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Post by jchang on Jun 6, 2019 17:09:07 GMT -5
"4 Noah Song $406,600 (this one is especially cloudy)" how about Navy gray!
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Post by burrito on Jun 7, 2019 5:02:08 GMT -5
Is there a difference between Song’s situation and what the NE Patriots dealt with when they drafted Joe Cardona? Cardona was a long snapper drafted out of Navy and there were questions about his eligibility due to service commitments but Navy has allowed him to play. I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same with Song.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 7, 2019 7:01:15 GMT -5
I believe in the Day 2 thread there is mention of how the rules changed (back?) since Cardona.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 7, 2019 7:59:46 GMT -5
I read 1 story on Noah Song where he was too tall now for his flight school and if that is true, how much that could play into him wanting to work something out and in the USN allowing him out period.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 7, 2019 8:16:38 GMT -5
I read 1 story on Noah Song where he was too tall now for his flight school and if that is true, how much that could play into him wanting to work something out and in the USN allowing him out period. That'd have to make him at least 6'6", right? Interesting.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 7, 2019 8:29:49 GMT -5
The story was that his sitting height was too tall to be a jet pilot. So he will be focusing on helicopters I think.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2019 8:33:13 GMT -5
Hopefully he can focus on pitching instead
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 7, 2019 9:15:38 GMT -5
It’s funny the Patriots just got there rings yesterday there awesome. So they also congratulated Joe Cardona he was promoted in the Navy. To Lieutenant
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 7, 2019 10:13:31 GMT -5
The story was that his sitting height was too tall to be a jet pilot. So he will be focusing on helicopters I think. Looked quickly and now cannot find the article. think may have been a navy Times one off hand day of the draft and yes.. Believe it may have mentioned fighter pilot now also now that you say that.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 7, 2019 10:31:21 GMT -5
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Post by alnipper on Jun 7, 2019 11:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 7, 2019 15:53:45 GMT -5
The story was that his sitting height was too tall to be a jet pilot. So he will be focusing on helicopters I think. Unless things have changed, the two year commitment restarts when he graduates flight school, helicopter or fixed wing.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 7, 2019 21:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 7, 2019 22:35:55 GMT -5
Again, unless things have changed (which would make no sense from a military standpoint), the 2 year commitment starts after he graduates flight school. It costs a few million to train a pilot. If his service time starts in November, that would mean losing 3 full seasons not 2. It would also give him an alternative career since military rotor flight time is accepted as flight time for seniority in the aviation industry. I was once accepted to flight school (didn't go) and that was the case then. It was a long time ago but there's really not much justification for training a pilot then having him leave after a year. I believe flight school changes the entire equation. ADD: If fixed wing flight school was even possible, he has at least 15/20 vision and scored at least 125 on the AFQT. This isn't your typical military school graduate. Much more impressive.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 7, 2019 23:09:57 GMT -5
Again, unless things have changed (which would make no sense from a military standpoint), the 2 year commitment starts after he graduates flight school. It costs a few million to train a pilot. If his service time starts in November, that would mean losing 3 full seasons not 2. It would also give him an alternative career since military rotor flight time is accepted as flight time for seniority in the aviation industry. I was once accepted to flight school (didn't go) and that was the case then. It was a long time ago but there's really not much justification for training a pilot then having him leave after a year. I believe flight school changes the entire equation. ADD: If fixed wing flight school was even possible, he has at least 15/20 vision and scored at least 125 on the AFQT. This isn't your typical military school graduate. Much more impressive. I contemplated OCS before enlisting 40y ago in the USN. The cost (service time owed) was 2 for 1. 2yrs service for every year of school and that was not at Annapolis. Have been paying fairly close attention to all of this and it seems lax for all the Navy has spent on this and other athletes really, not that think they should have so much control.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 7, 2019 23:50:04 GMT -5
