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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 6, 2021 10:36:58 GMT -5
I think casas should crack the top 10 best prospects in MLB and BA
He’s a can’t miss future all star
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 6, 2021 10:48:52 GMT -5
I hope that is the case!
I tend to get 'gunshy' with 1B prospects due to the Lars Anderson experience years ago 😅
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2021 10:58:34 GMT -5
Over his last 200 PA, Casas has a 15% Walk rate vs a 17% K rate and an IsoP of .199 good for a .844 OPS despite having a .286 BABIP If your slugging 1st baseman sports a 55 hit tool, you're in a very good place If you had to choose between Yorke and Casas, what would be your "Sophie's Choice"? Not even close (at the moment): Casas. I’ll always take the guy playing at the higher level. That is no slam on Yorke, but if I *must* take one or the other…
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Post by radiohix on Sept 6, 2021 11:02:59 GMT -5
Over his last 200 PA, Casas has a 15% Walk rate vs a 17% K rate and an IsoP of .199 good for a .844 OPS despite having a .286 BABIP If your slugging 1st baseman sports a 55 hit tool, you're in a very good place If you had to choose between Yorke and Casas, what would be your "Sophie's Choice"? Heh. I'm taking Nick Yorke my man. I'm a hit tool guy, watching disciplined hitters who spray line drives to all fields gives all the feels 😅 I also think that with reps he'll turn himself into an above average fielder.
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 6, 2021 11:40:37 GMT -5
I like how you've given yourself leeway, manfred!
We should all have the ability to augment our judgments when new information is available.
But radiohix's Yorke allegiance is commendable!
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 6, 2021 11:49:55 GMT -5
Goosebumps to think of Casas, Yorke and Mayer in Boston in a few years, goosebumps. SMFH... Three guys who could have legit ROY seasons back to back to back. Casas all of a sudden looks like he could be an early call up next year, yes that is aggressive but late June/July is possible if he has had an Ahha moment here over the past few days and it continues. Love it when guys force the issue with their play.
And Mac Jones too, if the Pats win and he performs the way he has in preseason ROY is in the cards. ROY awards don't happen often in Boston as the teams are usually too good to draft high enough to get them. makes it kind of fun to at least see the chance. And I think those 4 guys have legit chances by the way things are shaping up, yes I know "very early," but what the hey.
edit. Imagine the return on Dalbec at the trade deadline, sorry Bobby.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2021 12:14:10 GMT -5
edit. Imagine the return on Dalbec at the trade deadline, sorry Bobby. So... when does the Dalbec vs. Casas debate set in? It didn't look like a debate at all a month ago, but now...
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 6, 2021 14:20:26 GMT -5
edit. Imagine the return on Dalbec at the trade deadline, sorry Bobby. So... when does the Dalbec vs. Casas debate set in? It didn't look like a debate at all a month ago, but now... I HOPE it doesn't and that Casas is heads and shoulders better, his hit tool, K rate and BB rate are just so much better. Casas is hopefully a future all star while Bobby has the 30+ Hr with 30+% K rate that will hold him back from all star status even in peak years. There are a lot of those guys out there. Casas on the other hand has the potential special, I think.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 6, 2021 14:38:18 GMT -5
edit. Imagine the return on Dalbec at the trade deadline, sorry Bobby. So... when does the Dalbec vs. Casas debate set in? It didn't look like a debate at all a month ago, but now... And yet, this site in its projected 2022 rosters has Dalbec on the Boston bench, with the starter being some kind of [placeholder?] acquisition.
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Post by jchang on Sept 6, 2021 14:46:07 GMT -5
I am all for playing Dalbec as long as he can hold his position. But would be cautious of long-term, in case he has a career trajectory like Chris Crush Davis
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Post by nomar on Sept 6, 2021 19:38:22 GMT -5
I am all for playing Dalbec as long as he can hold his position. But would be cautious of long-term, in case he has a career trajectory like Chris Crush Davis Think he should be learning LF this off-season. Having OF/3B/1B versatility will do wonders for his appeal no matter where his future takes him. He’s got a good sprint speed and good hands, I don’t see LF being too much for him.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 6, 2021 19:46:35 GMT -5
I am all for playing Dalbec as long as he can hold his position. But would be cautious of long-term, in case he has a career trajectory like Chris Crush Davis Think he should be learning LF this off-season. Having OF/3B/1B versatility will do wonders for his appeal no matter where his future takes him. He’s got a good sprint speed and good hands, I don’t see LF being too much for him. And an arm that should play in the OF
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 6, 2021 20:26:31 GMT -5
He's got sprint speed but I don't hold out hope about his first step. If Jarren Duran has taught us anything, it's that speed alone does not a good defensive outfielder make.
