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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 14:56:39 GMT -5
It does not mean much if you didn't get to the Finals, at least not to me.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 15:00:03 GMT -5
I think the gloom and doom just stems from the waiting. It's been 8 years and we really only had a run of 3 years of trying to win between the Isaah Thomas, Al Horford, and Kyrie Horford run here. The gloom and doom is just ridiculous. It's like you last year with the Pats defense. They were on their way to a 3rd straight Super Bowl and you were practically having a tantrum because it didn't look like they would easily win the SB by 40 points halfway through the season. And then there was the endless complaining about the Red Sox when they won 119 games. Sometimes your favorite team doesn't win. Winning is hard. There are 29 other teams trying to win. Also there's a lot of random luck involved that no one can control. I watch sports to pass the time and to be entertained. That also happens when my teams don't win. Life goes on. Don't watch if you can't handle not winning all the time or change your expectations. Those are the two real options unless you like being miserable. My god dude. I can do whatever I want. I can post whatever I want. The Pats won with a bad defense. Usually that doesn't happen. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say really. It wasn't all gloom and doom either the past two years. I only thought the Sox didn't match up well with the Astros who were 3-10 against them in 2017-2018 after Game 1 of the playoffs. I thought the Sox were going to steamroll the Dodgers once they made it to the world series. The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2019 15:04:09 GMT -5
The gloom and doom is just ridiculous. It's like you last year with the Pats defense. They were on their way to a 3rd straight Super Bowl and you were practically having a tantrum because it didn't look like they would easily win the SB by 40 points halfway through the season. And then there was the endless complaining about the Red Sox when they won 119 games. Sometimes your favorite team doesn't win. Winning is hard. There are 29 other teams trying to win. Also there's a lot of random luck involved that no one can control. I watch sports to pass the time and to be entertained. That also happens when my teams don't win. Life goes on. Don't watch if you can't handle not winning all the time or change your expectations. Those are the two real options unless you like being miserable. My god dude. I can do whatever I want. I can post whatever I want. The Pats won with a bad defense. Usually that doesn't happen. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say really. It wasn't all gloom and doom either the past two years. I only thought the Sox didn't match up well with the Astros who were 3-10 against them in 2017-2018 after Game 1 of the playoffs. I thought the Sox were going to steamroll the Dodgers once they made it to the world series. The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. Yep, you can be as miserable as you want. Guess you choose option 3. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2019 15:05:29 GMT -5
The gloom and doom is just ridiculous. It's like you last year with the Pats defense. They were on their way to a 3rd straight Super Bowl and you were practically having a tantrum because it didn't look like they would easily win the SB by 40 points halfway through the season. And then there was the endless complaining about the Red Sox when they won 119 games. Sometimes your favorite team doesn't win. Winning is hard. There are 29 other teams trying to win. Also there's a lot of random luck involved that no one can control. I watch sports to pass the time and to be entertained. That also happens when my teams don't win. Life goes on. Don't watch if you can't handle not winning all the time or change your expectations. Those are the two real options unless you like being miserable. My god dude. I can do whatever I want. I can post whatever I want. The Pats won with a bad defense. Usually that doesn't happen. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say really. It wasn't all gloom and doom either the past two years. I only thought the Sox didn't match up well with the Astros who were 3-10 against them in 2017-2018 after Game 1 of the playoffs. I thought the Sox were going to steamroll the Dodgers once they made it to the world series. The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. The pats had a really good defense by the end of the year and thru the playoffs not to mention the defense literally won them the SB. “Not to mention” is the dumbest phrase in history yet I love to use it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2019 15:05:48 GMT -5
Using Kevin Pelton of ESPN chart, which he says is adjusted based on the strength of this draft. 14 is 1400, 20 is 1070, so that is basically equal to number 4 pick at 2440 vs 2470 for those two picks. #1 is 4000, #2 3100, and #3 2680, also pick #22 is 950. So all three picks is worth 3420 or more than the #2 pick. I have to say I've never seen Pelton do this before and the idea of draft value charts for the NBA draft have never been highly used. So much depends on how you rank guys and things like a tier system. That Kevin Pelton chart tells me he doesn't like this draft that much. When has a 14, 20, and 22 package or anything close to that got a team into even the top 5? Yet he rates it that you'd be overpaying by a pick equal to almost pick 37 in this draft if you traded for pick #2. I'm highly skeptical, like don't buy it for a second. Teams don't like to drop that far, you leave one tier for another. Realistically you can probably get to around pick 8 if the team wanted to trade pack, but that's just my two cents. Yeah, that's why I asked. Wasn't really buying it either, but I know almost nothing about NBA draft strategy. I was thinking (before I read this) that they might want to jump up to take more of an impact player, but if the draft is weak then there might not be much point. Jaxson Hayes is a name that I've seen to the Celtics a few times and is in that 8-10 range in mocks, was specifically thinking of him when I asked the question. Pelton also says centers drop on draft day because it's a lot easier to find them later in the draft. I think a perfect example is Robert Williams. He's just like Hayes a rim running, rebounding defensive big. Frankly I haven't paid much attention to Hayes because I think he's just like Williams and I'm still very high on him. More focused on guys that can score inside or can stretch the floor when looking at centers. That is my biggest flaw when I scout players though. I get tunnel vision and fall in love with certain skills and players. I then just block some guys out like Hayes and that raw French PF that everyone has going in the lottery because he's somewhat similar to Giannis. Even though guys like Giannis almost never hit like he did. It's like the Tony Parker effect all over again. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 15:07:49 GMT -5