Again, unless things have changed (which would make no sense from a military standpoint), the 2 year commitment starts after he graduates flight school. It costs a few million to train a pilot. If his service time starts in November, that would mean losing 3 full seasons not 2. It would also give him an alternative career since military rotor flight time is accepted as flight time for seniority in the aviation industry. I was once accepted to flight school (didn't go) and that was the case then. It was a long time ago but there's really not much justification for training a pilot then having him leave after a year. I believe flight school changes the entire equation. ADD: If fixed wing flight school was even possible, he has at least 15/20 vision and scored at least 125 on the AFQT. This isn't your typical military school graduate. Much more impressive. I contemplated OCS before enlisting 40y ago in the USN. The cost (service time owed) was 2 for 1. 2yrs service for every year of school and that was not at Annapolis. Have been paying fairly close attention to all of this and it seems lax for all the Navy has spent on this and other athletes really, not that think they should have so much control. For me, I was drafted at 18 which I was OK with because I had been a hunter/badboy most of my life. During basic training I scored high enough on the AFQT that they gave me a flight physical. I qualified for fixed wing flight school. As an 18 year old, a career as a fighter pilot sounded much more appealing than a career as a machinist which is where I was likely headed (my dad was a machinist and I had taken several machine shop trade courses and was working as a machinist when drafted). I received orders for fixed wing flight school but was given two paths I could take. Basic training, advanced training, flight school or Basic, Advanced, OCS, flight school. I chose the later because I was thinking career and if I skipped OCS, I would have been a warrant officer not an officer. Path 1 would have required 2 years starting when I graduated flight school. Path 2 required 2 years when I graduated OCS then the 2 year clock restarted when I graduated flight school but by then I would have been close to being a 1st lieutenant. I chose the later. I didn't complete because when I had two weeks left at OCS, my flight school got cancelled because they were cutting back military spending. My options became 2 years licking generals boots at Ft. Sill OKLA while I waited for War College which would have meant a 4 year commitment, as a lieutenant or resigning from OCS and going to Vietnam for one year as a sergeant. I again chose the later. I seriously believe flight school changes the whole equation and will likely slant the scales in the Sox favor for signing bonuses. If I'm Song, I'm going into it thinking the likeliest career path is flying.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 8, 2019 9:35:05 GMT -5
Just my two cents, but if our military is going to spend Millions training a pilot, after paying four years of College I want to see a lot more than a two year commitment. No wonder we have a pilot shortage.
As for Song, man talk about living life if he becomes a fighter pilot, then professional baseball player.
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Post by shlynch on Jun 8, 2019 11:52:31 GMT -5
For the record, he’s not training to be a fighter jet pilot. He’s training to be a flight officer in a helicopter, not the pilot.
From The NY Times article:
“His Navy future might now be just as muddy as his baseball options. Exposed to a variety of fields at Navy, Song became enamored with aviation, wanting to pilot helicopters on rescue missions. He was accepted into the exclusive Navy pilot program, but last month he was suddenly dropped from it: at 6-4, he was belatedly informed, he was simply too tall. He was transferred into a flight officer program, which will allow him to serve in helicopters, but not with his hands at the controls.
““It was a rough day when I got the news,” said Song, whose height has not changed since he arrived at Navy. “If they had denied me in the first place it might have made it a little easier. They led me on a little bit and I got really excited for it, but everything happens for a reason.””
“That reason may turn out to be baseball. If Song had trained to become a pilot, the Navy would have required a longer service commitment, eight years. As it stands, Song most likely will spend this summer playing minor league baseball before heading to flight officer training.”
