad first, but I don't think Law is crazy for flipping them. EDIT: I feel like BPro throwing Adell ahead of Tatis is bolder than putting Tatis ahead of Vlad.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 1:37:48 GMT -5
Defense is very important. But when you’re talking a guy with 80 grade on his hit tool and plus-plus power, I take him 100% of the time even if I have to stick him at DH every game. I didn’t even know that thing about their dads. Cool bit. I dunno. If you were to ask me who would make more All-Star teams, I'd say Vlad Jr., because 40-homer dudes will (and should) always be All-Stars. If you're going to ask me who is more like to end up with a 50+ WAR career, though? I dunno. Tatis is going to create so much value defensively even if he has a down year at the plate. And I get what you're saying about Vlad being easier to project at this point: I'd be really shocked if he were a bust, whereas I could see Tatis ending up having a flaw in his offensive game that hasn't been exposed yet. If you twist my arm to pick one I would probably have Vlad first, but I don't think Law is crazy for flipping them. EDIT: I feel like BPro throwing Adell ahead of Tatis is bolder than putting Tatis ahead of Vlad. Couldn't the worst case scenario for Tatis is that he turns into Jose Iglesias though? Iglesias is like a 1-2 WAR per year player. The bat you're describing is a 4-5 WAR a year player with Vlad. His defense has to really be bad to bring it down to a 2-3 WAR per year player. If he stinks that bad (on defense), then it'll be either 1rst base or DH for him like Addam said. That bat is like a JD Martinez, Manny, or like his dad, Vlad Sr. Great hit tools and power are almost rarer than ACES. Not trying to be subjective, but what do you or anyone has to say about a comparison to Tatis to say a Jose Iglesias?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 31, 2019 10:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 31, 2019 10:58:36 GMT -5
I dunno. If you were to ask me who would make more All-Star teams, I'd say Vlad Jr., because 40-homer dudes will (and should) always be All-Stars. If you're going to ask me who is more like to end up with a 50+ WAR career, though? I dunno. Tatis is going to create so much value defensively even if he has a down year at the plate. And I get what you're saying about Vlad being easier to project at this point: I'd be really shocked if he were a bust, whereas I could see Tatis ending up having a flaw in his offensive game that hasn't been exposed yet. If you twist my arm to pick one I would probably have Vlad first, but I don't think Law is crazy for flipping them. EDIT: I feel like BPro throwing Adell ahead of Tatis is bolder than putting Tatis ahead of Vlad. Couldn't the worst case scenario for Tatis is that he turns into Jose Iglesias though? Iglesias is like a 1-2 WAR per year player. The bat you're describing is a 4-5 WAR a year player with Vlad. His defense has to really be bad to bring it down to a 2-3 WAR per year player. If he stinks that bad (on defense), then it'll be either 1rst base or DH for him like Addam said. That bat is like a JD Martinez, Manny, or like his dad, Vlad Sr. Great hit tools and power are almost rarer than ACES. Not trying to be subjective, but what do you or anyone has to say about a comparison to Tatis to say a Jose Iglesias? Tatis drives the ball in a way Iglesias doesn't. Iglesias wasn't about to put up a .221 Iso in Double-A. It's very hard for me to see Tatis ending up a sub-.400 SLG guy. More likely that if things go "wrong," its because he strikes out too much and struggles to keep his average high enough to be an impact bat. But even something like .235/.310/.440 with excellent shortstop defense is what, a 3.5 win player. With an upside of something like "Carlos Correa meets GG-caliber defense."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 11:14:11 GMT -5
Couldn't the worst case scenario for Tatis is that he turns into Jose Iglesias though? Iglesias is like a 1-2 WAR per year player. The bat you're describing is a 4-5 WAR a year player with Vlad. His defense has to really be bad to bring it down to a 2-3 WAR per year player. If he stinks that bad (on defense), then it'll be either 1rst base or DH for him like Addam said. That bat is like a JD Martinez, Manny, or like his dad, Vlad Sr. Great hit tools and power are almost rarer than ACES. Not trying to be subjective, but what do you or anyone has to say about a comparison to Tatis to say a Jose Iglesias? Tatis drives the ball in a way Iglesias doesn't. Iglesias wasn't about to put up a .221 