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Post by jimed14 on Apr 28, 2019 21:05:54 GMT -5
Ya’ll know like 1/2 the main characters are going to die next episode. It will be red wedding esq I think all the skeletons in the crypt are going to come to life and kill everyone in the crypt. *spoiler alert* |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 28, 2019 21:25:13 GMT -5
Did Brienne and Jamie die? I need to watch this again another 3 or 4 times. Maybe someday they can film a scene in daylight.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 28, 2019 21:27:12 GMT -5
What a great episode!! Arya!! How many girls will be named Arya over the next few years? LOL
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 28, 2019 22:42:21 GMT -5
Couldn't see sh*t during the dragon battles. That aside, that was some hype stuff. Too many characters wearing some thick plot armor, but I guess you truly can't kill them all with 3 episodes to go.
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Post by swingingbunt on Apr 28, 2019 23:06:42 GMT -5
Crazy, but too f'ing dark for my liking
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 28, 2019 23:36:11 GMT -5
Don't forget guys, the battle is not over. Ser Bronn of the F*cking Blackwater is coming.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 29, 2019 9:43:18 GMT -5
It was epic, surprised so few people died.
Watched it twice, first at friends house. In HD, but it's like 720p HD, with lights on. It was horrible. Again at home, full HD 1080p, with lights off. It was ten times better, yet still not perfect. It's like it was made in 4k, which would be awesome if I could watch it in 4K. Yet cable isn't 4K and I see no links for 4k. I just never watched a full HD show or movie and still seen lines like in that episode before. Only certain points in the episode, but it was annoying as hell.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 10:42:08 GMT -5
I have a 60" plasma with excellent black levels. I have to crank up the brightness to see anything while sitting in absolute dark to the point where it looks terrible. I don't even think you could see this show well in an IMAX theater. It's my only criticism of the show and a lot of people have the same one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 29, 2019 11:15:56 GMT -5
I've got a 60" 4k LED TV, like not even six month old, with up-scaling and HDR. Never once have I thought I needed 4k content or that I should have spent more and got a $2,000 TV till that episode. In vivid mode the darks were fine, it just wasn't 100% clear. Which in lower quality just blurred everything together. Like 720p is usually very good to watch shows, yet all the snow is just a blur in that episode.
I really can't understand what they did there after two years and like a year of CGI work! I will bet it looks awesome in 4K, because of the massive difference in 720p to 1080p. Yet very few people have the ability to watch it in 4k right now. So I don't get why you would do that. I pulled up a 480p link and it was litterally unwatchable, one big blur. Not what you want people talking about after what was an epic episode.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 11:46:42 GMT -5
I don't think the difference between 1080p and 4k really matters anywhere near as much as the low lighting. That low lighting will expose the weaknesses of any tv.
The problem with cable and streaming is the lack of bandwidth. A 1080p bluray will look way better than a 4k stream because the bluray isn't compressed anywhere near as much as the stream or cable broadcast.
We'd all have the same problems even with a 4k bluray because the scenes are so dark.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 13:23:02 GMT -5
I have to give a shoutout to Melisandre, in one of the best badass ways anyone has made their make on this show. The swords on fire was the only way we saw ANY of that scene. Also, the little girl Lyanna.
There was actually surprisingly few deaths in that episode, mainly the dragon and the Night King. Theonn had become a major character but redeemed himself in the end. RIP Reek. Jorah was also a semi-major death.
It only took me about 9 years to start remembering names on this show. It's crazy how many characters are in it.
When I first watched it, I thought they implied Brienne's and Jamie's deaths, but then again, if you don't see a body, there is no death. And even then it's still not certain. They're still alive.