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jun 8, 2019 16:52:42 GMT -5
Just my two cents, but if our military is going to spend Millions training a pilot, after paying four years of College I want to see a lot more than a two year commitment. No wonder we have a pilot shortage. As for Song, man talk about living life if he becomes a fighter pilot, then professional baseball player. For the record, you owe six to eight years AFTER flight school, which can take years to complete depending on the type of platform you’re flying.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 8, 2019 17:18:52 GMT -5
Ted Williams was a fighter pilot during the two tours he did?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 8, 2019 17:28:54 GMT -5
Ted Williams was a fighter pilot during the two tours he did? Yes, he flew a P-51 as remember during both WW2 and Korea, but a different time and era with much sinpler aircraft with an old allison engine if not mistaken, piston driven and no sophisticated electronics and flown by the seat of his pants. Trained at a short time and rushed into service in as quick of time as possible. There was an old training school for B-26 marauder pilot's here at MacDill AFB for example during WW2 for pilot training. They would take off over the Bay, where the airfield was pointed. The old saying was "1 a day in the bay" Pilots were rushed through training at such a fast pace and this was after a quickie course flying the old T-6 Texan fixed wing trainer. Washed out pilots didn't get walks. They became navigators, etc. Always a use in the old Army Air Corp.. My father was one on an old B-24 Liberator.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 8, 2019 17:59:27 GMT -5
A little discussion here is ok, but let's move on from the discussion focused on naval flight school and military commitments. People are clicking here to get news an thoughts on signings.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 8, 2019 19:45:39 GMT -5
I think it's great you guys are sharing your own experiences with flight school, in relation to Song. I take it you guys had 3 plus pitches as well and pumped in a 92+ mph heater?
Otherwise there's very little correlation... We all know these pro athletes get treated differently in every single respect, even military service. Each situation is different.
By the way, I thank each one of you for your service. I co-piloted a tank for three years, that's the only way "pilot" could ever be related to me.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 8, 2019 21:18:42 GMT -5
Ted Williams was a fighter pilot during the two tours he did? Yes, he flew a P-51 as remember during both WW2 and Korea, but a different time and era with much sinpler aircraft with an old allison engine if not mistaken, piston driven and no sophisticated electronics and flown by the seat of his pants. Trained at a short time and rushed into service in as quick of time as possible. There was an old training school for B-26 marauder pilot's here at MacDill AFB for example during WW2 for pilot training. They would take off over the Bay, where the airfield was pointed. The old saying was "1 a day in the bay" Pilots were rushed through training at such a fast pace and this was after a quickie course flying the old T-6 Texan fixed wing trainer. Washed out pilots didn't get walks. They became navigators, etc. Always a use in the old Army Air Corp.. My father was one on an old B-24 Liberator. Wasn’t Wiiliams’ height a factor in one of his crash landings, where he was afraid to eject because he thought he would break both legs?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2019 21:53:53 GMT -5
Yes, he flew a P-51 as remember during both WW2 and Korea, but a different time and era with much sinpler aircraft with an old allison engine if not mistaken, piston driven and no sophisticated electronics and flown by the seat of his pants. Trained at a short time and rushed into service in as quick of time as possible. There was an old training school for B-26 marauder pilot's here at MacDill AFB for example during WW2 for pilot training. They would take off over the Bay, where the airfield was pointed. The old saying was "1 a day in the bay" Pilots were rushed through training at such a fast pace and this was after a quickie course flying the old T-6 Texan fixed wing trainer. Washed out pilots didn't get walks. They became navigators, etc. Always a use in the old Army Air Corp.. My father was one on an old B-24 Liberator. Wasn’t Wiiliams’ height a factor in one of his crash landings, where he was afraid to eject because he thought he would break both legs? Yes, you're correct. Tying things back to the draft, while on one hand you always hope a kid can get as much as he can, I do hope that the slot money is such that it allows the Sox more room to make more signings. I don't know why but I'm interested in their 16th round pick - can't think of his name. He's an athletic corner OF/1b. And that Paulino kid is interesting too that is signing. Same with D'Allessandro. Hopefully the Sox can convince Sebastian Keane to sign for something reasonable. Seems like they drafted a lot of 1b types this draft. That Joe Davis kid seems interesting, too. I think a key guy in this draft is Groshans. The Sox need a catcher of the future for down the road and they really don't have anybody in the system and anytime I think that, I can't help but remember Daniel Flores, with a lot of sadness.
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