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2019-20 International Signing Period Thread
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 3, 2019 0:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 1:32:03 GMT -5
OK double checked. Good catch. Haha I had to open an instagram account but they have two different accounts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 1:35:34 GMT -5
Unless I missed someone else, we have 17 of the 18 names Romero mentioned.
BA Juan Chacon, of, Venezuela Johnfrank Salazar, ss, Venezuela Nathanael Cruz, rhp, Dominican Republic Renny Flores, c, Venezuela (video) Diego Saavedra, of, Venezuela (video) Diego Viloria, c, Venezuela (video) Jose Mendez, ss, Venezuela Allan Castro, ss, Dominican Republic Jhostnyxon Garcia, ss, Venezuela Jackson Camejo, of, Venezuela Sebastian Guerra, ss, Venezuela Cesar Ruiz, rhp, Venezuela
plus: Lyonell James, INF, Dominican Republic -- $440,000 Rivaldo Avila, C, Venezuela -- $405,000 RHP Kelvin Diaz $300,000 Carlos Diaz Jhon Garcia, SS, Venezuela
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 1:44:47 GMT -5
LOL, I have a first name. In the same picture of the Diego Viloria & Jose Mendez signing (the one with Diego's auntie who is an actress and former Miss Venezuela) there's a third Red Sox hat and placard on the table but only the first name is shown.... Kenny'.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 3, 2019 3:02:49 GMT -5
Unless I missed someone else, we have 17 of the 18 names Romero mentioned. BA Juan Chacon, of, Venezuela Johnfrank Salazar, ss, Venezuela Nathanael Cruz, rhp, Dominican Republic Renny Flores, c, Venezuela (video) Diego Saavedra, of, Venezuela (video) Diego Viloria, c, Venezuela (video) Jose Mendez, ss, Venezuela Allan Castro, ss, Dominican Republic Jhostnyxon Garcia, ss, Venezuela Jackson Camejo, of, Venezuela Sebastian Guerra, ss, Venezuela Cesar Ruiz, rhp, Venezuela plus: Lyonell James, INF, Dominican Republic -- $440,000 Rivaldo Avila, C, Venezuela -- $405,000 RHP Kelvin Diaz $300,000 Carlos Diaz Jhon Garcia, SS, Venezuela Carlos Diaz is a Venezuelan catcher. Kelvin Diaz is a Dominican SS.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 3:07:40 GMT -5
Unless I missed someone else, we have 17 of the 18 names Romero mentioned. BA Juan Chacon, of, Venezuela Johnfrank Salazar, ss, Venezuela Nathanael Cruz, rhp, Dominican Republic Renny Flores, c, Venezuela (video) Diego Saavedra, of, Venezuela (video) Diego Viloria, c, Venezuela (video) Jose Mendez, ss, Venezuela Allan Castro, ss, Dominican Republic Jhostnyxon Garcia, ss, Venezuela Jackson Camejo, of, Venezuela Sebastian Guerra, ss, Venezuela Cesar Ruiz, rhp, Venezuela plus: Lyonell James, INF, Dominican Republic -- $440,000 Rivaldo Avila, C, Venezuela -- $405,000 RHP Kelvin Diaz $300,000 Carlos Diaz Jhon Garcia, SS, Venezuela Carlos Diaz is a Venezuelan catcher. Kelvin Diaz is a Dominican SS. Wasn't sure about Carlos. I only knew he wasn't a pitcher because there's a reference to a grand slam. Kelvin I got from this: Antonio Puesán Verified account @antoniopuesan #FirmasJulio2 Todos acordaron con los @redsoxbeisbol IF Lyonell James $440,000 RHP Natanael Cruz $200,000 RHP Kelvin Diaz $300,000 IF Allan Castro $100,000
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 3:25:08 GMT -5
The only Venezuelan Kenny prospect I could find was this guy, Kenny Castillo a catcher.
On the d.atrapada Instagram account, there's a picture of 12 guys wearing red sox unis and former Miss Venezuela wearing the same outfit so, I assume it's current.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 4:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 9:12:46 GMT -5
Thanks for that article. I almost felt slimy just reading that. MLBPA HAS to agree to an International Draft. OK, so I was curious and played around with Google a bit and have come out with a different picture than I went in with. Yeah, it's tough to find silver linings in exploiting 12 year olds but in the real world the kids that go to these academies are likely to have better health care, nutrition and most of all education than they would likely have otherwise. These aren't the kind of mom and pop operations I pictured going in. check out any of the listed academies www.mlb.com/es/trainer-partnership/dominican-republic
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Post by alnipper on Jul 3, 2019 9:16:48 GMT -5
Great job slaying the coverage everybody!