Part of me thinks Arya will be sitting on the throne in the end. I think we'll get a recovery episode next week where they mourn and start to deal with the news of Jon Snow's true lineage before the Lannisters attack.
edit- I just read that only the undead dragon died and that the other two remain alive, though I don't see how that was possible.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 14:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 15:20:54 GMT -5
Fun fact. That undead giant that Lyanna killed was a real actor, not CGI. He's a 7'5" actor.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 29, 2019 22:53:47 GMT -5
I don't think the difference between 1080p and 4k really matters anywhere near as much as the low lighting. That low lighting will expose the weaknesses of any tv. The problem with cable and streaming is the lack of bandwidth. A 1080p bluray will look way better than a 4k stream because the bluray isn't compressed anywhere near as much as the stream or cable broadcast. We'd all have the same problems even with a 4k bluray because the scenes are so dark. Watch the episode in different formats 720p and 1080p and you'll see. Low light and things like snow and rain are where quality matters more than anything. You need that extra quality to tell the difference between many shades of blacks also. The smaller the file, the more they become one. That and HDR makes a huge difference, gives you a wider range of colors. It's not my TV, it's like you posted later you can't get the quality to even come close to pushing these new TVs from cable or streaming. Streaming HD is 2 GBs for that Episode, 720p was 400 to 900 MBs, 4k if I could even find it would be 10 to 15 GBs. A true 4k Blu-ray for that episode would be like 25 to 50 GBs, heck you could push 100 GB. Watch that on a newer TV and you won't care about the Dark. Yet it's stupid to create an episode that needs something most can't even get and frankly looks like crap at anything under full HD, which most people don't get. It's like great I have to spend a hundred bucks or more on a 4k Blu-ray box set to fully enjoy the episode. That's either brilliant or stupid. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2019 23:32:50 GMT -5
They really should have taken the episode and watched it on an average tv before releasing it instead of assuming that everyone has an IMAX theater in their house.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2019 12:16:56 GMT -5
Don't forget guys, the battle is not over. Ser Bronn of the F*cking Blackwater is coming. Worst part of the episode, they had to make me not like Bronn! Glad he didn't kill anyone, but it's the first time I didn't like the guy, who overall has been a great underrated character for years. Two episodes left and I really hope they change the narrative! |
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Post by jchang on May 6, 2019 13:37:23 GMT -5
while the overall show is great, their military advisor is total garbage. Last week, Dothraki, who are essentially light cavalry, should attack the perimeter, not charge into the center, and certainly not beyond support of infantry. Crassus made the same mistake at Carrhae.
And now this week, with the dragon getting shot. The primary mission of aviation assets is reconnaissance (unless you believe the air force nut job jealots). What was she doing not paying attention to the surface?
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2019 14:19:13 GMT -5
while the overall show is great, their military advisor is total garbage. Last week, Dothraki, who are essentially light cavalry, should attack the perimeter, not charge into the center, and certainly not beyond support of infantry. Crassus made the same mistake at Carrhae. And now this week, with the dragon getting shot. The primary mission of aviation assets is reconnaissance (unless you believe the air force nut job jealots). What was she doing not paying attention to the surface? They should have used the castle to their advantage. Also, someone explain to me how the undead dragon destroyed the giant wall, but was unable to destroy the tiny wall Jon Snow was hiding behind multiple times? I could pick apart minor details for days. They just haven't thought everything through completely which is ridiculous given that they had 2 years to do it. I think there's something really odd about Bran. Why did he basically encourage Theon to attack the Night King which was surely instant death when if he waited about 30 seconds, the Night King would have been killed by Arya? It's clear that Bran knows pretty much everything that has happened, is happening and will happen and pushes people to do what he wants. He gave Arya the knife that killed the Night King. So why did he want Theon dead? That was a dumb death. I guess you could argue that it gave Arya enough time to get there before the Night King killed Bran, but that seems far fetched to me. Daenerys is also a moron. She thinks her dragons are invincible and lost 2 of them because of it. Now she looks like she's about to attack Kings Landing on her own with her last dragon despite there being those giant harpoon guns on every tower. Imagine how much use Sensa, Arya, Varys and even Tyrion will have for Daenerys if she loses her last dragon. They tolerate her now because they know they need her dragons. I really hoped that Tyrion would have told Cersei about Jon being the heir to the iron throne at the end because that may have caused loyalty issues among Cersei's people. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2019 14:21:56 GMT -5