Iso in Double-A. It's very hard for me to see Tatis ending up a sub-.400 SLG guy. More likely that if things go "wrong," its because he strikes out too much and struggles to keep his average high enough to be an impact bat. But even something like .235/.310/.440 with excellent shortstop defense is what, a 3.5 win player. With an upside of something like "Carlos Correa meets GG-caliber defense." Okay, yeah I've never seen Tatis play or anything like that. Virtually guessing and throwing darts there. Too much loft in Tatis' bat to become a light hitting short stop like Iglesias. Yeah Correa or Xander seems like a good comp for him offensively with a great glove. Thanks, I appreciate the input.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -5
There is a part of me that wants to see the Sox keep all three of Dalbec, Chavis, and Devers (Devers moves to first base and Chavis DH's), just to see who can hit the ball the hardest the next 5 or so plus years. That'd be a fun game to watch as a fan who loves seeing hard contact and hitters obliterating the baseball. Be more fun than a homerun hitting contest.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 12:58:34 GMT -5
Tatis drives the ball in a way Iglesias doesn't. Iglesias wasn't about to put up a .221 Iso in Double-A. It's very hard for me to see Tatis ending up a sub-.400 SLG guy. More likely that if things go "wrong," its because he strikes out too much and struggles to keep his average high enough to be an impact bat. But even something like .235/.310/.440 with excellent shortstop defense is what, a 3.5 win player. With an upside of something like "Carlos Correa meets GG-caliber defense." Okay, yeah I've never seen Tatis play or anything like that. Virtually guessing and throwing darts there. Too much loft in Tatis' bat to become a light hitting short stop like Iglesias. Just a little advice... if you literally know very little about a player don’t “throw darts” ask some questions or do some research. I think people will appreciate not having a back and forth when you’re basically making stuff up to fit a narrative you want. Sorry if that comes off as aggressive it’s not intended to be.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 13:07:41 GMT -5
Okay, yeah I've never seen Tatis play or anything like that. Virtually guessing and throwing darts there. Too much loft in Tatis' bat to become a light hitting short stop like Iglesias. Just a little advice... if you literally know very little about a player don’t “throw darts” ask some questions or do some research. I think people will appreciate not having a back and forth when you’re basically making stuff up to fit a narrative you want. Sorry if that comes off as aggressive it’s not intended to be. I wasn't suggesting a narraitive there. Minor league power numbers can be sometimes way off due to a league, or the ballparks the prospect played in (what could have been the case with Tatis). Maybe James has seen Tatis play, I had no clue. I did ask a question based off of a comparison, which is what we generally do as fans because we need to compare to see what a prospect can generally turn out to be as a player. I wasn't making stuff up. I was throwing out worst case scenarios stuff, just like with what everyone did with Vlad Jr. The internet kind of stinks sometimes because I wasn't trying to be right in that situation, I was trying to learn more about Tatis there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 20:40:18 GMT -5
Can anyone with access to Keith Law’s list tell me where Royce Lewis (SS, Twins) and Alex Kiriloff (OF, Twins) rank? I like watching the Twins when I’m not watching the Red Sox. Beautiful ballpark, beautiful city.
I’m super high on Lewis. I think he will be a franchise player for the Twins.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2019 21:55:19 GMT -5
Can anyone with access to Keith Law’s list tell me where Royce Lewis (SS, Twins) and Alex Kiriloff (OF, Twins) rank? I like watching the Twins when I’m not watching the Red Sox. Beautiful ballpark, beautiful city. I’m super high on Lewis. I think he will be a franchise player for the Twins. 9th and 11th
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 23:40:08 GMT -5
Can anyone with access to Keith Law’s list tell me where Royce Lewis (SS, Twins) and Alex Kiriloff (OF, Twins) rank? I like watching the Twins when I’m not watching the Red Sox. Beautiful ballpark, beautiful city. I’m super high on Lewis. I think he will be a franchise player for the Twins. 9th and 11th Thanks
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