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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2019 18:34:42 GMT -5
Yikes.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 18:44:40 GMT -5
The new draft odds kinda change everything, like look at the Lakers and Grizz. I don't think you can trust anything because it's crazy right now on rumors, now 3 team trade Wiggins to Houston, Paul to Boston, Hayward to Minny. After thinking this over for a few minutes, I like this deal if it doesn't cost much else. That last year of Paul's deal is brutal, but the first two years are offset by Hayward. It actually makes sense, like Wiggins fits Houston system rather well and Minny needs a shake up. Very risky because Chris Paul can't stay healthy, but hey I'll take that risk assuming Horford is back of course. I can’t get behind Chris Paul... and I like the player... he’s way too injury riddled: there’s no way he can get thru the season or playoffs. That and the fact that Chris Paul is probably the most overrated player of this generation, right next to Carmelo Anthony. If people don't like Kyrie. Then go check out this guy's track record of winning, which is none. I don't think he even has a Finals appearance in his career. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 18:48:42 GMT -5
The deal would only make sense because you can get a max salary slot again by next year, putting you in the conversation for Kevin Durant all over again.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2019 18:52:16 GMT -5
The deal would only make sense because you can get a max salary slot again by next year, putting you in the conversation for Kevin Durant all over again. No it doesn’t |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2019 18:52:46 GMT -5
The deal would only make sense because you can get a max salary slot again by next year, putting you in the conversation for Kevin Durant all over again. Chris Paul has only not won because of injuries - guy was an absolute stud in his prime and a big time winning player when healthy |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 19:19:06 GMT -5
The deal would only make sense because you can get a max salary slot again by next year, putting you in the conversation for Kevin Durant all over again. Chris Paul has only not won because of injuries - guy was an absolute stud in his prime and a big time winning player when healthy He never won anything. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 19:21:10 GMT -5
The deal would only make sense because you can get a max salary slot again by next year, putting you in the conversation for Kevin Durant all over again. No it doesn’t Lol, you're right. I thought Paul only had a year left. He's got 2 more added years on top of that. What a waste. Stay away Danny Ainge, by all means. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2019 19:23:34 GMT -5
Chris Paul has only not won because of injuries - guy was an absolute stud in his prime and a big time winning player when healthy He never won anything. Due to injuries - not due to him being a losing player. If you want to say he couldn’t stay healthy then sure but saying he wasn’t able to win games as a player on the court is pretty unfair. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 19:27:58 GMT -5
Due to injuries - not due to him being a losing player. If you want to say he couldn’t stay healthy then sure but saying he wasn’t able to win games as a player on the court is pretty unfair. Either way, he's 33 or something like that and the injuries aren't getting better. Keep Hayward. At least he's younger. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 18, 2019 19:44:41 GMT -5
Due to injuries - not due to him being a losing player. If you want to say he couldn’t stay healthy then sure but saying he wasn’t able to win games as a player on the court is pretty unfair. I think that's moot anyway, he looked way too washed up for long stretches and that contract is atrocious. After moving away from Horford, we have to go young. I'm a huge fan of Randle or DLo here. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2019 19:45:58 GMT -5
Due to injuries - not due to him being a losing player. If you want to say he couldn’t stay healthy then sure but saying he wasn’t able to win games as a player on the court is pretty unfair. Either way, he's 33 or something like that and the injuries aren't getting better. Keep Hayward. At least he's younger. Yea well I agree with that / i want nothing to do with Chris Paul |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 18, 2019 19:46:57 GMT -5
The last 10 months could not have gone worse for the Celtics. Every single asset has declined value and or is leaving (except maybe Memphis pick, but given the way the last Brooklyn pick and Sac pick ended up I doubt teams are overvaluing it).
Still shocked this team went from a few shots falling away from a finals appearance to this.
All that said, playing the kids plus a max player is not so bad a worst case.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 18, 2019 19:49:48 GMT -5
I don't think you can trust anything because it's crazy right now on rumors, now 3 team trade Wiggins to Houston, Paul to Boston, Hayward to Minny. This trade was shown to be a joke. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 20:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jun 18, 2019 20:48:11 GMT -5
Chris Paul graduated from our local high school (West Forsyth HS) and played hoops in gym class with my twin sons. So naturally I've rooted for him for years. But I agree, he's aging... his contract isn't good for teams... and there have always been questions about health/winning/and his team chemistry. Years ago I'd have liked to have seen him in Boston. Today, given his parameters, not so much.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2019 21:21:04 GMT -5
Well no Horford, means I have zero interest in Chris Paul now.
Wow no Horford changes everything. Not the direction I was expecting.
I hope this means he's going to focus on the draft more now. No reason not to have three rookies now right?
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2019 21:32:49 GMT -5
I’d be interested in blowing the whole thing up. See what kind of draft capital you can get for Tatum and Brown and start again
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 21:54:31 GMT -5
I’d be interested in blowing the whole thing up. See what kind of draft capital you can get for Tatum and Brown and start again Yeap, rebuild part 2. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 18, 2019 22:12:19 GMT -5
See what happens when Kyrie leaves and you don't trade for Anthony Davis?
Yeah this happens and everyone wants to leave. Waited 8 years to go no where. Now we will be waiting 5 more at least.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2019 22:55:55 GMT -5
After a little thought and research, I'd say Randle and Rozier is likely your best pairing. That's if Randle is going to be a 20 million guy.
Like it might take some time for them to mesh, yet long-term Randle could litterally be the next Horford type guy. I've certainly been a fan for years. So this likely won't happen, but Danny could look brilliant if this is the plan.
Who's paying Horford so much money? Kinda surprised that reports have him leaving over money. Sign and trades become hard if you want Randle or another free agent. Teams would need a trade exception.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2019 23:28:52 GMT -5
I really have concerns about Rozier being the PG. Even if you want to re-sign him, Its as an asset. Not to be the guy.
Even then, can you get more long term value out of being a cap space team and selling your space? Short window to do that as Brown will need an extension and then Tatum the following year.
Danny's challenge, imo, is to build around Tatum/Brown (with influence from Smart) while maintaining flexibility. He also needs to make something out of that Memphis pick. The young guys are likely too good to get a good pick from your own slot. So that Mem pick is your best shot.
Like the idea of Randle.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2019 23:56:40 GMT -5
If you don't think Rozier is your PG, I don't sign him. He's only going to be an asset if he's starting.
They could certainly use the cap space or guys like Horford and even Morris to get assets. Can you get enough to make it better than a Randle? Can you even get Randle? There won't be many options. You don't want to just spend the money, you need a legit guy. There are certainly a bunch of ways this can go.
The draft will likely give us a few answers.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 3:03:16 GMT -5
Trading up makes so much sense for this reason alone. Sign Randle for a max slot if you have to, trade up, start building a new young core because that's all you have left at this point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 5:04:06 GMT -5
Lol, what a great move to move on from Al then. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 6:33:44 GMT -5
Agree that if you keep Rozier, he should start to boost the stock.
Meant not the starter as in long term.
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