Don't forget guys, the battle is not over. Ser Bronn of the F*cking Blackwater is coming. Worst part of the episode, they had to make me not like Bronn! Glad he didn't kill anyone, but it's the first time I didn't like the guy, who overall has been a great underrated character for years. Two episodes left and I really hope they change the narrative! I saw Bronn walk in (I can't stand how many BR names are in this show) and thought for sure that Tyrion and Jamie were f'ed. I also thought that was a little weak. I don't get why Jamie left to go back to his sister either unless it's to kill her. He's another idiot. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2019 10:59:48 GMT -5
Worst part of the episode, they had to make me not like Bronn! Glad he didn't kill anyone, but it's the first time I didn't like the guy, who overall has been a great underrated character for years. Two episodes left and I really hope they change the narrative! I saw Bronn walk in (I can't stand how many BR names are in this show) and thought for sure that Tyrion and Jamie were f'ed. I also thought that was a little weak. I don't get why Jamie left to go back to his sister either unless it's to kill her. He's another idiot. He loves her and can't just sit around waiting to see if she dies. She probably kills him, she moved on rather quickly. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2019 11:14:46 GMT -5
while the overall show is great, their military advisor is total garbage. Last week, Dothraki, who are essentially light cavalry, should attack the perimeter, not charge into the center, and certainly not beyond support of infantry. Crassus made the same mistake at Carrhae. And now this week, with the dragon getting shot. The primary mission of aviation assets is reconnaissance (unless you believe the air force nut job jealots). What was she doing not paying attention to the surface? They should have used the castle to their advantage. Also, someone explain to me how the undead dragon destroyed the giant wall, but was unable to destroy the tiny wall Jon Snow was hiding behind multiple times? I could pick apart minor details for days. They just haven't thought everything through completely which is ridiculous given that they had 2 years to do it. I think there's something really odd about Bran. Why did he basically encourage Theon to attack the Night King which was surely instant death when if he waited about 30 seconds, the Night King would have been killed by Arya? It's clear that Bran knows pretty much everything that has happened, is happening and will happen and pushes people to do what he wants. He gave Arya the knife that killed the Night King. So why did he want Theon dead? That was a dumb death. I guess you could argue that it gave Arya enough time to get there before the Night King killed Bran, but that seems far fetched to me. Daenerys is also a moron. She thinks her dragons are invincible and lost 2 of them because of it. Now she looks like she's about to attack Kings Landing on her own with her last dragon despite there being those giant harpoon guns on every tower. Imagine how much use Sensa, Arya, Varys and even Tyrion will have for Daenerys if she loses her last dragon. They tolerate her now because they know they need her dragons. I really hoped that Tyrion would have told Cersei about Jon being the heir to the iron throne at the end because that may have caused loyalty issues among Cersei's people. When did we see Bran see the future? He can see the past and everything currently happening, yet I can't remember him ever seeing the future. Like he gave Arya the dagger because he could see the Red Princess vision of Arya closing eyes for good, including blue ones. Along with the fact she's a badass. Like if he could really see the future wouldn't he have helped them avoid those mistakes? The whole show kinda sucks the last two years after they passed the last book. Just not the same. For years Bran said he needed to get ready, like he'd be some weapon to help stop the dead and the night King and he litterally did nothing. Only he's coming for me like he had before, so they set a trap. They don't even use Bran to scout were the enemy is. The guy can see everything that happened or is happening, yet he gives them nothing. Two years and they leave Starbucks cups in scenes lol. I think that says it all. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2019 11:35:31 GMT -5
Here's a decent article that attempts to answer those questions. He has seen the future before (like his father's death), but maybe he doesn't always see it. But that event was so important that he probably would have seen it. Bran is one strange character and I can't quite figure out if he's actually a character that should be considered good or if there are some alternative evil motives that he has. Bran's abilities should be a much bigger part of the show, especially with how they dealt with the Night King and white walkers as well as how to deal with Cersei next episode. Like we had absolutely no clue about Arya leaving the battle to go kill the Night King. It was just "Surprise! And now we won't explain anything else around that event like why she went there when she did and how she snuck past all of the dead." More prophecy evidence for Bran. Last sesaon, he gave Arya the valyrian steel dagger that killed the Night King. www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Can-Bran-See-Future-Game-Thrones-46040134Between the way too dark episode with horrible artifacts and the Starbucks cup, I'm quite disappointed. They also skipped one of the most important scenes in the show, which is Sensa and Arya's reaction to the news that Jon Snow wasn't their brother. I was so annoyed by that. I'm still in it until the end. I just hope we don't get a Lost or Sopranos ending. |