My god dude. I can do whatever I want. I can post whatever I want. The Pats won with a bad defense. Usually that doesn't happen. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say really. It wasn't all gloom and doom either the past two years. I only thought the Sox didn't match up well with the Astros who were 3-10 against them in 2017-2018 after Game 1 of the playoffs. I thought the Sox were going to steamroll the Dodgers once they made it to the world series. The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. Yep, you can be as miserable as you want. Guess you choose option 3. Yeah, according to you I am. I live a happy life and have a wonderful lifestyle with a house and everything, but because I complain about sports sometimes, that makes me miserable. Not the case. I can be positive and negative as way I see fit. I'm sorry it isn't always positive which you don't like and can't handle. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 15:09:16 GMT -5
My god dude. I can do whatever I want. I can post whatever I want. The Pats won with a bad defense. Usually that doesn't happen. Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say really. It wasn't all gloom and doom either the past two years. I only thought the Sox didn't match up well with the Astros who were 3-10 against them in 2017-2018 after Game 1 of the playoffs. I thought the Sox were going to steamroll the Dodgers once they made it to the world series. The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. The pats had a really good defense by the end of the year and thru the playoffs not to mention the defense literally won them the SB. “Not to mention” is the dumbest phrase in history yet I love to use it. They certainly improved, but they gave up over 40 points in the AFC game. They had it's moments, but weren't without it's shaky moments too. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2019 15:18:47 GMT -5
It does not mean much if you didn't get to the Finals, at least not to me. That's a shame because last year's run might have been the best Celtics Basketball of my life. Like 2008 was great, but it was expected. Last year was just pure joy and even losing didn't hurt like 2010 because I had zero expectations. You can do whatever you want, but your expectations are way too high my friend. Just remember the early years when I started watching Celtics Basketball. We'd sneak into the playoffs under .500, get killed and litterally had no future. The Rick Pitino years, the M L Carr years, like OMG the last eight years have been rather good. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 15:22:38 GMT -5
It does not mean much if you didn't get to the Finals, at least not to me. That's a shame because last year's run might have been the best Celtics Basketball of my life. Like 2008 was great, but it was expected. Last year was just pure joy and even losing didn't hurt like 2010 because I had zero expectations. You can do whatever you want, but your expectations are way too high my friend. Just remember the early years when I started watching Celtics Basketball. We'd sneak into the playoffs under .500, get killed and litterally had no future. The Rick Pitino years, the M L Carr years, like OMG the last eight years have been rather good. It's the same expectations I hold for myself and how I was raised and how I get stuff done. I live a very high octane life. I can enjoy watching young kids develop like right now, but after seeing what just got ripped apart, it makes it kind of eye rolling. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 15:31:37 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Kevin O'Connor thinks Dallas is the favorite to sign Horford.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 15:34:30 GMT -5
The gloom and doom in this case isn't ridiculous. The team's core has literally been ripped apart. It's not ridiculous, but it may be premature. Irving and Horford may be doing the team a favor. We won't know until it happens, but there's at least a reasonable chance that Irving is addition by subtraction. That's not the case with Horford, would have liked him back for one year, but if he's getting 4/$100M from someone else then I think the Celtics would be wise to just walk away. Team didn't get AD, but he sounds a lot like Irving 2.0 in that he's not a team player and isn't a guy that's going to fit in with what the Celtics try to do. There's a decent chance that the Celtics have made all the right moves so far. We're not going to know for a couple of months, but I'm going to see how things play out before I make up my mind one way or the other. You may be right. This might be the best path to getting back to winning. It certainly should be a fresh start. Danny Ainge has A LOT of work to do to get back to where the Celtics were just at. I'm very interested in watching the path he takes to get there, that's for sure. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 19, 2019 15:36:41 GMT -5
How is a team that was set up for a run of 3 to 5 years as a legit contender with potential for longer turning into ::shrug emoji guy:: in 10 months not a disappointment? Again, how is every asset from the coach on down having a down year and/or leaving not a disappointment? Can they fix it, sure, but the path is much harder when you lose your best two players and have less juice in FA or trades than 2 years ago.