He's got poor range at first base. I don't like his chances of having a good first step at an unfamiliar position in left.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 6, 2021 20:30:48 GMT -5
He's got sprint speed but I don't hold out hope about his first step. If Jarren Duran has taught us anything, it's that speed alone does not a good defensive outfielder make. He's got poor range at first base. I don't like his chances of having a good first step at an unfamiliar position in left. I think if Bloom gets a good offer for Dalbec, he'll be traded. Most likely he rides out at least half the season in 2022 with Dalbec until Casas forces his way up, which I think will be sooner than later. Can't wait to see how far his shots go into the jet stream in RF in Worcester. You thought Duran hit them a long way? Wait until Casas gets there. I wouldn't be surprised if he has 15 - 20 HRs by midseason and is forcing a call-up to Boston. Casas is the real deal. Dalbec is a defensive liability who'll wind up on another team sooner or later.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 6, 2021 22:19:29 GMT -5
So... when does the Dalbec vs. Casas debate set in? It didn't look like a debate at all a month ago, but now... Unless Casas really forces the issue next year, I'm not seeing a problem. In 2023 you have 1b, 3b, and dh for Devers, Dalbec, and Casas. What's the issue? Depends if the Sox bring back Schwarber who could wind up the DH in 2023.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 7, 2021 2:35:50 GMT -5
He's got sprint speed but I don't hold out hope about his first step. If Jarren Duran has taught us anything, it's that speed alone does not a good defensive outfielder make. He's got poor range at first base. I don't like his chances of having a good first step at an unfamiliar position in left. But if someone has a slow reaction time (poor first step) it hurts far less in the OF than the IF. Also, his arm would benefit him with the wall. All speculation, but it seems 3B to LF is a conversion that usually works well - or at least isn't a disaster.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 7, 2021 5:36:48 GMT -5
Think he should be learning LF this off-season. Having OF/3B/1B versatility will do wonders for his appeal no matter where his future takes him. He’s got a good sprint speed and good hands, I don’t see LF being too much for him. And an arm that should play in the OF I don’t hate it, actually I’m an Alex Cora 2022 world having positional versatility is an asset extending beyond your utility players. I would rather see him work on his 1B skill, I think there’s no reason why he can’t grow into at least an average defender there. To be fair he could probably do both. Learn LF and improve his 1B play in the offseason.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 7, 2021 5:40:33 GMT -5
All this Bobby B trade talk, what if……(and I feel I may have to duck large objects being thrown my way on this one)….what if Casas is the one they trade?
It’s not Dalbec VS Casas. It’s Dalbec vs Dalbec getting better and Casas bringing you a #1 starter.
I’m not doing it, but crazier things have happened.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 7, 2021 9:22:28 GMT -5
All this Bobby B trade talk, what if……(and I feel I may have to duck large objects being thrown my way on this one)….what if Casas is the one they trade? It’s not Dalbec VS Casas. It’s Dalbec vs Dalbec getting better and Casas bringing you a #1 starter. I’m not doing it, but crazier things have happened. I'd be shocked if they did that. I hope not. Hadn't considered it though. I don't think Casas gets you an ace because he's a 1b that's still developing his power (boy is he). I don't think a 1b returns an ace. Could be wrong, but I'd think an equivalent pitching prospect is a bigger question mark than what Casas could be? I guess I'm just a believer. I think he'll be a monster in the middle of the order, the 1b from the farm system that I'm most excited about since Mo Vaughn. I'd rather see them get lower tier pitching for Dalbec, contingent upon JDM staying another year and Schwarber re-signing.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 7, 2021 9:51:13 GMT -5
All this Bobby B trade talk, what if……(and I feel I may have to duck large objects being thrown my way on this one)….what if Casas is the one they trade? It’s not Dalbec VS Casas. It’s Dalbec vs Dalbec getting better and Casas bringing you a #1 starter. I’m not doing it, but crazier things have happened. I'd be shocked if they did that. I hope not. Hadn't considered it though. I don't think Casas gets you an ace because he's a 1b that's still developing his power (boy is he). I don't think a 1b returns an ace. Could be wrong, but I'd think an equivalent pitching prospect is a bigger question mark than what Casas could be? I guess I'm just a believer. I think he'll be a monster in the middle of the order, the 1b from the farm system that I'm most excited about since Mo Vaughn. I'd rather see them get lower tier pitching for Dalbec, contingent upon JDM staying another year and Schwarber re-signing. I don't think they do that either. If we're speaking hypothetically, I don't think you get an Ace for Casas 1 for 1, rather he would headline a package.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 7, 2021 10:46:25 GMT -5
.303/.442/.592 since he got back from Japan, with half of his home runs coming in that time. Must be something in the water over there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2021 11:00:56 GMT -5
.303/.442/.592 since he got back from Japan, with half of his home runs coming in that time. Must be something in the water over there. While this might be true, that's a bit of an oversimplification: 8/11-8/20: 38 PA, .364/.447/.485, 4 2B, 0 HR 8/21-8/27: 25 PA, .000/.280/.000, 0 XBH obv 8/28-9/4: 32 PA, .440/.563/1.160, 0 2B, 6 HR Sliced another way: 5/4-8/27: 262 PA, .263/.363/.402, 9 2B, 2 3B, 6 HR 8/28-9/4: 32 PA, .440/.563/1.160, 0 2B, 6 HR He was having a perfectly fine season for a top prospect in AA at age 21. However, in that one 8-day span (and really, it's mostly in that two-day span with the 5 HR), he went bonkers. The question is what does he do with the final 2.5 weeks - or more if Portland can push past Somerset for the final playoff spot (or maybe Worcester if they don't? Plus there's always the AFL, where he seems a shoo-in to go).