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2019 9:18:32 GMT -5
Thanks for that article. I almost felt slimy just reading that. MLBPA HAS to agree to an International Draft. OK, so I was curious and played around with Google a bit and have come out with a different picture than I went in with. Yeah, it's tough to find silver linings in exploiting 12 year olds but in the real world the kids that go to these academies are likely to have better health care, nutrition and most of all education than they would likely have otherwise. These aren't the kind of mom and pop operations I pictured going in. check out any of the listed academies www.mlb.com/es/trainer-partnership/dominican-republicIt’s certainly a weird situation. On one hand they are being taken advantage of but on the other hand their quality of life improves. That’s a tough thing to take a stand on
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 10:03:13 GMT -5
For the list, the MLB article said 18 players from the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Brazil. We don't have anyone known from Brazil yet.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 3, 2019 11:11:34 GMT -5
LOL, I have a first name. In the same picture of the Diego Viloria & Jose Mendez signing (the one with Diego's auntie who is an actress and former Miss Venezuela) there's a third Red Sox hat and placard on the table but only the first name is shown.... Kenny'. How sure are you that its not Renny (Flores)?
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Post by ramireja on Jul 3, 2019 11:34:28 GMT -5
The more I think about trading for more cap space, the less certain I am that they actually will do so. First, if we assume Chacon is going to be the highest paid signee then we won't have a single bonus >$1M. It's quite possible that they sign their entire class and keep within their ~$5.4M cap. Also, when the league first switched to the current bonus pool system, a fair number of teams were under the penalty from the previous system and were limited to signing players for $300K or less. Those teams had plenty of incentive to trade some of their pool money to those without penalties. Now that we're a couple (few?) years removed from that system and teams are no longer under penalty (with the exception of the Braves), I'm not sure there will be many teams looking to move bonus $. I'd imagine there are more teams looking to acquire $, so the price to do so might be steeper. Not to mention, it looks like the O's have crept into the 21st century and are signing international talent so they may no longer be a common target for extra $.
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Post by bosox on Jul 3, 2019 11:58:58 GMT -5
The more I think about trading for more cap space, the less certain I am that they actually will do so. First, if we assume Chacon is going to be the highest paid signee then we won't have a single bonus >$1M. It's quite possible that they sign their entire class and keep within their ~$5.4M cap. Also, when the league first switched to the current bonus pool system, a fair number of teams were under the penalty from the previous system and were limited to signing players for $300K or less. Those teams had plenty of incentive to trade some of their pool money to those without penalties. Now that we're a couple (few?) years removed from that system and teams are no longer under penalty (with the exception of the Braves), I'm not sure there will be many teams looking to move bonus $. I'd imagine there are more teams looking to acquire $, so the price to do so might be steeper. Not to mention, it looks like the O's have crept into the 21st century and are signing international talent so they may no longer be a common target for extra $. The Indians just traded cap money to the Rays for Andrew Velazquez. The article didn't state how much money. Link
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Post by duda on Jul 3, 2019 12:20:02 GMT -5
Amazing job on the coverage with this from the members on this board. It's incredible that the biggest citizen of the D.R. gets shot about a month ago and we still know very little about what happened, and on the same island within hours of it happening this board can put together a full signing list with pictures of kids who are 16 years old. Great commitment, just incredible.
I know it was deemed a bad year for arms on the international market but it looked like the sox signed only 2 arms out of 17 signees. They have for the last few years used the terminology that that they like to sign guys who can stay in the middle of the diamond. Does it appear to be their strategy to predominantly stay away from arms on the July 1 market, or was it just because there werent a good enough group of arms to invest in.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 3, 2019 12:31:12 GMT -5
The more I think about trading for more cap space, the less certain I am that they actually will do so. First, if we assume Chacon is going to be the highest paid signee then we won't have a single bonus >$1M. It's quite possible that they sign their entire class and keep within their ~$5.4M cap. Also, when the league first switched to the current bonus pool system, a fair number of teams were under the penalty from the previous system and were limited to signing players for $300K or less. Those teams had plenty of incentive to trade some of their pool money to those without penalties. Now that we're a couple (few?) years removed from that system and teams are no longer under penalty (with the exception of the Braves), I'm not sure there will be many teams looking to move bonus $. I'd imagine there are more teams looking to acquire $, so the price to do so might be steeper. Not to mention, it looks like the O's have crept into the 21st century and are signing international talent so they may no longer be a common target for extra $. The Indians just traded cap money to the Rays for Andrew Velazquez. The article didn't state how much money. LinkWord...and just to be clear, I'm not saying that trades for pool $ will cease altogether. The Yankees for example clearly need to acquire some just to sign Dominguez and Jhon Diaz alone. We still could acquire some if we need beyond our $5.4M cap. I'm just saying that if the market shifts such that demand for pool $ increases (or stays the same) and the supply decreases, then we might see fewer trades overall and we might see the cost (in prospects) to acquire $ go up slightly.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 3, 2019 12:35:34 GMT -5