I'm actually kinda fine with high-upside kids getting play and a 3-7 seed cap near term. I just wonder the direction given the current picks aren't great, they probably can't combine picks into a top 5 slot, and the $23M/yr free agent market is second worst to "max to a guy who doesn't deserve it"
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2019 15:52:56 GMT -5
That's a shame because last year's run might have been the best Celtics Basketball of my life. Like 2008 was great, but it was expected. Last year was just pure joy and even losing didn't hurt like 2010 because I had zero expectations. You can do whatever you want, but your expectations are way too high my friend. Just remember the early years when I started watching Celtics Basketball. We'd sneak into the playoffs under .500, get killed and litterally had no future. The Rick Pitino years, the M L Carr years, like OMG the last eight years have been rather good. It's the same expectations I hold for myself and how I was raised and how I get stuff done. I live a very high octane life. I can enjoy watching young kids develop like right now, but after seeing what just got ripped apart, it makes it kind of eye rolling. That you need to be the best in the world at everything or you get zero enjoyment from it? |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 15:56:37 GMT -5
That's the problem though. You're asking us to choose between 1 of 2 extremes. There are a LOT of feelings in between thinking this is the way to go and this the end.
We're losing assets for 0 return and that stinks. But we can be disappointed and still feel like it won't take a huge amount of luck for things to be back on track. The feelings aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 16:25:29 GMT -5
It's the same expectations I hold for myself and how I was raised and how I get stuff done. I live a very high octane life. I can enjoy watching young kids develop like right now, but after seeing what just got ripped apart, it makes it kind of eye rolling. That you need to be the best in the world at everything or you get zero enjoyment from it? I do enjoy the ride regardless, but yeah that's the expectation. The cop out is that next year is a new year. It's just sports. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 16:30:43 GMT -5
Another thing to keep in mind, Keith Smith was estimating that 40% of the league is a free agent this year. There WILL be some value signings available.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 19, 2019 16:33:32 GMT -5
Not sure what I did but guys have a nice time. Look for another site with some feedback.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 16:45:03 GMT -5
Starting to scour for guys who I'd be interesting in using room on. BRobb (BSJ) listed some and I'm intrigued by Thomas Bryant. Had a great year and, although he's a restricted free agent, Washington only has Early Bird Rights on him. If I understand BRobb's post, that means that (given Washington's Cap Situation), they'd only be able to match up to the MLE (9M).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 16:54:37 GMT -5
That's the problem though. You're asking us to choose between 1 of 2 extremes. There are a LOT of feelings in between thinking this is the way to go and this the end. We're losing assets for 0 return and that stinks. But we can be disappointed and still feel like it won't take a huge amount of luck for things to be back on track. The feelings aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not asking anyone how to feel Tex. I never tell anyone else how to feel, unlike some people around here. I realize everyone is different and has their own opinions. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Jun 19, 2019 16:56:50 GMT -5
Sorry, but the EC isn't what it was two years ago when a bunch of overachievers got themselves one win away from getting crushed in the Finals. Yes, they'll still be a fun team to watch, but this team was supposed to be opening their window to a championship and it's officially closed now. No amount of "value signings" is going to put this team over the top before Tatum's rookie contract expires.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2019 17:16:59 GMT -5
That's the problem though. You're asking us to choose between 1 of 2 extremes. There are a LOT of feelings in between thinking this is the way to go and this the end. We're losing assets for 0 return and that stinks. But we can be disappointed and still feel like it won't take a huge amount of luck for things to be back on track. The feelings aren't mutually exclusive. The nba is weird... when we were losing Kyrie it was for no return but now that Horford is gone too we actually get a return if they use the cap space to sign a good player. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2019 17:17:40 GMT -5
Not sure what I did but guys have a nice time. Look for another site with some feedback. What am I missing? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 17:39:05 GMT -5
Sorry, but the EC isn't what it was two years ago when a bunch of overachievers got themselves one win away from getting crushed in the Finals. Yes, they'll still be a fun team to watch, but this team was supposed to be opening their window to a championship and it's officially closed now. No amount of "value signings" is going to put this team over the top before Tatum's rookie contract expires. I worry about signing Tatum and Brown long-term. Like no one wants to sign or stay in Boston nowadays. That's what crap REALLY starts going down hill. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 18:02:27 GMT -5
That's the problem though. You're asking us to choose between 1 of 2 extremes. There are a LOT of feelings in between thinking this is the way to go and this the end. We're losing assets for 0 return and that stinks. But we can be disappointed and still feel like it won't take a huge amount of luck for things to be back on track. The feelings aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not asking anyone how to feel Tex. I never tell anyone else how to feel, unlike some people around here. I realize everyone is different and has their own opinions. Yes. You're not directly asking it. That was probably NOT the line to focus on in my post (to get the point). |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5
Sorry, but the EC isn't what it was two years ago when a bunch of overachievers got themselves one win away from getting crushed in the Finals. Yes, they'll still be a fun team to watch, but this team was supposed to be opening their window to a championship and it's officially closed now. No amount of "value signings" is going to put this team over the top before Tatum's rookie contract expires. I worry about signing Tatum and Brown long-term. Like no one wants to sign or stay in Boston nowadays. That's what crap REALLY starts going down hill. Just pack it in then |
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