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Post by incandenza on Sept 7, 2021 12:40:42 GMT -5
.303/.442/.592 since he got back from Japan, with half of his home runs coming in that time. Must be something in the water over there. While this might be true, that's a bit of an oversimplification: 8/11-8/20: 38 PA, .364/.447/.485, 4 2B, 0 HR 8/21-8/27: 25 PA, .000/.280/.000, 0 XBH obv 8/28-9/4: 32 PA, .440/.563/1.160, 0 2B, 6 HR Sliced another way: 5/4-8/27: 262 PA, .263/.363/.402, 9 2B, 2 3B, 6 HR 8/28-9/4: 32 PA, .440/.563/1.160, 0 2B, 6 HR He was having a perfectly fine season for a top prospect in AA at age 21. However, in that one 8-day span (and really, it's mostly in that two-day span with the 5 HR), he went bonkers. The question is what does he do with the final 2.5 weeks - or more if Portland can push past Somerset for the final playoff spot (or maybe Worcester if they don't? Plus there's always the AFL, where he seems a shoo-in to go). In that 8/21-8/27 stretch he had a 22% K rate and a 30% walk rate. I'm kind of fantasizing about it happening like this: after working on his approach all season, he finally decided he had mastered strike zone management, and then simply decided "Okay. I shall begin homering now."
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Post by soxinsf on Sept 7, 2021 18:08:39 GMT -5
Depends if the Sox bring back Schwarber who could wind up the DH in 2023. Practically, there's still a long way to go before there is an issue. Schwarber can play the outfield. Theoretically, it's an interesting question. If Dalbec finishes his rookie campaign with an OPS north of .800 I might lean toward him, but I don't have a ton of confidence in that position. Six weeks ago, you would have thot that Bobby was headed for Worcester. One person said he belongs in Portland. Now he is the AL Rookie of The Month. His earlier troubles make all is wary. But why are we not wary of Casas? Frankly, I am not worried about either of them. Only Bobby can help this year. Casas may arrive next year but expecting him by mid season is the stuff of fantasy novels. To me, that means we look to 2023. I do not expect us to have JDM by then, but I would not be surprised by a significant free agent slugger signing. And that person can be any position one would care to positâexcept SS and maybe 1B because both Dalbec and Casas could fill that role for years to come. If neither is compelling by then, even 1B would be in play. So I am not worried. I want them both to make it To tell you the truth, I am most worried about CF. The corner IF and OF spots are easier to project at this point than is CF unless Kiké suddenly becomes a .280/.330/.475 or better hitter full time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 7, 2021 23:03:00 GMT -5
Depends if the Sox bring back Schwarber who could wind up the DH in 2023. Practically, there's still a long way to go before there is an issue. Schwarber can play the outfield. Theoretically, it's an interesting question. If Dalbec finishes his rookie campaign with an OPS north of .800 I might lean toward him, but I don't have a ton of confidence in that position. Schwarber is not a good OF and the lack of good OF defense is hurting the team. Verdugo/Hernandez/Renfroe is their best defensive OF unit, although Verdugo hasn't been exactly stellar in the outfield as of late. And yes, it's not a decision they have to make today but it is coming up and Schwarber is a part of that decision making process.
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