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Post by 07redsox on May 7, 2019 12:05:34 GMT -5
I have a 60" plasma with excellent black levels. I have to crank up the brightness to see anything while sitting in absolute dark to the point where it looks terrible. I don't even think you could see this show well in an IMAX theater. It's my only criticism of the show and a lot of people have the same one. Do you watch the episode live on HBO or live through the HBO Go app? I watched on HBO live and the quality was horrible! It looked very grainy and sort of like there was holes in the picture (I assume that was mostly from bad quality of the snow, sort of like what umass said). Re-watched it the next day on HBO Go and it was a completely different episode. Yes, it will still dark, but I was able to see everything that was happening easily. Unfortunately didn't learn this until last week, but HBO releases the new episode on HBO Go at the same exact time as it airs on the channel. However, because television releases like that do not support the greatest quality, it's best to view it on on HBO Go. The quality is SO much better overall. I watched this past episode like this and found myself switching back and forth to see the difference. It's very noticeable. |
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Post by 07redsox on May 7, 2019 12:13:58 GMT -5
Here's a decent article that attempts to answer those questions. He has seen the future before (like his father's death), but maybe he doesn't always see it. But that event was so important that he probably would have seen it. Bran is one strange character and I can't quite figure out if he's actually a character that should be considered good or if there are some alternative evil motives that he has. Bran's abilities should be a much bigger part of the show, especially with how they dealt with the Night King and white walkers as well as how to deal with Cersei next episode. Like we had absolutely no clue about Arya leaving the battle to go kill the Night King. It was just "Surprise! And now we won't explain anything else around that event like why she went there when she did and how she snuck past all of the dead." More prophecy evidence for Bran. Last sesaon, he gave Arya the valyrian steel dagger that killed the Night King. www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Can-Bran-See-Future-Game-Thrones-46040134Between the way too dark episode with horrible artifacts and the Starbucks cup, I'm quite disappointed. They also skipped one of the most important scenes in the show, which is Sensa and Arya's reaction to the news that Jon Snow wasn't their brother. I was so annoyed by that. I'm still in it until the end. I just hope we don't get a Lost or Sopranos ending. There is a very good reason why she went there to kill the Night King: Melisandre told her that she would kill the Night King. When they, along with the Hound, are trapped in that room together Melisandre talks to Arya. Back in the third season they met for the first time and she tells Arya "I see a darkness in you, and in that darkness eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes. Eyes you'll shut forever. We will meet again." When they meet in this episode in that room she mentions killing all different eye colors again, including blue eyes. That's when Arya runs off to kill the Night King. Melisandre is telling Arya in that moment that she is the one to kill the Night King, who has blue eyes. Arya knows that Melisandre can see the future in some way through her visions, so what she is saying to her has to have some sort of significance. As for why she went to where she did, the whole plan was to set a trap for the Night King because they knew he was going to go after Bran. I would assume that was common knowledge among everyone, so she went to where she knew Bran was waiting. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2019 12:43:54 GMT -5
I have a 60" plasma with excellent black levels. I have to crank up the brightness to see anything while sitting in absolute dark to the point where it looks terrible. I don't even think you could see this show well in an IMAX theater. It's my only criticism of the show and a lot of people have the same one. Do you watch the episode live on HBO or live through the HBO Go app? I watched on HBO live and the quality was horrible! It looked very grainy and sort of like there was holes in the picture (I assume that was mostly from bad quality of the snow, sort of like what umass said). Re-watched it the next day on HBO Go and it was a completely different episode. Yes, it will still dark, but I was able to see everything that was happening easily. Unfortunately didn't learn this until last week, but HBO releases the new episode on HBO Go at the same exact time as it airs on the channel. However, because television releases like that do not support the greatest quality, it's best to view it on on HBO Go. The quality is SO much better overall. I watched this past episode like this and found myself switching back and forth to see the difference. It's very noticeable. I use HBO Now. But I've still seen about 10 different sources and none of them were anywhere near good enough. I even watched a brightened up version and that was awful as well. They need to completely remaster that episode for the blu-rays because it really was awful quality for the actual source that was released to every platform. It's unfathomable that the people in charge of producing this show didn't take the episode and watch it on an average viewer's tv set in a typical environment to see how it would look. They have had 2 years to do this and it still looks rushed as hell. |
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