Amazing job on the coverage with this from the members on this board. It's incredible that the biggest citizen of the D.R. gets shot about a month ago and we still know very little about what happened, and on the same island within hours of it happening this board can put together a full signing list with pictures of kids who are 16 years old. Great commitment, just incredible. I know it was deemed a bad year for arms on the international market but it looked like the sox signed only 2 arms out of 17 signees. They have for the last few years used the terminology that that they like to sign guys who can stay in the middle of the diamond. Does it appear to be their strategy to predominantly stay away from arms on the July 1 market, or was it just because there werent a good enough group of arms to invest in. There will be more arms signed as the period progresses. See this quote from Romero: This might refer to the two pitchers signed yesterday but may also refer to projected signings that we'll hear about later on...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 18:44:43 GMT -5
LOL, I have a first name. In the same picture of the Diego Viloria & Jose Mendez signing (the one with Diego's auntie who is an actress and former Miss Venezuela) there's a third Red Sox hat and placard on the table but only the first name is shown.... Kenny'. How sure are you that its not Renny (Flores)? less than 100%, it's not a high res picture but looks like a K. On the other hand, if it was Renny, it would make the known Venezuelans 12, the same # in the picture. There's also no-one from Brazil. I have looked and don't see Kenny Castillo signed anyplace else.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 3, 2019 19:54:42 GMT -5
OK, so I was curious and played around with Google a bit and have come out with a different picture than I went in with. Yeah, it's tough to find silver linings in exploiting 12 year olds but in the real world the kids that go to these academies are likely to have better health care, nutrition and most of all education than they would likely have otherwise. These aren't the kind of mom and pop operations I pictured going in. check out any of the listed academies www.mlb.com/es/trainer-partnership/dominican-republicIt’s certainly a weird situation. On one hand they are being taken advantage of but on the other hand their quality of life improves. That’s a tough thing to take a stand on There's a difference between MLB and private academies but several references to teams cubbyholing young prospects would lead one to believe that there are also a lot of kids at MLB academies. This is the best "facility" video I could find. It's the Pirates but I'm pretty sure it's the rough equivalent of all the MLB team academies. It's pretty clearly not designed to house 30 or 40 players. I'd also speculate that the Red Sox have the equivalent of a VZ high school with everyone on full boat scholarships but that's pure speculation.:
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Post by telson13 on Jul 3, 2019 21:25:00 GMT -5
That would be a smart move if they could get real $, and totally worth it. He’s not a bad prospect as a viable SS, but really has no place on this team. I think your spot on buddy. I would think Chatham would hold a fairly nice value in the Intl trade market. Whoever grabs him will be getting a starting caliber SS or a high end Util. Players like that can rarely be had for essentially cash, which is much more intriguing. It also would help us a little when it comes to the Rule 5 time. I do like Chatham quite a bit, but I would be ok getting more in the bonus pool to take a higher profile guy. I am feeling better about the depth behind bogey coming as well so it would be a little easier loss if we had to. I’m not sure Chatham can be a first-division starter, but I think you may be right that he could be a 20-30 range MLB starter; he might also benefit some from the juiced ball in AAA. I think it’s more swing plane/approach for him rather than strength, but he has very little game power. Still, he does have plenty of doubles, and a juicier ball might turn a few into HR and maybe net him more XBH. My guess is he’s a .260/.310/.400 hitter at peak, but with average defense, that’s not a bad player. But the Sox have higher-upside guys low in the system, on track for roughly the time Bogey could leave. And with Lin, Chatham is essentially redundant on the Sox. My guess tho is they like him as insurance and he stays; I’d imagine the bulk of their IFA $ at this point are accounted for and I’m not sure getting, say, $2.5-$3M in IFA money helps them now, as I don’t see them able to spend it. I’ve still gotta comb through the signings.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 3, 2019 21:25:58 GMT -5
Unless I missed someone else, we have 17 of the 18 names Romero mentioned. BA Juan Chacon, of, Venezuela Johnfrank Salazar, ss, Venezuela Nathanael Cruz, rhp, Dominican Republic Renny Flores, c, Venezuela (video) Diego Saavedra, of, Venezuela (video) Diego Viloria, c, Venezuela (video) Jose Mendez, ss, Venezuela Allan Castro, ss, Dominican Republic Jhostnyxon Garcia, ss, Venezuela Jackson Camejo, of, Venezuela Sebastian Guerra, ss, Venezuela Cesar Ruiz, rhp, Venezuela plus: Lyonell James, INF, Dominican Republic -- $440,000 Rivaldo Avila, C, Venezuela -- $405,000 RHP Kelvin Diaz $300,000 Carlos Diaz Jhon Garcia, SS, Venezuela Their presence (and strength) in VZ is an incredible asset.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 4, 2019 6:41:18 GMT -5
BA tracker has confirmed Rivaldo Avila, c Venezuela
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Post by azblue on Jul 4, 2019 9:53:16 GMT -5
Finally...we have discovered why the the Red Sox have been able to sign so many top prospects from Venezuela. Boston not only has a solid group of native Venezuelans on the scouting staff and a well-established presence in the country...the Red Sox have an almost unfair advantage: "...there's a picture of 12 guys wearing red sox unis and former Miss Venezuela wearing the same outfit...."
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 4, 2019 10:06:53 GMT -5
Shhh that's Diego Viloria's auntie but she is wearing rojas.
It's actually far more complicated. We have 2 Diaz' and Diaz translates to 'son of Diego' and we have two of those. You do the math.
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